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US Military Forces Refusing Orders from Barack Obama and Taking it to Court (Video)
2setufree / YouTube ^ | December 25, | 2setufree

Posted on 12/26/2009 8:02:56 PM PST by USALiberty

US Military Forces are refusing to take Orders from Obama unless he can prove he is a US Citizen. They plan Court action as theie Lawyers are taking Briefs as we speak.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


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To: jarofants
That takes to American citizens, not an American and a British subject.

Well I take to Americans too, but I think you (mistakenly) are referring to, two.

101 posted on 12/27/2009 2:53:52 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: jarofants; All

I am thinking its time for the trolls to realize that should they wish to have any hope of defeating the upcoming Obamacare obligations by forming an alliance with “birthers” is a first step in the right direction of invalidating this usurper.

I know its early in the morning, the coffee hasn’t quite woke you up yet but unless you yourselves no longer claim to be patriotic Americans its time for ALL the tribes to gather for a pow-wow.

Obama is our common current problem, we can and should work in a concerted manner, the left and right need not have to sit down and sing kumbaya but right now there is an important need that we must not become divided..

For if we do....we fall.

Obama wants a divided and fractured America, and who is willing to help him?

Who is willing to stand up and question him? Is not Obama just another passenger that is acting strange sitting next to yo?

Do you just sit there and wait...for the pop...the flash..

Or do you arise to the occasion?

Its your choice fellow Americans.


102 posted on 12/27/2009 3:00:27 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: UCANSEE2

I remember the Martian Chronicles! :-) But I only saw the mini series.


103 posted on 12/27/2009 5:14:46 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MilspecRob
I would love to see Sarah Palin’s 4 or was it 5 college transcripts.

If the left had thought they were damning, you'd have seen them.

104 posted on 12/27/2009 5:20:51 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Patrick1
"There is simply no evidence or statements that contradict that Obama was born in Hawaii."

You're not really being serious here, are you? How about the Kenyan Birth Certificate that Lucas Smith obtained in February 2009 from the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya?

The Kenyan BC bears the signatures of both the attending doctor and the supervisor of obstetrics at the time of birth and also that of the chief hospital administrator, who certified the copy of the BC obtained by Mr. Smith. Although not officially authenticated by the hospital, probably because of serious threats by Kenyan security officials, this document has never been effectively challenged.

An legal affidavit attesting to the document's authenticity was signed by Mr. Smith and was submitted to Federal Judge David O. Carter in September 2009 in support of a court case.

Both the Kenyan BC and Mr. Smith's affidavit can be viewed at the following link.

http://americangrandjury.org/lucas-smith-affidavit-now-filed-with-the-us-district-court-obama-kenyan-bc

105 posted on 12/27/2009 5:52:23 AM PST by WhizCodger (Katie - Bar the door, then text my reply of "F U" to the NWO!)
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To: tired_old_conservative

When I signed up for the Navy, I had to produce educational records, birth certificates and many other documents. All of which are under lock and key. Your right it is basic privacy rights, if he doesnt want to show us these, then HE CANT BE THE PRESIDENT. I would not have been able to get a job in the military or really anywhere else without allowing my potential employer to see my records.


106 posted on 12/27/2009 6:20:12 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Patrick1
A lot of military and ex military are on this forum. We all had very extensive background checks done. I had to have a Secret Clearance since I was working on aircraft that were loaded with Nukes and might have been a security risk.

“Zero the Magnificent” has control of the Nuclear Football, has the ability to start a Nuclear war and will not release his Birth Certificate. All his records are sealed. Do you see anything wrong with that?.

107 posted on 12/27/2009 6:27:37 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: WhizCodger

Here’s a crazy idea:

0 will not prove to us who he is because there are no consequences.

Americans think its undignified to attack religion, but for muslims, the question is central. To them, if he’s muslim, great; if he’s one of “The Book,” he’s tolerable. But if he’s a pagan, he’s beneath contempt and worthy of death.

A Dan Rather style rumor that he follows Yoruba (sp?) or Santamaria or one of he pagan variants from Haiti, etc, could have serious consequences to his standing with the ROP. (These originated in Africa and his mom probably studied them. Also, scratching around Wright’s church could turn up suitably maleable info.)

A Carefully crafted and circulated rumor —complete with particulars of time & place— that 0 was a pagan, he might be forced to crack open the locked vault of his past.

The launch would need to be carefully orchestrated and force-fed down the info highway. Dims know how to do this sort of thing, but there is enough expertise here. (Think of that woman in Alaska and her Sarah libel.)

Imagine the blog responses: “there’s a rumor, and it’s gone viral, a despicable charge that...”, and then another “ to say that such a rumor is despicable impugns millions of practitioners...,” etc. Just one press conference question, “Mr. Gibbs, I’m sure you’ve heard...” could do it.

Yeah, my imagination sometimes gets the better of me. But..


108 posted on 12/27/2009 6:43:36 AM PST by tsomer
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To: tired_old_conservative
Not in this country. If he was born in Hawaii, he was born a United States citizen, the same as his mother and grandparents.

Big "If" -- that you have no evidence of, right??? and only a "citizen" at that, still not qualified to be President.

His father gave him a dual citizenship, but the law is clear on this point—he’s still an American.

But not a "natural-born citizen" according to the Constitution, the Naturalization Act of 1790, and Senate Resolution 511 in 2008, etc, et al.

One can then always try to build up the distinction between citizen and NBC,

One doesn't have to -- the Constitution, our history, and Senate Resolution 511 for starters have already done that for us.

Try educating yourself sometime.

109 posted on 12/27/2009 7:45:46 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Patrick1

And how do you know this ?

The supposed ‘copies’ of the newspaper announcements (originals never produced, by the way) mean nothing. The source of these ‘supposed’ announcements was never verified. Those that claim that all the babies born had their records from the Health Dept sent to the local papers are dead wrong, because the Nordyke twins (who went to school with BO) and were born the day after him, NEVER had any newspaper announcements ANYWHERE in the State of HI! And their mother has posted their FULL, LONG FORM birth certs on-line ! Now if this “transparent” president would do the same as an every citizen like Mrs. Nordyke, we could rest at ease.....for all we know, he could’ve been born in Canada, as his Mom attended college in WA 2 weeks after his birth. College transcripts copies are available supporting that.

The most incriminating part of the puzzle is that the State of HI “NEVER” confirmed any release of the ‘short form’ cert that many people claim serves to verify his birthplace. We do not know where that document came from, but it is unsettling that ALL of the little Hawaiian pawns
are totally silent as to its origin !

Without sounding too reprimanding, please be careful making unsupportable statements like this in the future.


110 posted on 12/27/2009 8:17:41 AM PST by rocco55
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To: seemoAR
“Zero the Magnificent” has control of the Nuclear Football, has the ability to start a Nuclear war and will not release his Birth Certificate. All his records are sealed. Do you see anything wrong with that?.

You don't think the FBI conducted a thorough background check on Obama during the primaries? You don't think Obama's primary opponents had investigators check him out? You don't think a thorough background check was done on Obama when he ran for the Senate?

111 posted on 12/27/2009 8:40:15 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
You don't think the FBI conducted a thorough background check on Obama during the primaries?

Is that the same FBI that that has been compromised for years and gave a pass to the Fort Hood murderer???

112 posted on 12/27/2009 9:36:15 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Drew68

If you rely on these assumptions you are hopelessly naive.


113 posted on 12/27/2009 9:49:18 AM PST by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: reasonisfaith
If you rely on these assumptions you are hopelessly naive.

I realize it appears this way to those of you who have chosen to embrace with a religious fervor the most convoluted, improbable, absurd and silly conspiracy theories.

114 posted on 12/27/2009 10:57:12 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

No I don’t. When I enlisted in 1963, I was presented with a rather long list of organizations that were anti American. I had to check off every one I had ever had any dealings with. The Kenyan would never have passed because of his association with his buddies.


115 posted on 12/27/2009 11:13:16 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: seemoAR
The Kenyan would never have passed because of his association with his buddies.

You don't have to "pass" a background check to be president. Doesn't mean background checks weren't conducted at various times throughout Obama's political career. And you can be sure that any information that would have compromised the democrats' chance of winning the election would have been passed along. Obama's associations were well known on election day and 69 million Americans voted for him anyways.

But, as I posted above, I don't expect birthers to accept lucid, rational explanations. For birthers, the fact that no damning material was released on Obama during his candidacy is just part of greater conspiracies and cover-ups.

116 posted on 12/27/2009 11:26:40 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
I guess that explains why The Toon was allowed to be prez. Who would have reported any bad thing about the Black Messiah? Do you think the national media would have reported it if he was known to be a communist?
117 posted on 12/27/2009 11:44:49 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: Drew68

So what you’re saying is that you’re relying on the old, clichéd, irrational and discredited theory that conspiracies don’t exist?

And more absurd still, that conspiracies cannot be perpetrated by a radical leftist group which was cultivated in the Chicago political environment.


118 posted on 12/27/2009 11:46:54 AM PST by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: seemoAR
Do you think the national media would have reported it if he was known to be a communist?

Obama's leftist ideology and associates were well-known on election day.

119 posted on 12/27/2009 11:49:56 AM PST by Drew68
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To: castlegreyskull
“When I signed up for the Navy, I had to produce educational records, birth certificates and many other documents. All of which are under lock and key. Your right it is basic privacy rights, if he doesn't want to show us these, then HE CANT BE THE PRESIDENT. I would not have been able to get a job in the military or really anywhere else without allowing my potential employer to see my records.”

You produced all that because the Navy had rules in place requiring it. There is no rule in place requiring Obama to produce a birth certificate of a particular form that meets yours, mine, or anyone else's satisfaction. He met the rules that exist for certification to the satisfaction of everyone who put him on the ballot and accepted his election, including Dick Cheney.

120 posted on 12/27/2009 11:51:43 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Uncle Chip
“One doesn't have to — the Constitution, our history, and Senate Resolution 511 for starters have already done that for us.”

The Constitution doesn't say what you want it to say. It doesn't define criteria for MBC at all. Our history certainly doesn't say in any unanimous voice what you want it to say, as evidence by general consensus to the contrary and some clear legal principles by which Obama would be a NBC, And if you can't understand Senate resolutions and the history of that one by now, I can't help you.

Yes, yes, two citizen parents. Bellow it, shriek it, stamp your foot and call names all you want, but it isn't going anywhere. It simply reveals things about yourself.

121 posted on 12/27/2009 11:56:36 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: USALiberty
More silly crap. There is no Santa Claus.
122 posted on 12/27/2009 11:57:39 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: Uncle Chip
That's right. Anytime common sense and reality intrude, it's all corrupt and incompetent. Only birthers know the real truth. And heaven forbid anyone should consider them conspiracy nuts.
123 posted on 12/27/2009 11:59:41 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Drew68

“I realize it appears this way to those of you who have chosen to embrace with a religious fervor the most convoluted, improbable, absurd and silly conspiracy theories.”

Good point. Wish I had said it.


124 posted on 12/27/2009 12:01:00 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Drew68
Did the media report that?
125 posted on 12/27/2009 12:07:13 PM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
Yes, yes, two citizen parents. Bellow it, shriek it, stamp your foot and call names all you want, but it isn't going anywhere.

So then, Since 2009-10-03, you know the facts but you just choose to ignore them, and propagate your lies and half-truths instead. That tells us all we need to know about your pretentiousness here and propensity for prefabrications. How's the weather there in Obamaland???

126 posted on 12/27/2009 1:13:28 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, I’m sorry, but the delusions dancing around in your head don’t actually constitute facts, no matter how much you want to believe them.


127 posted on 12/27/2009 1:19:32 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Riiiigggghhhhhtttttt, Dr Freud [Since 2009-10-03]


128 posted on 12/27/2009 1:25:41 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Patrick1
My first assumption when you put down the Hawaiin RINO Governor "Republican Governor of Hawaii" was that you were troll, however, I checked your born on date and you have been around a long time.

I guess you just have an opposing view. Personally, I wish he would release all his records and get this behind us. If not, then it is a good subject to use to continue to try to weaken his activities and to beat the Democrat party up so that truly "transparent" conservatives can take over congress next year.

129 posted on 12/27/2009 2:00:17 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: tired_old_conservative

Be intellectually honest, why doesn’t he just tell Hawaii to release his records? Why won’t he allow his college transcripts and other information to be released?


130 posted on 12/27/2009 2:02:41 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: Patrick1
If his grandmother filled out the certificate of live birth for young Barry - even though he was born somewhere outside of the United states - then wouldn't the newspaper birth announcements automatically get triggered?

The completely legally worthless newspaper announcements are a red herring.


131 posted on 12/27/2009 2:08:05 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Riiiigggghhhhhtttttt, Dr Freud [Since 2009-10-03]

When you can't win on logic and merit, go after someone's sign-on date.

132 posted on 12/27/2009 2:09:09 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Electric Graffiti
These idiots think that running for President or Vice-President of the United States is a right, which it most certainly is not. The natural born citizen requirement was put in the Constitution for national security reasons.

Excellent point, and it bears repeating.

133 posted on 12/27/2009 2:11:46 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Drew68
logic and merit

Hmmm -- two things you Obamabots know nothing about.

134 posted on 12/27/2009 2:19:15 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: USALiberty

Treason. We are at war. Al Queada dances in the street with the news of these traitors!!!!!

I should not judge. I’m certain that these “soldiers” are serious about the sacrifice that they are willing to make and they are refusing to cash their pay checks! If they refuse to serve per the civilian certified government, they will certainly refuse to recognize the authenticity of the military and refuse their wages!!!!


135 posted on 12/27/2009 2:45:11 PM PST by awake-n-angry
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To: tired_old_conservative
You work hard to sell yourself as objective and logical, but I think you have intentionally offered a misleading statement here, that has so far slipped under the radar.

I will agree that there is no compelling evidence that Obama was born in Kenya.

I will agree that there is no simple, easy, readily available consensus that as a Dual-born, Obama is not NBC.

I disagree that we can call a case “a non-starter” that seeks a ruling from the courts as to whether a dual-born citizen like Obama can actually be eligible. I think that the courts should be pushed and should be willing to render an answer on whether NBC should be interpreted as reflecting Vattel’s sentiment or not, but I will chalk that disagreement up to a matter of opinion.

I will agree that the executive order for record concealment has probably been misunderstood by some birthers.

I will agree that there’s no law on the books requiring a Candidate or presumed President to hand over a Birth Certificate or other documents to prove he is a citizen.

I will agree that the HI Governor never “sealed up the certificate in a special vault.”

But here’s why I tend to think of you guys as trolls. How do you come up with this?:

It conforms to what Hawaii issues and Hawaii doesn't dispute it, which they are legally allowed and obligated to do if someone offers fraudulent state documents.
Tired_old_conservative gets sloppy in post 89
REALLY?! If I went to get a driver’s license, and when asked for a Birth Certificate, I said, “You can view it online. I have it as a hi-res .jpg saved from photoshop at this URL: www . . . “. You would expect that my online image should be regarded as conforming and legally sufficient?

REALLY?! Do you think Hawaii Dept of Health would describe themselves as legally obligated to step in and say, “No, that image on the web does not accurately reflect the records we have on file?” How does that fit with their constant insistence that they cannot legally comment on whether or not the online short-form COLB is accurate? Do you suppose it’s their policy to withhold verification on documents that are accurate, while at the same time, being obligated to declare any frauds to be frauds? “Well, we can’t legally verify it as accurate, but if it were inaccurate we’d tell you instantly.” That’s almost as dumb as Patrickl saying, “The certificate of birth that is supported by the current Republican Governor of Hawaii.” What?

Ok, I’m sure you’ve given good logical explanations to this that I’ve heretofore missed, so just give me a link if that’s all you have time for. If you don’t have a good answer for this sloppiness, retract your statement or else further solidify your place on the troll list.

The maneuvering of the Hawaii DOH makes me think more than anything else that there is something troubling about Obama’s birth records, and I don’t think they are applying their own laws fairly on this matter. Given the tremendous strain they’ve been under in terms of records requests and the need to make strange, cryptic public statements about Obama’s records, and the need to rework their web site and terminology to deal with Obama questions, I simply can’t see how we should conclude that there is nothing to hide. If what he has on his long-form COLB is exactly what is reflected by his short-form COLB, why in heaven’s name has HDOH not found a way to say so. Even if it is a stretch of their rules (which I think it isn’t) to provide verification, do they fear retribution for merely verifying that what Obama says as truth. Who do they think will sue them, or what court will penalize their officers? Given the full story about the DOH machinations, I think the most reasonable, logical conclusion is that there is something to hide.

Do you really think that HDOH is totally playing this one straight?

136 posted on 12/27/2009 3:12:33 PM PST by ecinkc (Socialism: America's Darkest Hour)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I think it makes the conservative movement look silly, almost DU like.


137 posted on 12/27/2009 3:24:49 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: Patrick1

>The two birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers at the time don’t count I guess?

They wouldn’t be valid if he tried to enlist in the Army; are you suggesting that the position of Commander in Chief should have less-stringent qualifications than that of enlisting?


138 posted on 12/27/2009 3:27:54 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
Unfortunately, this crowd is dug in on this issue and will never concede an ounce of sanity. This issue satisfies an emotional need for some, not an intellectual or patriotic one.

Divide and conquer. Taking a page from the leftists playbook. Push and push until something gives, just like they have done.

I applaud the soldiers. Keep up the pressure!

139 posted on 12/27/2009 3:29:19 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Aracelis
Taking a page from the leftists playbook. Push and push until something gives, just like they have done.

I haven't read all the replies and I'm not going to. Your opinion on the validity of 0's citizenship (or mine or anyone else's) is irrelevant.

The "birther" thing is classic Saul Alinsky. *If* 0 is in fact not a citizen, great. *If* in fact he is, well, they've been harassed, harried, and forced to confront, more or less, one more issue, which will take time from their project of destroying this country.

Old Saul is probably spinning in his grave that his tactics are being used (if even inadvertently) by conservatives. Screw him.

140 posted on 12/27/2009 3:43:30 PM PST by Felis_irritable (Fool me once, I'll punch you in the...er, something or other...)
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To: Patrick1

You have that right to your opinion. I respectfully disagree. This subject shows more clearly than almost anything that Obama is a liar and is hiding his past and probably other things.


141 posted on 12/27/2009 3:53:09 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: Drew68

>>“Zero the Magnificent” has control of the Nuclear Football, has the ability to start a Nuclear war and will not release his Birth Certificate. All his records are sealed. Do you see anything wrong with that?.

I certainly do.

>You don’t think the FBI conducted a thorough background check on Obama during the primaries?

The FBI could have had their hands tied behind their backs, politically speaking. I know for a fact that politicians like Senators and Congressmen can, and do, get special treatment [front-of-line & expedited-processing] for things like passports. I would be utterly unsurprised to find out that minimal ID checks are also required in such situations.

Also, take a look at Geithenr, Rangle, Frank, and Dodd’s taxes (or rather lack thereof). That is blatant lawbreaking AND, as we’ve seen, nobody [justice department-wise] seems to care. I’m convinced that most, if not all, the rules don’t apply to our “benevolent” overlords.

>You don’t think Obama’s primary opponents had investigators check him out?

I honestly don’t know if they did or not. You have to remember that his “opponents” nominated John McCain... so it sure doesn’t seem like they were serious about actually trying to win.

That McCain had trouble with the Natural Born Citizen clause too. (It could be argued that he was ineligible as well.) Maybe giving the people only a choice of two candidates who fail the Natural Born Citizen clause was merely/actually an end-run to get a precedent for violating it.

>You don’t think a thorough background check was done on Obama when he ran for the Senate?

Like I’ve illustrated (and some speculation, yes) I’m fairly certain that the mentality of the political in-crowd of laws being for other people IS a main theme in Obama’s life.


142 posted on 12/27/2009 4:10:24 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Patrick1
No they don't count.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

143 posted on 12/27/2009 5:40:35 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: SunkenCiv; Quix; onyx; little jeremiah

*ping*


144 posted on 12/27/2009 5:46:48 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Felis_irritable
Old Saul is probably spinning in his grave that his tactics are being used (if even inadvertently) by conservatives. Screw him.

Exactly! :)

145 posted on 12/27/2009 7:13:06 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: hennie pennie

THX THX.


146 posted on 12/27/2009 7:46:45 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ecinkc
“REALLY?! Do you think Hawaii Dept of Health would describe themselves as legally obligated to step in and say, “No, that image on the web does not accurately reflect the records we have on file?” How does that fit with their constant insistence that they cannot legally comment on whether or not the online short-form COLB is accurate? Do you suppose it’s their policy to withhold verification on documents that are accurate, while at the same time, being obligated to declare any frauds to be frauds? “Well, we can’t legally verify it as accurate, but if it were inaccurate we’d tell you instantly.” That’s almost as dumb as Patrickl saying, “The certificate of birth that is supported by the current Republican Governor of Hawaii.” What?

Ok, I’m sure you’ve given good logical explanations to this that I’ve heretofore missed, so just give me a link if that’s all you have time for. If you don’t have a good answer for this sloppiness, retract your statement or else further solidify your place on the troll list.”

So, to the question: “Do you think Hawaii Dept of Health would describe themselves as legally obligated to step in and say, “No, that image on the web does not accurately reflect the records we have on file?”

Yes. I do. It's really that simple. If (1) Hawaii has no record of a major Presidential candidate being born in Hawaii, and (2) his campaign is passing off an online image that resembles an official Hawaiian document and that purports to state he was born there...then yes. They are under absolutely no privacy regulation or other legal obligation to support the scam. They don't have to collude in illegal behavior and would not do so.

In this context, Hawaii representatives specifically said they have verified they have the original records. The only reasonable interpretation of that is that said records say he was born in Hawaii. At that point, it doesn't even matter if his grandmother filed it. It's done. The official records of a state admitted to the Union say he was born there. That's presumptive, requires real evidence to dispute, not speculation and laughable Kenyan birth certificates.

My position really is that simple. And it's not just Hawaii. Both John McCain and Hillary Clinton had very real incentive to demonstrate Obama was not born in the US if there was any truth to it. Neither went there.

I think anyone who talks about stunning backroom collusion, real live states with damning evidence being intimidated by a campaign, etc., etc. has been watching too many movies. The stories for why he wasn't born in Hawaii are all convoluted and hidden and have any number of interlinking trip wires that fall apart on examination (you know, when you watch one of those movies and suddenly go “hey, wait a minute...). The story for his being born in Hawaii is simple and straight forward. It's staring you right in the face. How the math shakes out seems pretty obvious to me.

It's that old adage: When you stare too long at the shadows, you start seeing things that simply aren't there.

And, no offense, but I honestly could care less about the troll list. If I'm on it, it's imaginary, too.

147 posted on 12/27/2009 7:49:41 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Felis_irritable
“The “birther” thing is classic Saul Alinsky. *If* 0 is in fact not a citizen, great. *If* in fact he is, well, they've been harassed, harried, and forced to confront, more or less, one more issue, which will take time from their project of destroying this country”

It's taking no time from anything. Just makes conservatives look silly.

Old Saul would be getting a good laugh out of it if he were still around.

148 posted on 12/27/2009 7:52:24 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Aracelis

Core principle of Sumo Wrestling: If your opponent is advancing press forward; and if your opponent is retreating press forward.

The Birther movement has the mass, we just need to keep thrusting. We will knock him out of the ring, no matter how many George Soroses support him.


149 posted on 12/27/2009 7:53:53 PM PST by bvw
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To: USALiberty
Fulfilling their oath to protect and defend against enemies both foreign and domestic.
150 posted on 12/27/2009 8:02:22 PM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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