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“REALLY?! Do you think Hawaii Dept of Health would describe themselves as legally obligated to step in and say, “No, that image on the web does not accurately reflect the records we have on file?” How does that fit with their constant insistence that they cannot legally comment on whether or not the online short-form COLB is accurate? Do you suppose it’s their policy to withhold verification on documents that are accurate, while at the same time, being obligated to declare any frauds to be frauds? “Well, we can’t legally verify it as accurate, but if it were inaccurate we’d tell you instantly.” That’s almost as dumb as Patrickl saying, “The certificate of birth that is supported by the current Republican Governor of Hawaii.” What?

Ok, I’m sure you’ve given good logical explanations to this that I’ve heretofore missed, so just give me a link if that’s all you have time for. If you don’t have a good answer for this sloppiness, retract your statement or else further solidify your place on the troll list.”

So, to the question: “Do you think Hawaii Dept of Health would describe themselves as legally obligated to step in and say, “No, that image on the web does not accurately reflect the records we have on file?”

Yes. I do. It's really that simple. If (1) Hawaii has no record of a major Presidential candidate being born in Hawaii, and (2) his campaign is passing off an online image that resembles an official Hawaiian document and that purports to state he was born there...then yes. They are under absolutely no privacy regulation or other legal obligation to support the scam. They don't have to collude in illegal behavior and would not do so.

In this context, Hawaii representatives specifically said they have verified they have the original records. The only reasonable interpretation of that is that said records say he was born in Hawaii. At that point, it doesn't even matter if his grandmother filed it. It's done. The official records of a state admitted to the Union say he was born there. That's presumptive, requires real evidence to dispute, not speculation and laughable Kenyan birth certificates.

My position really is that simple. And it's not just Hawaii. Both John McCain and Hillary Clinton had very real incentive to demonstrate Obama was not born in the US if there was any truth to it. Neither went there.

I think anyone who talks about stunning backroom collusion, real live states with damning evidence being intimidated by a campaign, etc., etc. has been watching too many movies. The stories for why he wasn't born in Hawaii are all convoluted and hidden and have any number of interlinking trip wires that fall apart on examination (you know, when you watch one of those movies and suddenly go “hey, wait a minute...). The story for his being born in Hawaii is simple and straight forward. It's staring you right in the face. How the math shakes out seems pretty obvious to me.

It's that old adage: When you stare too long at the shadows, you start seeing things that simply aren't there.

And, no offense, but I honestly could care less about the troll list. If I'm on it, it's imaginary, too.

Both John McCain and Hillary Clinton had very real incentive to demonstrate Obama was not born in the US if there was any truth to it. Neither went there.

As a planted mole and an "AFTER-BIRTHER" you are very lax with the truth still using the misleading Cloward-Piven tactics!

Hillary and Bill were the first official "BIRTHERS"!!

Bill was asked the question and he answered: "Yes, if he is qualified"!!

Soon after that he said he was hit with the "RACE-CARD," and they both became mum on THAT issue, end of story!!!

“In this context, Hawaii representatives specifically said they have verified they have the original records. The only reasonable interpretation of that is that said records say he was born in Hawaii. At that point, it doesn't even matter if his grandmother filed it. It's done.”

If his grandmother filed it “It's done”???

If his grandmother filed it with no hospital or doctor corroboration, he could have been born anywhere. HI was very lax in requiring evidence of actual HI birth even as much as a year or more after an alleged birth.

A grandmother report is exactly the type of HI vital record that opens the serious possibility of a Kenya birth, while a hospital long form with a doctor's signature would shut down that possibility in my mind.

Remember the incessant lefty insult hurled at Bush that he was “incurious”? In my view, folks satisfied with Obama’s failure to release his HI vital records are incurious.