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US Military Forces Refusing Orders from Barack Obama and Taking it to Court (Video)
2setufree / YouTube ^ | December 25, | 2setufree

Posted on 12/26/2009 8:02:56 PM PST by USALiberty

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To: eyedigress

I don’t want just his BC. He’s hiding college transcripts and records, his political records, grade school records etc. Name a record and you can’t find it. They were sealed.


51 posted on 12/26/2009 10:38:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s an issue of not letting it go. Precedent will change the course of history.


52 posted on 12/26/2009 10:40:00 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: Electric Graffiti
They have children, wives, relatives who are not ‘natural born citizens’.

I noticed that too. A citizen is different than an NBC. And only a VP or Pres has to be NBC. That's just the way it is.

53 posted on 12/26/2009 10:41:15 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Electric Graffiti
It’s hard to tell the DU Trolls from the emotionally crippled ‘freepers’ with too much skin in the game.

Tagline Material! :^)

54 posted on 12/26/2009 10:52:47 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: Patrick1
There is simply no evidence or statements that contradict that Obama was born in Hawaii.

But would you admit that there might be evidence in all the 'records' that Obama has directed to be 'sealed'? Evidence that could contradict more than just his birthplace?

There is a document released by the state of Hawaii, confirmed by the Republican Governor of the state plus a hospital that Obama says and the White House says he was born in that has not been contradicted by that hospital.

Then you just don't understand the implications of a Presidential Order to keep certain information sealed. IF the BC contained info that would counter the President's claims, they are not 'at liberty' to acknowledge the fact. This means, they are permitted (and ordered) by law to lie to the public.

Plus birth announcements in the local newspapers at the time.

That may be the only accurate info we are being given. That is, as long as that wasn't professionally altered. Obama has friends in high places and all it takes is lots of money, and he had tons of it.

Bottom line: We know we aren't being open access to the truth. Records other than the BC are being withheld, why?

I really don’t see why we have to continue with this stupidity

When you get that feeling, it's God's way of telling you not to post. Posting on a thread increases it's 'hit' count, and keeps it higher on the Forum Boards.

Frankly, I find it refreshing, and educational, to debate the subject with those of a contrary opinion.

Don't you?

55 posted on 12/26/2009 10:54:57 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: DJ MacWoW

I beg your humble pardon, Mrs DJ.

It was a story in Martian Chronicles called Shoe on the other foot. But that’s really not important.


56 posted on 12/26/2009 11:00:57 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

You can’t debate a conspiracy theory. This stuff is just as looney as the crap we saw on the left about Bush or 9/11.

I can only give you the facts as known. I can’t answer what you believe are alterior motives of hospitals and Republican Governors. I can only tell you what they said and the facts as they are currently known.


57 posted on 12/26/2009 11:02:57 PM PST by Patrick1
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To: tired_old_conservative
Unfortunately, this crowd is dug in on this issue and will never concede an ounce of sanity.

If it were only the BC that were under Presidential seal, I would agree with you.

It is harder to explain why the plethora of documents of his 'history' is also under seal.

58 posted on 12/26/2009 11:03:28 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: eyedigress
Precedent will change the course of history.

Which is exactly how we got where we are.

: )

59 posted on 12/26/2009 11:06:41 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Patrick1

Is your proof the fake birth certificate that anyone can create on the internet?


60 posted on 12/26/2009 11:06:55 PM PST by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: UCANSEE2

We do not want an autocratic society! We left that long ago.


61 posted on 12/26/2009 11:11:02 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: Patrick1
You can’t debate a conspiracy theory.

Yes, you can. I watch it all the time here on FR. Seen a lot of 'crash and burns' as well.

This stuff is just as looney as the crap we saw on the left about Bush or 9/11.

It may turn out that you are correct. Certainly the left enjoys seeing it as lunacy.

I can only give you the facts as known.

And you've done well, doing that.

I can’t answer what you believe are alterior motives of hospitals and Republican Governors.

Presidential orders supersedes ulterior motive. They are just following 'the law', and may even be telling the truth.

I can only tell you what they said and the facts as they are currently known.

Exactly. However, you do have an opinion as to whether they are being truthful?

You do wonder why more than just his BC records are 'sealed'?

Don't you?

62 posted on 12/26/2009 11:21:16 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

Lou Dobbs lost his job over it. That should be a wake-up.


63 posted on 12/26/2009 11:26:15 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: eyedigress

The implication of ‘precedent’ was that each step was ‘judged’ beforehand to ensure it was ‘legal’(Constitutional) and in the ‘best interests’ of the nation.

‘Legal’ was turned into ‘interpretation’, and ‘best interests’ was turned into ‘my own self-interest’, and boom... the current state of the nation.


64 posted on 12/26/2009 11:27:36 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
“You do wonder why more than just his BC records are ‘sealed’?

Don't you?”

No, I don't. You're talking about basic privacy regulations, applicable to any of us. For example, go try and get someone else’s college transcripts without a court order. See what they tell you.

65 posted on 12/26/2009 11:30:02 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: UCANSEE2

OK! Well the interpretation of Obamas records are more than welcome.


66 posted on 12/26/2009 11:32:13 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: eyedigress
Lou Dobbs lost his job over it. That should be a wake-up.

To some, not all.

67 posted on 12/26/2009 11:33:59 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: tired_old_conservative
No, I don't. You're talking about basic privacy regulations, applicable to any of us. For example, go try and get someone else’s college transcripts without a court order. See what they tell you.

OK. If the BC is protected that well by NORMAL LAW, then why did Obama write a PRESIDENTIAL ORDER to have it and all his other documents SEALED?

Especially when it is known that things like Birthplace can become an issue in a Presidential Election (like happened to McCain)?

68 posted on 12/26/2009 11:37:13 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: eyedigress
We do not want an autocratic society!

The new name for our DEM administration, since they took over the auto industry.

THE AUTOCRATS!

: )

69 posted on 12/26/2009 11:41:36 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: tired_old_conservative
The President of the United States should not have normal records sealed. Why in God's name would you defend that? We have no clue about this man. Do you honestly support that?
70 posted on 12/26/2009 11:43:08 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: UCANSEE2

If it takes steam I will be too busy with my countrymen to give you credit so let me do it now. :^)


71 posted on 12/26/2009 11:49:25 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: Patrick1
" The two birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers at the time don’t count I guess? "

Would the comics in the Sunday Newspaper count also ?
Someone can even place a ad in the news paper that their dog ( female dog ) had puppies...
Even the relatives of anyone born could have placed that ad in the news paper.
BTW ? News papers, the press, main fringe media, is NOT, I repeat this in case you didn't understand what I am saying, IS NOT , the final authority in anything authoritative, or in either truth, nor are they the final arbiters in anything....
72 posted on 12/27/2009 12:44:06 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Drew68
" The two birth announcements in both Honolulu newspapers at the time don’t count I guess? "
So what ? what does that prove ? anyone can place a ad in the news paper and say that their dog had puppies .... BIG DEAL !!! the ads don't prove anything...
If you believe those news paper announcements without ( PROOF ) to back it up, then, their are people who can sell you swamp land in Florida...
73 posted on 12/27/2009 12:49:12 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Drew68
( His father was not an American citizen and BHO had dual citizenship. That means he ain't an NBC. ) ....

" Only in birther fantasyland. "

Ok , please tells us how you came upon this privileged information that his father is or was a US Citizen ? please enlighten us, we are all ears ...
74 posted on 12/27/2009 12:55:14 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: tired_old_conservative
" No, I don't. You're talking about basic privacy regulations, applicable to any of us. "

You have a lot of audacity and arrogance to make that statement considering that it was Obama's Senate campaign with Obama supporters doing the dirty tricks for him in Illinois who leaked information about Jack Ryan's divorce and custody records....

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75 posted on 12/27/2009 1:26:28 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: UCANSEE2
“OK. If the BC is protected that well by NORMAL LAW, then why did Obama write a PRESIDENTIAL ORDER to have it and all his other documents SEALED?”

He didn't. That's another one of the baseless myths trumpeted to keep this whole silly issue going.

The Executive Order you're referring to (13489) deals with the process of how “Presidential Records” (i.e., records generated while one is President) are archived and accessed. Basically, it lifted the more restrictive access protocols imposed by Bush II, restoring the process to approximately what Reagan established when he was in office. It has absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s personal records before he was President, and is not even particularly interesting.

76 posted on 12/27/2009 1:39:22 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: goodnesswins

Your right on that....any war has many theaters of operation as they were called in WW2


77 posted on 12/27/2009 1:42:18 AM PST by goat granny
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To: American Constitutionalist
I believe everyone understands that Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and that Obama did, in fact, technically have dual citizenship at birth. These points were common knowledge before the election, and Obama had already stipulated to at least the first. That is not what Drew68 was disputing.

The birther fantasy is that these two facts disqualify Obama as a NBC.

78 posted on 12/27/2009 1:43:17 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Patrick1

The doctor that delivered me 70years ago was Doctor Woods, his office was on Woodward Avenue between 6 and 7 mile in Detroit michigan. My mother gave me the receipt for my birth...payment to doctor woods 40 dollars....I also have the original BC with the seal of Michigan stamped on it...


79 posted on 12/27/2009 1:46:35 AM PST by goat granny
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To: American Constitutionalist
“You have a lot of audacity and arrogance to make that statement considering that it was Obama’s Senate campaign with Obama supporters doing the dirty tricks for him in Illinois who leaked information about Jack Ryan's divorce and custody records....”

So? Just because you believe a wrong was perpetrated on Ryan doesn't mean the organizations holding Obama’s records aren't still legally answerable to privacy regulations. If you can get someone to leak Obama’s college transcripts to you, good for you. I suspect you'll be disappointed with any information gleaned.

80 posted on 12/27/2009 1:47:48 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
The birther fantasy is that these two facts disqualify Obama as a NBC.

He was born under the citizenship of his Father? Yea?

81 posted on 12/27/2009 1:50:20 AM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I would love to see Sarah Palin’s 4 or was it 5 college transcripts.


82 posted on 12/27/2009 1:52:39 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob

Why? Just to see if she was an NBC?


83 posted on 12/27/2009 1:54:51 AM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
" So? Just because you believe a wrong was perpetrated on Ryan doesn't mean the organizations holding Obama’s records aren't still legally answerable to privacy regulations. If you can get someone to leak Obama’s college transcripts to you, good for you. I suspect you'll be disappointed with any information gleaned. "

Ohh great and mighty all assuming all knowing one, so where do you get this such privileged information that us peasants don't know ?
84 posted on 12/27/2009 1:56:47 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: eyedigress

“He was born under the citizenship of his Father? Yea?”

Not in this country. If he was born in Hawaii, he was born a United States citizen, the same as his mother and grandparents. His father gave him a dual citizenship, but the law is clear on this point—he’s still an American.

One can then always try to build up the distinction between citizen and NBC, but that’s going to legally prove a nonstarter for obvious reasons already discussed.


85 posted on 12/27/2009 1:59:53 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: American Constitutionalist
“Ohh great and mighty all assuming all knowing one, so where do you get this such privileged information that us peasants don't know ?”

Well, let's see. The Ryan ranting came from you. The privacy regulation stuff is pretty much common sense and available to anyone who can read. And stop dissing peasants. I come from thoroughly peasant stock.

86 posted on 12/27/2009 2:02:38 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Give me a health department certificate and its over. Oh wait! That shit is under lock and key, or maybe is isn’t there at all. Stop defending this BS. How the hell did he he get to Indonesia and Paaaackistan without a passport? I don’t let small facts get in the way.


87 posted on 12/27/2009 2:06:41 AM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
It has absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s personal records before he was President, and is not even particularly interesting.

I disagree. The way it is written, it gives him authority to claim executive privilege on any records at his whim.

I believe he did just this for just about all his educational records, and possibly his BC.

The EO under Bush was more restrictive, in that it restricted what the President could contend was 'executive privilege', while (as you state) the Obama EO is much less 'limiting'.

88 posted on 12/27/2009 2:08:57 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: eyedigress
“Give me a health department certificate and its over.”

The campaign did. It conforms to what Hawaii issues and Hawaii doesn't dispute it, which they are legally allowed and obligated to do if someone offers fraudulent state documents. It is over for the rest of the country.

“Oh wait! That shit is under lock and key, or maybe is isn’t there at all.”

Hawaii has stated they have the original documentation. It is governed by privacy regulations, the same as yours or mine.

“How the hell did he he get to Indonesia and Paaaackistan without a passport?”

He didn't. He would have had a passport.

“I don’t let small facts get in the way.”

I'd say you don't let any facts get in your way.

89 posted on 12/27/2009 2:12:14 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative
" And stop dissing peasants. I come from thoroughly peasant stock. "

I am about as lose toothed a peasant as they come ( my teeth haven't fallen out, YET )...


90 posted on 12/27/2009 2:12:28 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: UCANSEE2

He fully understands the power of the Presidency. He will abuse the ever loving hell out of it.


91 posted on 12/27/2009 2:15:14 AM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: UCANSEE2
No actually, the Bush one was written to allow more things to fall under executive privilege than the Obama version, which adheres more closely to the Reagan precedent.

The Executive Order in question is well understood by those competent in the subject matter. That's part of the problem here—birthers lack that competence and just go nuts over the most most mundane of things.

92 posted on 12/27/2009 2:15:42 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: tired_old_conservative

Do you have a passport? (be honest)


93 posted on 12/27/2009 2:16:46 AM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: eyedigress
" Do you have a passport? (be honest) "

Yes, Old Tired Conservative, us " Peasants " want to know....
Happy New Year !!

94 posted on 12/27/2009 2:19:26 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: eyedigress
Why? Just to see if she was an NBC?

So you also see the irrelevance, of the transcript request.

95 posted on 12/27/2009 2:22:54 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: eyedigress
"Do you have a passport? (be honest)"

I can't imagine anyone actually cares, but yes, I do. I've even used it. Multiple times.

96 posted on 12/27/2009 2:23:49 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: American Constitutionalist
Ok , please tells us how you came upon this privileged information that his father is or was a US Citizen ? please enlighten us, we are all ears ...

Please cite the section of the US Constitution that states that requires both parents to be US citizens of a child born in the US = NBC.

I'm all ears (well make that eyes)

97 posted on 12/27/2009 2:32:04 AM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob
The same proof required to prove his age as well as his birth record ( both are of one and the same )

If he can't prove both were he was born and his age, then, there are 2 places were he is ineligible..
98 posted on 12/27/2009 2:36:02 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Patrick1
Born in Hawaii doesn't make him a natural born citizen. His father was a British citizen and this would make him a citizen only not a natural born citizen.
99 posted on 12/27/2009 2:36:18 AM PST by jarofants
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To: Patrick1
What does that prove? Actually nothing. Who says there authentic. Lets say he was born in Hawaii that does not make hi a natural born citizen. That takes to American citizens, not an American and a British subject.
100 posted on 12/27/2009 2:39:33 AM PST by jarofants
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