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US Military Forces Refusing Orders from Barack Obama and Taking it to Court (Video)
2setufree / YouTube ^ | December 25, | 2setufree

Posted on 12/26/2009 8:02:56 PM PST by USALiberty

US Military Forces are refusing to take Orders from Obama unless he can prove he is a US Citizen. They plan Court action as theie Lawyers are taking Briefs as we speak.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


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To: Patrick1

That’s funny, been hearing that “Let’s beat him on the issues” and “Just wait until the elections” since mid summer of last year (2008).

How’s that working?


201 posted on 12/30/2009 1:33:04 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Patrick1; LucyT; Candor7; All
This battle is lost. He was born in Hawaii and that is the way it is. We can fight this socialist in better ways.

Walk...Chew gum???

This tired line of "he was born in Hawaii and that's the way it is" IS a bunch of BS and you know it. However, I'll pretend to agree with you and add "HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" PLUS HE'S LINCOLN HIMSELF! How is that?

Now, he has to be dumped ASAP for the good of our beloved country. We're not dealing with "just" a lousy, "Socialist" president; we're dealing with a destructive, Communist ghost. If you already don't know that, you're not a clear-thinking Conservative.

You say: The [BC] battle is lost. Fine, where are all the other records that EVERY American should have or can obtain? Specifically, where are his "brilliant" school records? Nobody knows who this POS is. PERIOD.

I don't blame the military of not taking orders from a ghost, orders and ROE that might cost them their lives. Orders from a mole that worries about the terrorists more than his "fellow" Americans, the ones he swore to protect, together with that 4-page inconvenient document called the Constitution.

Ghoster

202 posted on 12/30/2009 2:08:13 PM PST by melancholy (Stop USA change, destroy the 0b0z0ne layer!)
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To: LucyT; Brytani; Seizethecarp; malkee; STE=Q; rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; ...
Interesting comment indeed. What would be the possible scenario(s) in which his legal father was changed (back) to Sr? If Sr. subsequently adopted Jr. after-wards?

Meaning...since we know Sr. didn't adopt Jr. after Jr. was adopted by Soetoro...right, his current legal B.C. must list his father as Soetoro. Of course, that would mean his original B.C. (whatever it may show) was amended, and I believe Attorney Donofrio & Mrs Tickly had come to the conclusion that indeed, his BC was amended.

Therefore, what has been posted in cyber-space is in fact a forgery based on that issue alone.

203 posted on 12/30/2009 2:14:18 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: USALiberty

Do not equate the entire U.S. military with a few dimwits.


204 posted on 12/30/2009 2:17:10 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Brytani; LucyT; ml/nj; pissant; BP2; Candor7; patriot08; SunkenCiv; RobinMasters; george76; ...
Legally, Soetoro is his father.

His adoptive father Soetoro, though very possibly important as to his current citizenship status, has absolutely no relevance to his legal father at birth, nor to the information on his original long form BC. Although we don't know for sure, his legal father at birth was presumed to be the British (later Kenyan) citizen Barack Hussein Obama (Sr.). (In fact, an "official" Obama web site had admitted to Barack Sr.'s British citizenship at the time of Barack II's birth.) According to some legal opinions, BHO Jr. cannot be a natural born citizen if his father was not an American citizen at the time of his birth, which would appear to be the factual reality. So, pursuant to this line of argument, he would not qualify constitutionally for POTUS under such a circumstance.

205 posted on 12/30/2009 2:24:46 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: LucyT; MissTickly; SatinDoll; All
...an intentionally erased life of a fraudulent con man and it reeks of the complicity of offiecials within the Hawaii Dept. of Health & Dept. of Education.

You failed to mention the RINO governor of Hawaii, Ms. Lingle, with whom the proverbial "buck stops" in Hawaii state government.

206 posted on 12/30/2009 2:30:54 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: LucyT

Thanks Lucy; I do appreciate all your effort.


207 posted on 12/30/2009 3:51:09 PM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: rxsid
“Meaning...since we know Sr. didn't adopt Jr. after Jr. was adopted by Soetoro...right, his current legal B.C. must list his father as Soetoro.”

I try not to declare speculation to be fact without sufficient evidence and for me, I'm not there yet.

I agree that there is circumstantial evidence of adoption by Soetoro (the elementary school register in Indonesia, likely enrollment as a foreign Muslim student at Occidental) but what additional hard evidence is there for this alleged adoption? Parents lie on elementary school registrations all the time if it will gain advantages for their children!

It would obviously be convenient for Lolo to register Barry with the name Soetoro and to call Barry a citizen of Indonesia. Maybe Lolo adopted Barry in Indonesia (and good luck to all in getting documentation of that after Obama’s life record has been removed from the planet).

Was there even enough administrative time between the SADO-LOLO marriage and their departure for Indonesia for an adoption of Barry to have been completed?

Leo and Miss Tickly may have inferred (not proved) that there was an amendment of the vital record, but that could have been for multiple reasons, such as location of birth. not just adoption.

208 posted on 12/30/2009 4:03:03 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Oorang
You're welcome, Oorang, and thank you, too.

Hope you have a Happy New Year.

209 posted on 12/30/2009 4:05:46 PM PST by LucyT
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To: justiceseeker93; LucyT; BP2; STARWISE; Red Steel; pissant; hoosiermama; null and void; ...
"Who is Eligible to Apply for an Amended Certificate of Birth?

As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:

* A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and

    1. has become legally adopted, or
    2. has undergone a sex change operation, or
    3. a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
    4. previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.

* A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.

...

For a person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii:

* An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of the adoption decree or the certificate of adoption, and payment of fees."

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/newbirthcert.html

210 posted on 12/30/2009 4:08:37 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: LucyT

Thank you, LucyT!

... And a Happy New Year to you!

STE=Q


211 posted on 12/30/2009 4:34:37 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: rxsid

What is this?


212 posted on 12/30/2009 4:40:31 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Patrick1

You surrender easily. How do you know he was born in HI? Does not matter - his father is a British citizen.


213 posted on 12/30/2009 4:42:39 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: rxsid

Some may find this of interest:

Sun Yat Sen - Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. Although he was born in China.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23771322/Sun-Yat-Sen-Certificate-of-Hawaiian-Birth-Although-he-was-born-in-China

Description:

Although Sun Yat Sen was born November 12, 1866 in the village of Cuiheng in southern China, he was able to obtain a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. Said certificate was issued by the Territory of Hawaii on March 1904, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in the Hawaiian Islands by signing a affidavit declaring so, along with evidence from witnesses, and providing a photograph of himself.

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea as to the authenticity of this document, but only submit it for the forum’s perusal

STE=Q


214 posted on 12/30/2009 4:50:33 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: rxsid

Thank you ... I have a feeling the video
is old ... Lt. Easterling’s case was quite
awhile ago, and there’s nothing out there
that’s current that I find.


215 posted on 12/30/2009 4:55:48 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: Patrick1

What have you done about it?! I have cancelled TV because they enable the libs and steal your freedom because they back him. I am cutting off money to CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, NBC etc Fox is 20% owned by Saudis.

The money I save will go to donate to conservative Repubs. I also plan to be a poll watcher in 2010 and 2012. What are you doing??


216 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:44 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: tired_old_conservative

Try to study the issue before spouting off. He is not NBC and is not eligible. This is why they are covering it. You DU Dummy.


217 posted on 12/30/2009 5:00:07 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: cripplecreek; stockpirate; LucyT; pissant; traditional1; real_patriotic_american; mountainfolk; ...

Some may find this of interest:

Sun Yat Sen - Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. Although he was born in China.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23771322/Sun-Yat-Sen-Certificate-of-Hawaiian-Birth-Although-he-was-born-in-China

Description:

Although Sun Yat Sen was born November 12, 1866 in the village of Cuiheng in southern China, he was able to obtain a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. Said certificate was issued by the Territory of Hawaii on March 1904, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in the Hawaiian Islands by signing a affidavit declaring so, along with evidence from witnesses, and providing a photograph of himself.

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea as to the authenticity of this document, but only submit it for the forum’s perusal.

STE=Q


218 posted on 12/30/2009 5:04:45 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: cripplecreek; stockpirate; LucyT; pissant; traditional1; real_patriotic_american; mountainfolk; ...

Some may find this of interest:

Sun Yat Sen - Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. Although he was born in China.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/23771322/Sun-Yat-Sen-Certificate-of-Hawaiian-Birth-Although-he-was-born-in-China

Description:

Although Sun Yat Sen was born November 12, 1866 in the village of Cuiheng in southern China, he was able to obtain a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. Said certificate was issued by the Territory of Hawaii on March 1904, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in the Hawaiian Islands by signing a affidavit declaring so, along with evidence from witnesses, and providing a photograph of himself.

DISCLAIMER: I have no idea as to the authenticity of this document, but only submit it for the forum’s perusal.

STE=Q


219 posted on 12/30/2009 5:06:29 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: tired_old_conservative
...but on your planet do states let people present falsified birth documents on a national platform with impunity when the state has no record of the person actually being born there

Well, the folks from Hawaii, (planet Earth, btw, same planet I live on) said they had his documents on file and those documents on file appeared to be genuine But refused to further comment on the doctored image of a purported Certification of Live Birth allegedly verifying the birth of Barrack Obama posted by liberal Obama Supporters on their websites.

Did Obama state that that was his Birth Certificate? No. Obviously, it isn't, but an image purporting to be a factual image of a derrivative document generated by the State of Hawaii.

Even the State of Hawaii refused to state the information contained in the document image was genuine.

So what did the folks from Hawaii say?

They said they have his original document (But not that it was a Birth Certificate issued by the State). They said that they would not comment on the documents they had in their custody pursuant to their laws.

“The thing that's redacted is just our file number,” she said. “Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system.”

So anyone with a genuine Certification of Live Birth could hack the system? Ri-ight. Or do all the issued Certification of Live Birth documents have a big black rectangle there?

<Health officials contacted the Obama campaign a few months ago in response to the persistent inquiries “to see if they could try and resolve the issue with the people who were asking questions,” she said. “They responded and apparently it isn't good enough that he posted his birth certificate,” Okubo said. “They say they want it because they claim he is not a citizen of the United States. It's pretty ridiculous.

Note, if you will, that the "they" in bold responding were people from the Obama campaign who would have been run off promptly if they admitted that:

1: The document image on line was not of a Birth Certificate, but an image of a Certification of Live Birth. Not the same thing.

2: The document image posted online had been tampered with. This is not cause for faith in the assertions of the Obama Campaign people that we are supposed to accept an altered image of a document online as being evidence of anything, much less his Natural Born Citizen status.

Even if I posted a true and correct image of my documents online, the agencies which require the presentation of those documents from time to time would not accept that as evidence of the existence of those documents, nor should they.

Obama was running for President of the United States, the presentation of the actual document is not so much to ask, considering it is required of every kindergarden student in the US upon registration for school.

All credible information indicates that Obama really was born in Hawaii.

Yep. And there isn't any credible evidence.

220 posted on 12/30/2009 5:08:49 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Frantzie; LucyT; BP2; STARWISE; Red Steel; pissant; hoosiermama; null and void; Amityschild; ...
It's from the state of HI web site, stating that:

"A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii" may obtain an "amended" HI B.C.

Therefore, when the "officials" from HI state that they "have seen" his original record...it could easily be an amended HI BC for a foreign born Barry who was adopted in HI.

221 posted on 12/30/2009 5:58:08 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; The Spirit Of Allegiance; ...

from #203

“Interesting comment indeed. What would be the possible scenario(s) in which his legal father was changed (back) to Sr? If Sr. subsequently adopted Jr. after-wards?

Meaning...since we know Sr. didn’t adopt Jr. after Jr. was adopted by Soetoro...right, his current legal B.C. must list his father as Soetoro. Of course, that would mean his original B.C. (whatever it may show) was amended, and I believe Attorney Donofrio & Mrs Tickly had come to the conclusion that indeed, his BC was amended.

Therefore, what has been posted in cyber-space is in fact a forgery based on that issue alone. “


222 posted on 12/30/2009 6:39:20 PM PST by bitt (You can’t make a weak man strong by making a strong man weak (Abraham Lincoln))
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To: Frantzie
“Try to study the issue before spouting off. He is not NBC and is not eligible. This is why they are covering it. You DU Dummy.”

Well, I've studied your belligerent, one-sentence insistence that what you want to believe is undeniable fact. It wasn't really all that compelling.

I have consistently read all the links people provide on these cases. I have even commented on the source material itself numerous times. It is not compelling or proof of anything. Some of it is almost clever. The rest ranges from incompetent hack work to clearly deranged.

223 posted on 12/30/2009 7:48:26 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: patriot preacher

Oh yeah, I agree with you for sure. It is the entire Military that needs to effect this coup!! Let them ALL refuse this pr*cks orders and frankly turn their abilities back on him. This has gone WAAAY TOO FAR. IF America does NOT act very SOON, it will be too late. He is quietly amassing and arming a personal army of outright THUGS. He’s already said it, he will make his army equal to or more powerful than the US Military. Why do folks not see it? He treats the Military like absolute crap. He defends every Terrorist, thug and infidel like family. He treats the patriots like they are criminals. I literally can hardly bear to watch it anymore. I mute every single word Obama ever says on televison, in fact I usually change the channel until he’s done. He IS the enemy and you had better believe that. CO


224 posted on 12/30/2009 8:17:23 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: tired_old_conservative

You have consistently studied all the links blah blah blah AND YOU have still come to the wrong conclusion because you are an Obamabot you poor thing. You have my sincere sympathy. You are NO Conservative, either old or tired. CO


225 posted on 12/30/2009 8:23:44 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Brytani

I have been looking for documentation do you know where it is?

Thanks.


226 posted on 12/30/2009 8:25:16 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: justiceseeker93

Not sure I understand your sentence regarding the BC, his stepfather and father.


227 posted on 12/30/2009 8:27:59 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: LucyT

OMG!! LucyT - your post #152 - EXACTLY!!! Nobody can realistically DEFEND this BS. He’s a FAKE, a USURPER, a FRAUD and a dangerous COMMIE. He HATES America and it shows every day. He simply CANNOT bring himself to defend the Nation either in word or deed. He’s SO PRO Islam that even a blind man could see it. Lots of luck there America. When you are groveling for good as a nation, thank the DIMWITS that bought this indefensibel claptrap and poor excuse for a human being. He belongs in Africa. Period. He’s no citizen of the UNited States much less a NATURAL born one. CO


228 posted on 12/30/2009 8:34:56 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


229 posted on 12/30/2009 8:40:30 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Patrick1

Buahahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahaha!


230 posted on 12/30/2009 9:24:43 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA))
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To: Canadian Outrage
“You have consistently studied all the links blah blah blah AND YOU have still come to the wrong conclusion because you are an Obamabot you poor thing. You have my sincere sympathy. You are NO Conservative, either old or tired. CO”

No, I simply haven't reached the delusional conclusion in your mind because I retain the ability to set my emotions aside and think rationally. That is a hallmark of real conservatism.

231 posted on 12/30/2009 9:29:23 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative; Frantzie; LucyT
I have even commented on the source material itself numerous times.

numerous times???

It would be more correct if you say:!

"I have even commented on the source material itself more than two-hundred and ten (210) times in less than three (3) months on this issue, and ONLY on this issue alone"!!

And as a a tired_old_conservative'(?) I have NOT contributed on any other issues or other thread here on F.R!!!

232 posted on 12/30/2009 10:15:49 PM PST by danamco
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To: Canadian Outrage

See post 232!!!


233 posted on 12/30/2009 10:20:57 PM PST by danamco
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To: Brytani; LucyT

Thanks for the ping, Lucy.

That’s the thing I always wondered about...

I wonder if the adoption which went through the courts in Indonesia was ever even reported to the registrar here in the US? That’s the only way I can possibly see the Original BC NOT being amended to his new name of Soetero, and his father being listed as Soetero as well.

I’m adopted so this angle on the controversy is a very interesting one to me. It’s also an angle that may be standing in the way of Obama himself releasing the records - if they indeed were amended from the adoption. Of course, it’s a little different if you’re talking about a President, vs. a lowly old adoptee like me, but courts do NOT like opening those original records. If Obama himself doesn’t go to court to request the unsealing (and even if he DID) he would need a compelling argument to open those files. In the past even those who needed the information to search for potentially life-saving genetic matches for bone-marrow transplants and the like have been denied.

PLEASE NOTE: I obviously don’t believe that Obama has ASKED for those records or ever intends to (and I don’t believe he “requested” them sealed either, but rather that they were automatically sealed via the adoption and the only copy he could get listed Soetero and that would screw up his whole act - hence the reason for the forgery in the first place).

I think THAT is a more likely scenario, and part of the reason his lawyers mentioned the whole “embarrassment” thing - even the President can’t bypass some laws...

All speculation of course, but something I’ve wondered about over the last 2 years...


234 posted on 12/31/2009 2:46:52 AM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Vendome; Brytani

What kind of documentation were you referring to, Vendome?

That the adoption in Indonesia took place, or that adoptions amend the original birth certificate, and the original is then sealed?


235 posted on 12/31/2009 2:57:15 AM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Vendome

Adoption records are sealed and not available in most states, Hawaii included.

However, what we do have, confirmed.

Barry, registered in an Indonesian School under the name of Barry Soetoro.

Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann’s divorce records stating there is one minor child (giving Mia’s name) and another “adult” child of the marriage. STanley only had Mia and Obama.

Mia herself says Obama was adopted at age 6.

Barry himself, when asked, has never denied his adoption.

All of that information can be found on Obama crime, on Free Republic and various other sites that are trying to verify who Obama is or are archieving information on him.


236 posted on 12/31/2009 4:50:40 AM PST by Brytani (Support Allen West For Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: LibertyRocks

Please see post# 236.

I too am adopted, by my step-father which is why this stands out for me as a huge red flag.


237 posted on 12/31/2009 4:52:14 AM PST by Brytani (Support Allen West For Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Canadian Outrage

Oh yeah, I agree with you for sure. It is the entire Military that needs to effect this coup!! Let them ALL refuse this pr*cks orders and frankly turn their abilities back on him. This has gone WAAAY TOO FAR. IF America does NOT act very SOON, it will be too late. He is quietly amassing and arming a personal army of outright THUGS. He’s already said it, he will make his army equal to or more powerful than the US Military. Why do folks not see it? He treats the Military like absolute crap. He defends every Terrorist, thug and infidel like family. He treats the patriots like they are criminals. I literally can hardly bear to watch it anymore. I mute every single word Obama ever says on televison, in fact I usually change the channel until he’s done. He IS the enemy and you had better believe that. CO
_____________________

Mr. Outrage:

Not that I disagree with your general sense of our current situation, or your sense of outrage...But, point of clarification: What “private army” do you contend Obama is building? What facts/events do you use to provide evidence for this? Now, again, I can’t say I disagree with you totally — but I don’t see this so overtly as you apparently do...Just curious to know if I missed some other “obvious” facts...


238 posted on 12/31/2009 6:40:48 AM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: danamco

I am tired of phony conservatives and DU Dummy trools covering for Hussein here like the old conservative (aka probably some old Jesus-hatin hippy).


239 posted on 12/31/2009 7:05:40 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: LibertyRocks

I was adopted at the age of 7 and understand, very much, the process. I recall vividly being asked certain questions by the judge in the case, my BC(a long form)shows an notation of ammendment and I fully understand the process to change your name back to your birth name. Of course, you “cannot” change your BC, it is what it is and no amount of wishing to reclaim your birthright, of name and lineage, is going to change it.

It is a legal document based on a set of circumstances that never changed before I reached majority. Barack, if he was adopted, is in the same position.

You can only go by AKA or have your name legally changed but, it will not and cannot change the BC, which much show an ammendment exists in the record. Said ammendment can be accessed but the records underlying the change may not be available.

In looking at the other poster’s statement, he couched it as a fact. I have never seen anything other than Mia’s statement and the school records to support this. Parent’s lie all the time to gain a more favorable status for their child and I don’t have a problem with it.

Thing is, there is no documentation to support any of this. Surprise? LOL, everything about the Barry(Borne) identity is sealed, lost or murky.

So my question was “is there some evidence by way of documentation to support this claim.

I worked with Polarik to prove that COLB is a fake and it was easy to spot.

I have been told there are divorce records for the Lolo marriage but, I only have copies of the Obama divorce sans one page.

Thanks.


240 posted on 12/31/2009 7:38:11 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Brytani

Do you have a copy of the Lolo divorce? I only have the Obama record sans one page.

Thanks


241 posted on 12/31/2009 7:39:29 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: patriot preacher; Canadian Outrage
..But, point of clarification: What “private army” do you contend Obama is building?

With all due respect, but where have you been?

You never heard him say during his campaign that he want a private force that is stronger than our military??

Happy New Year, which I DREAD!!!

242 posted on 12/31/2009 8:00:08 AM PST by danamco
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To: danamco

I’ve heard it — I’ve seen it. There are indications he is putting plans into place — but I DON’T see an Obama SS forming yet — not publicly anyway. I’m just asking for some more solid evidence of your contentions. It’s NOT that I don’t believe you, I just think concrete proof is missing.


243 posted on 12/31/2009 12:46:19 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Vendome; Brytani

I hope I didn’t come off as snarky in my question to you, Vendome. I just wasn’t sure what you were looking for, and wanted to help if I could. :)

I was adopted as an infant, so you and Brytani have a much better understanding of the issue as it affects those who know their birth name, are adopted as an older child, etc... I can only attest to how hard it would be for anyone adopted - whether as an infant, or older to actually access a copy of the true original themselves. It most certainly cannot be done without a court order. Even then one that showed his name “pre-adoption” would NOT be considered a legally valid document - as you said, the only one after that point that is legal is the amended certificate.

Now, I do remember seeing some sort of documentation somewhere about his adoption where his name is mentioned as Barry Soetero (and it wasn’t his Indonesian school record I don’t think), but I doubt there’s any way I’ll be able to remember where it was that I saw it. [It’s one reason why I am REALLY upset that my hard-drive crashed earlier this year as I hadn’t yet transferred copies - when will I learn??? I had so much information stored on it regarding this issue - very frustrating...]


244 posted on 12/31/2009 9:53:19 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Patrick1
The two birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers at the time don’t count I guess?

Those would have been triggered by the filing of the birth certificate. The one we are not allowed to see. The announcements do not say where he was born, who signed as witness to the birth, etc.

245 posted on 12/31/2009 10:00:25 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Patrick1
why place the announcement at all if he is just another child flown into the country from elsewhere? Surely you don’t think Obama was planned to be President all along?

Those announcements are not "placed". They are generated by the filing of the birth certificate paperwork. Regardless of who submitted it.

But unless the long form shows some US citizen as his father, it doesn't really matter where he was born. He's not a natural born citizen.

246 posted on 12/31/2009 10:03:56 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Patrick1
here is simply no evidence or statements that contradict that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Actually there is. Some of it generated as recently as 2004, when he was elected to the US Senate. Newspaper reports in Africa called him Kenyan born. But as I said, as long as his father was not a citizen, he's not a Natural Born Citizen.

247 posted on 12/31/2009 10:05:41 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: LibertyRocks; Brytani
Snarky? Whatever Oldtimer. LOL.

I think that is what bothers many of us about Barry O.’s COLB. It is hyphenated, we know that there are at least three Long Form BC’s in existence and Barry has two in his possession; the one he used to obtain his first passport and maybe to enter college, as well for other documentation requirements.

The most damning BC that he absolutely has is the one he found amongst his mother's belongings, upon her death. It seemed pretty important as he described it in his book and wondered what it meant in his life.

I know if I found something like that, given an absentee father, I would keep and put in some protective cover as I have done with antique documents(I have known mine and my relatives all my life and he just wasn't around hence, my adoption by my Dad).

Now, we have been given to understand or infer Barry was adopted. Was he? I have found no documentation and have only anecdotal information that says “it's possible”, yet there is also a way to read the information as a lie created by parents to obtain an advantage for their child.

Did Lolo adopt Barry? Who knows. There would be documentation between two countries if he was and we have none to prove it is true.

Yes, Barry's sister said that he was but how do ascertain with certainty her story isn't anything more than “family lore”, which exists in all families. You hear one thing but reality is another.

If Barry was adopted then he is operating under an AKA or he had his name legally changed back to Barack Obama. In any case, if we assume the later, where is that documentation? It is out there if it is true and maybe we have not asked the right question to the correct venue.

So what really happened? Don't know but I do seek the answer.

What we do have is a man that has concealed his entire past and we are only given a chalkboard upon which we can project whatever we hope to see. But without proof, none of it is a fact.

Is Barry one of the smartest men ever? His college records would certainly shed light. We have an article where he discoursed about disarmament and it appears to have been written by a high schooler, who has not even taken to rudimentary background of his article.

Barry himself is project some Aquarius utopia in the article but not anything reasoned or even approachable.

Is he a deep thinker? We have the records of GW and John Kerry to ascertain what their academic performance was. So when GW spoke plainly, given his grades in college, it wasn't a surprise, really.

Could Barry skate through life with an invented life story, designed to bolster his ability to ascend to certain positions? How could it be out of the realm? We have Senators who claimed certain experience in Vietnam and later recanted. We have University professors claiming all sorts of things about themselves, in an effort to appeal to their audience and there is a certain one, in Colorado, who was dismissed for doing just that.

I have worked with people who pretended to so smart and a college graduate, so they could obtain a position with the firm I was working with. Heck, there where so proud of their accomplishment the prominently displayed their “Diploma” in their cubicle.

These are guys who where under the scrutiny of a Fortune 500 and the investigation company presumably verified the claims on their resumes. And yet, later they were discovered for not possessing a diploma and where summarily dismissed.

We have a certain mayor who claimed military action and status that didn't exist.

Similar occurrences can be found at leadership of major companies and even where I live, government representatives, who where well known in the community, vouched for and found to be frauds.

Now you have probably heard about Bernie Madoff and Mr. Stanford of Houston but, here in the Bay Area there is a similar man so well known among the power movers of the community and he sits in jail now for similar fraud.

How could it happen? How could his past be concealed? I don't put anymore thought into it other than that was there intent and they worked at it.

So I ask again to anyone: Where is the one page missing in the divorce decree for Barack Sr., in Hawaii and where is the documentation of Barry's adoption?

Hope you had a great time for New Years.

248 posted on 01/01/2010 6:21:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Patrick1

You sir are majorly DECEIVED. But on the other hand, your an Obamabot. I feel bady for you. CO


249 posted on 01/01/2010 10:10:27 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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To: Drew68

Why do you pr*cks keep showing up here? Why are you not on the DU site? That’s where you belong, certainly not here. CO


250 posted on 01/01/2010 10:12:22 PM PST by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what medicine is to a wound - HEALING!!)
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