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Ben Stein Calls Ron Paul's "Occupiers" Statement An "Anti-Semitic Argument" - Video
Freedom's Lighthouse ^ | December 29, 2009 | Michael

Posted on 12/29/2009 7:54:16 PM PST by Federalist Patriot

Here is video of Ron Paul and Ben Stein on "Larry King Live" getting into a heated argument over Ron Paul saying terrorist are motivated to hate us because we are "occupiers." (Video)

When Ben Stein said that we should help the government of Yemen by stopping terrorists and murders, Ron Paul said "why are they terrorist? They're terrorists because we're occupiers." Ben Stein then called Ron Paul's claim that we are "occupiers" as "the same anti-Semitic argument that we've heard over and over again."

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1 posted on 12/29/2009 7:54:20 PM PST by Federalist Patriot
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To: Federalist Patriot

Go, Ben, Go. R-U-N Paul is an occupier - of a House Seat he doesn’t deserve to hold.


2 posted on 12/29/2009 7:56:07 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Muslims have hated Jews ever since Mohammed invented the devil’s religion.


3 posted on 12/29/2009 7:58:07 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Ron Paul is off the reservation. I admired him until I further researched his comments about September 11 and what a Ron Paul foreign policy would look like.

I’m not ready to get out the Reynold’s Wrap quite yet to become a Paul supporter.


4 posted on 12/29/2009 7:58:23 PM PST by Mengerian
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To: Federalist Patriot

Hey Ron... We’ll be “occupiers” no matter where we are. You want us to move to the moon?


5 posted on 12/29/2009 7:59:29 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Federalist Patriot

Muslims were attacking everyone for over a thousand years before America existed. Ron Paul is egregiously misinformed on this issue.

Muslims attack America because they are Muslims, NOT because of anything we do.

ISLAM DELENDA EST - because they are forcing us to do it.


6 posted on 12/29/2009 8:00:03 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Federalist Patriot
Ron Paul is way off on the issue of Israel. Way off. He is right about the Federal Reserve and just about everything else I can think of.

Lack of support for Israel is a deal breaker for me though.

Israel has a right to the land via the balfour declaration and the promise of the transjordan to Israel. Britain backed out of that promise and "let the UN work it out".

7 posted on 12/29/2009 8:03:59 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: GladesGuru

Islam is taking over more and more areas.

Ask France.


8 posted on 12/29/2009 8:04:18 PM PST by Dr. North
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To: Federalist Patriot

Ron Paul is part of the NeoLeft

His views right along on foreign policy especially
the terrorists who have declared was on America are
the same left wing talking points.
Ron Paul is a total loon.

There is a 6 min. you tube of him going on with this same crap from months back. Mainly against Israel
and making excuses for the terrorists.


9 posted on 12/29/2009 8:04:43 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoldierDad

I’m for him on economics, the Federal Reserve, but the overseas stuff is just nuts.


10 posted on 12/29/2009 8:05:57 PM PST by Leisler (We don't need a third party we need a conservative second party.)
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To: Leisler

Which is why I call him R-U-N Paul.


11 posted on 12/29/2009 8:06:59 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Federalist Patriot
Paul's argument is strange but I disagree with Stein that it's somehow anti-Semitic.

Paul lost me in the election when he used the occupier argument with Iraq. We defended an ally and took out Hussein after he violated the terms of the cease fire.

12 posted on 12/29/2009 8:16:12 PM PST by FTJM
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To: SoldierDad

Ron Paul is jimmy carter’s retarded Daughter....


13 posted on 12/29/2009 8:16:22 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: LtKerst

Caused by a diet high in peanuts???


14 posted on 12/29/2009 8:17:29 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: SoCalPol

Ron Paul = “NeoLeft”

Great characterization. I was thinking Ron Paul was like McGovern all along (i.e. peace at any cost).


15 posted on 12/29/2009 8:18:25 PM PST by Mengerian
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To: FTJM

I have heard Paul’s rants and no wonder he is supported by StormFront, Rockwell, Alex Jones and the other Neo Nazis


16 posted on 12/29/2009 8:20:15 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Mengerian

Exactly.

Paul’s talking points are the same I have heard over and over face to face from the Code Pinkos


17 posted on 12/29/2009 8:21:23 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Federalist Patriot

To “heck” with Paul. I’d rather see a dem in office.


18 posted on 12/29/2009 8:22:26 PM PST by uscabjd
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To: SoldierDad
Ron Paul is a nut job.

Right on a few issues, but an embarrassment on many others.

And, Ron Paul is anti-Israel and anti-Jew.

19 posted on 12/29/2009 8:29:05 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: SoCalPol

Rockwell can’t support him—he was shot to death by an ex-follower in 1967.


20 posted on 12/29/2009 8:31:41 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Federalist Patriot

I like Ben Stein on economic issues; however this short clip is a cheesy example of leftist character assassination. While I am not really sure on Ron Paul’s whole world philosophy, yet what he said was not anti-Semitic and was clear on the rhetorical point as to reasons those in the Middle East have declared and use as an argument to blame America or Western nations of being in the region. As we are not occupiers or conquerors, I cannot say the same for those in the Middle East whose wholesale slaughter of different populations they do not like, such as Hamas, PLO and the many other insurgent movements which are occupiers enslaving local, regional populations and in some cases have become defacto nation/states supported by the Foreign Nations Association who have fanned the flames of this whole mess for profit and political gain; the record is clear!


21 posted on 12/29/2009 8:33:42 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: liberalism is suicide

not that rockwell


22 posted on 12/29/2009 8:34:27 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

My ignorance is showing. Whom do you mean?


23 posted on 12/29/2009 8:38:31 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: Mengerian

Abolish the Federal Income Tax is NeoLeft?


24 posted on 12/29/2009 8:41:02 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: liberalism is suicide

Lew Rockwell, one of the fringe neo nazi loons


25 posted on 12/29/2009 8:41:03 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Kansas58

R-U-N Paul needs to spend some time learning the history of the Middle East and Islam (and pre-Islam). You want to speak of occupiers R-U-N? Let’s talk about the Persians and the Babylonians, shall we?


26 posted on 12/29/2009 8:44:45 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: Federalist Patriot

Islam is a religion which evangelizes by the sword. They conquer and kill everyone who will not become one of them.

They will eventually take over the world unless they are stopped. We are free and most of us Christian or Jewish because we stopped them.

We should give thanks to our ancestors such as Charles Martel who stopped the Muslims.


27 posted on 12/29/2009 8:45:34 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Federalist Patriot

Finally, a article that proves I was right about this friggin nutcase Ron Paul. He is a terrorist appeaser and he always will be, but I am sure the ronbots will be here shortly to defend him, just the same.


28 posted on 12/29/2009 8:55:47 PM PST by packrat35 (Democrat Healthcare is a 9-11 Attack on the Constitution)
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To: truthfreedom
“Abolish the Federal Income Tax is NeoLeft?”

No. It was a discussion about Paul's insane 9/11 logic and foreign policy which mirror that of the NeoLeft. I earlier remarked that he was like McGovern when it came to his foreign policy.

29 posted on 12/29/2009 8:55:56 PM PST by Mengerian
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To: GladesGuru

You catch the story about when we hit Yemen with cruise missles? It was like a week or 2 ago?

Who could have possibly imagined that the people in Yemen wouldn’t like being hit with cruise missles? Those Muslims must be crazy animals, not like being killed and all.

They must hate our freedom. Us killing them with the missles had nothing to do with it. And you must be an anti-semite to think that the Muslims shouldn’t like being shot at with USA missiles in their own country.


30 posted on 12/29/2009 9:05:04 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Mengerian; truthfreedom
This is a transcript I lifted from Michelle Malkin regarding Paul stating Democrats would do a better job with oversight and further lending credence to the 9/11 truther movement.

CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I’m tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

HON. DR. RON PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don’t have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn’t going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.

31 posted on 12/29/2009 9:12:40 PM PST by Mengerian
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To: Mengerian

Well, I happen to disagree with you on some policy matters. I do realize that his foreign policy, especially regarding terrorism, really has turned a lot of people off (most) here on FR.

Most here cannot or will not accept in any fashion any discussion at all about “blowback”. I personally can try to wrap my head around that. Most here do say 100% no to any of that. I recognize this. Ron Paul would do well to steer clear of “blowback” discussions.

I’m finding antiwar Dems these days even rejecting the blowback theory now that Obama is basically doing the same stuff as Bush on the antiterrorist front. They didn’t like it when Bush did it, but now that Obama is doing it, it’s ok.


32 posted on 12/29/2009 9:16:54 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
I'll embrace 100% of Ron Paul's fiscal and monetary policies any day.

However, on foreign policy, the guy is just plum crazy. And he says Democrats will do a better job at investigatory oversight? Are you kidding me?

Essentially, his remarks on September 11 can be distilled to read, “we had it coming to us so we deserved what we got.”

Amazingly enough, a Paul foreign policy is blind to the fact terrorists want to kill us at any cost (and despite that), America is not entitled to protect her sovereignty through a strong defensive posture or offensive reprisal.

33 posted on 12/29/2009 9:30:30 PM PST by Mengerian
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To: Mengerian

Well, I’m going to assume that what you’re writing is true.

Yeah, Ron Paul is not strong on 9/11 matters. Because if Ron Paul said that, it seems that, yeah, “more or less cover-up” does tend to support truthers.

On the other hand, there’s “blowback” which doesn’t fit with “more of less cover-up”.

Basically, there are 3 possible positions 1) “more or less cover-up” 2) “blowback” 3) crazy muslims hate our freedom.

The official FR position is 100% #3, it certainly was during the Bush administration, and there seems to be no change as of now. The official FR position is that positions #1 and #2 are crazy, unhinged, off the reservation, etc.

Ron Paul does seem to have taken, at various times, elements of #1 and #2, neither of which is liked at all here.

Interestingly, as to 9/11 #1 and #2 are incompatible. #1 says that it might not have been exclusively muslims. #2 says that it was exclusively muslims. The difference between #2 and #3 is under #2 the muslims reasons are examined and under #3, the examination goes just as far as to say muslims are crazy.

If I was to guess, I would say that your quote was pre 2007, or, if it was from 2007, it was prior to the summer. That’s just a guess. During the debates in 2007, Ron Paul was solidly behind the “blowback” explanation. I don’t think he was switching back and forth between conspiracy theory and blowback at that time. I could be wrong.


34 posted on 12/29/2009 9:41:22 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Mengerian

Well, I’d cut him a break on the Democrats / oversight, personally. He wasn’t saying the Democrats are better at oversight in all cases, at least in my analysis. I think he was saying basically was that Democrats do a better job of oversight of Republicans than Republicans do. I’d assume that he’d say that Republicans do a better job of overseeing Democrats than Democrats do. It’s more a commentary on the 2 party system than anything else.

The particular comment, the quote from the Malkin article really doesn’t boil down to “we had it coming” The “cover-up” line leads to “it was a conspiracy”, not “we had it coming”. Paul has used both arguments, or, Paul’s arguments have been twisted to make people believe that Paul was making those arguments.

But, it is true that on FR, people believe that Paul makes those arguments.


35 posted on 12/29/2009 9:52:24 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
Great post. There is incongruousness in his reasoning and logic, which you indirectly pegged.

As I mentioned, early on I thought Ron Paul was someone I could support (esp. fiscal and monetary matters), yet the more I learned about his shocking sentiments and feelings regarding September 11, national security / and his apparent nonchalance about our sovereignty, I became more wary and alarmed.

36 posted on 12/29/2009 9:56:24 PM PST by Mengerian
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To: Mengerian

I have read many of Paul’s own comments, his you tubes and
sites.
Have also talked face to face with many of his supporters.

The views are NeoLeft as I mentioned earlier.
This is why so many 9/11 Truthers back him.
His anti war, we drove the Muslims to do this,
His “American Imperialism” rants, anti Israel.

His son who is runing for the senate in KY is no different.
He has a bit of a different spin to get Republican votes
but his son’s views are the same.
All loons.


37 posted on 12/29/2009 10:13:58 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Dr. North

Muslims are taking over Europe simply because THEY ARE INVITED.


38 posted on 12/29/2009 10:20:27 PM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: 353FMG

Unstopped.


39 posted on 12/29/2009 10:30:02 PM PST by Dr. North
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To: Mengerian

I do not for one split second believe that Ron Paul is nonchalant about our sovereignty.

Safety, maybe. Security, maybe. There are reasonable arguments on both sides. Ron Paul believes strongly in sovereignty. Our sovereignty, and also the sovereignty of other countries. It might not increase our safety to respect the sovereignty of other nations, it might not increase our security to respect the sovereignty of other nations, but Ron Paul wouldn’t do something to allow another country to bomb us and then say “what are you complaining about, you violated the sovereignty of many other nations. We’re just doing to you what you did to many other countries.”

But, people here are unlikely to understand that argument. If people in other countries are considered crazy for disliking being attacked by cruise missiles, and crazy for doing something in retaliation, (that is the argument that is called “blaming the US”) I assume that other countries wouldn’t be considered merely returning the favor if they decide that some people here in the US were doing something that they could stop by lobbing in a few cruise missiles.

Here’s a little quiz - A) or B)?
A) People in foreign countries like it when the US fires cruise missiles into their country, killing their people.
B) People in foreign countries do not like it when the US fires cruise missles into their country, killing their people.

I haven’t been to many foreign countries. I don’t really know what people in foreign countries think. I’m really just guessing here. But, and this is critical. B) is often true. Not just A). Sure, there are obviously a lot of people who are just waiting around hoping we’d just hurry up and get over to their country with our kick-ass cruise missiles and kill them, but, there are some people (we call them crazy) who believe B). They do not like it when we kill their countrymen with cruise missiles.

My recommendation to Republicans, Democrats, people here on FR and people anywhere else is to recognize that there are people in both group A - those who like seeing their countrymen killed by the US and group B - those who do not like seeing their countrymen killed by the US.


40 posted on 12/29/2009 11:20:43 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
Back in the real world
1) We were attacked first back int he 1790s
2) We are dealing with transnational movement. The Sunni and Shia Jihadis believe in a global Caliphate. National boundaries are unIslamic.
41 posted on 12/30/2009 3:02:12 AM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: truthfreedom
The Terrorist camps in Yemen were there long before they were hit with cruise missiles 2 weeks ago. They were moved there because Afghanistan and Iraq were too hot to handle.

And OF COURSE! IT'S ALL OUR FAULT!!!!!! (Cindy Sheehan;...Is that you?)

You Run Paulbots are hilarious!

42 posted on 12/30/2009 3:11:37 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: Federalist Patriot

I really liked Ron Paul in the movie Bruno......


43 posted on 12/30/2009 3:17:58 AM PST by rrrod
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To: Federalist Patriot

This is why I do not like Ron Paul.


44 posted on 12/30/2009 3:20:04 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: yarddog
Islam is a religion which evangelizes by the sword. They conquer and kill everyone who will not become one of them.

They will eventually take over the world unless they are stopped. We are free and most of us Christian or Jewish because we stopped them.

We should give thanks to our ancestors such as Charles Martel who stopped the Muslims.

I refer you to the story of Athanasios Diakos, hero of the Greek War of Independence against the Ottoman Turks (of the so-called "religion of Peace").

Note this paragraph:

"The severely wounded Diakos was taken before Vryonis, who offered to make him an officer in the Ottoman army if he converted from Christianity to Islam. Diakos refused the offer. The next day he was impaled.His last words were.. "Εγώ Γραικός γεννήθηκα, Γραικός θε να πεθάνω" ("I was Born a Greek, I Shall Die a Greek").

Athanasios Diakos

45 posted on 12/30/2009 5:25:07 AM PST by Yankee (Welcome to Obama's Fourth Reich.)
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To: truthfreedom

Head on back to DU, or your position in Odumbos cabinet.

Clearly your screen name has no bearing on your views.

Clearly you believe that this country randomly prowls the globe, looking for a handy place to unload explosive inventory.

Clearly you have not seen anything in the news either. I guess Americans should ignore that close to 100% of terrorist activities, terrorist attacks, and terrorists are MUSLIM. And, surprisingly, they hide in MUSLIM countries. And not so surprisingly, they hide amongst the civilian population.

Clearly these animals hate us, our way of life, our religion(s), our freedoms, etc, and want us DEAD. But thats ook with you.

Who could have guessed that we would target MUSLIMS training, abetting, aiding, planning, hiding, supporting, financing, etc more MUSLIM terrorists.


46 posted on 12/30/2009 7:05:26 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: truthfreedom

“And you must be an anti-semite to think that the Muslims shouldn’t like being shot at with USA missiles in their own country.”

Actually, “I Are One!”

In a manner of speaking, that is. Last time I checked, that miserable , wretched over sized sand box was known as the original habitat of the “Semitic People”. Arabs and Jews ARE Semites.

As for what Muslims in general and Arabs in this case, think - whatever!.

The British had quite a better view of the Arabs. Churchill on Arabs is available on Google. Check his River War, published in 1899.

Another British jewel of insight into the Arab is:
“The Arab is either at your feet or at your throat. Better he be at your feet.”

With regular use of superior force, Mr. Muslim will believe and be happy to tell you most effusively, “Oh Esteemed One, I agree with everything you every thought or said in your entire life.”

‘Nuff said.


47 posted on 12/30/2009 7:58:54 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Dr. North
Islam had better tread lightly in France. Ask the ghosts of the Huguenots slaughtered on St. Bart's Day.

IIRC, the church bells began to ring across France and the Catholic French arose and began to kill the Protestant French. That was white Frenchmen slaughtering white Frenchmen.

Imagine what they will do to the non-white Muslims when their territorial nature is finally exercised!

For any lurking liberals, consider reading Robert Ardrey’s “African Genesis”. No better examination of the evolutionary antecedents of human behavioral predispositions has been written.

48 posted on 12/30/2009 8:05:27 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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I sort of split the middle here. Fundamentalist Muslims pretty much hate everyone who isn’t a Muslim. Becoming uninvolved in the Middle East wouldn’t cause the Bin Ladens of the world to suddenly love us.

That being said; our subsidizing of Israel just further pisses off the Muslims (and not just the terrorist ones, either) and doesn’t gain us anything other than what CIA-types would refer to as “blowback”.


49 posted on 12/30/2009 10:07:52 AM PST by DriveNASCAR
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To: RoadGumby

Clearly, you don’t understand that Obama. That’s right, Obama, attacked Yemen. Obama, the worst President going back years (LBJ? FDR? Wilson?), is supported by YOU, not by me.

YOU are the one who is supporting the Leftist Obama.

But that’s right, you’re a Trotskyite.

The neocon position, in case you’ve “forgotten”, was invented by former Trotskyites, former Socialists.

Scoop Jackson, a Democrat, trained the neocon leaders.

Is that you? You’re supporting Obama’s foreign policy, not me.

What was it that Dole said in 1976? Democrat wars?


50 posted on 12/30/2009 4:10:54 PM PST by truthfreedom
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