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OBAMA PAL REV RICK WARREN BOTTOMS OUT
jgrantswankjr ^ | Dec 31 | J. Grant Swank, Jr.

Posted on 12/31/2009 9:32:32 AM PST by freedomyes

Many evangelicals wondered why under heaven Pastor Rick Warren, Saddleback mega-Church, was so cordial to Barack Hussein Obama during the presidential campaign.

Countless conservatives were so taken aback that they couldn’t digest the facts when first told.

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1 posted on 12/31/2009 9:32:33 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: freedomyes

Live by the hype, die by the hype.

Plus he’s asking his church for 900 grand in the last two days of the year in a fundraising letter he ends with “I love you all so much.”

What a transparent individual he is. I pray everyone else would see it.


2 posted on 12/31/2009 9:36:15 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: freedomyes
Warren and Saddleback can't hit bottom fast enough for me. Why doesn't Warren, the multimillionaire, give some of HIS money? He is worse than the government. He, just like all the millionaire “ministers,” are always calling for OTHERS to give. Mr. Rick, you first.
3 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:18 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: freedomyes

This guy got too cozy with liberalism, and now he’s a million dollars i the hole. Boo freakin Hoo.


4 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:22 AM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: freedomyes

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:grantswank/index?brevity=full;tab=comments

retread


5 posted on 12/31/2009 9:38:29 AM PST by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: freedomyes

Rev. Warren gave creedence to this man, and a platform.

Never should have happened.


6 posted on 12/31/2009 9:39:08 AM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: freedomyes

I’d bet$100 that Warren VOTED for the demented Marxist for President. Warren is all about Warren. Didn’t the silly Warren declare that SYRIA was hospitable to Christians a year ago? Bob


7 posted on 12/31/2009 9:40:42 AM PST by alstewartfan (I)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Rick Warren worships at the alter of Rick Warren.


8 posted on 12/31/2009 9:42:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: freedomyes

Warren ended any credibility when he began self promoting in the shadow of Obama.

(just another 30 pieces of silver pastor)


9 posted on 12/31/2009 9:42:40 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Nosterrex

“Mr. Rick, you first.”

I am NOT a fan of Warren, however, Warren and his wife tithe 90% of all their incomes to the church...they didn’t always, they started out giving 10% and eventually went to 90%.

You will not find any of the “TV” preachers who do so.


10 posted on 12/31/2009 9:43:03 AM PST by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: alstewartfan

Warrens also said that Muslims worship the same God as Christians.


11 posted on 12/31/2009 9:44:31 AM PST by Siberian-psycho (An oppressed class which did not try to possess arms, would deserve to be treated as slaves." Lenin)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Are you telling me he is just a better-dressed Jimmy Swaggart?


12 posted on 12/31/2009 9:45:23 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Moby Grape

If you can afford, as pastor of a church, to tithe 90 percent of your income to the church, you are making way too much, IMHO.

There are also some clever tricks that can be used to deal with this. Donate 90 percent of your income to the church, then the church gives you things you would not normally get ie, pays for your house, pays for transportation, pays for your clothing, pays for your travel expenses, pays for a whole lotta the “perks” that the other churches make their pastors pay for. IMHO, its a way to live even MORE extravagantly than the 10 percenters.

I trust no one in charge of a mega church. No good happens in a stadium (think circuses,professional sports,benny hinn, concerts, and political bs).


13 posted on 12/31/2009 9:49:07 AM PST by wombtotomb
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To: Moby Grape

That is good to know, and I will take your word for it. I stand corrected.


14 posted on 12/31/2009 9:52:13 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: freedomyes

Two words - MMMMMMM MMMMMMM.


15 posted on 12/31/2009 9:52:25 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: wombtotomb

“If you can afford, as pastor of a church, to tithe 90 percent of your income to the church, you are making way too much, IMHO.”

I suspect this comes from book royalties and not salary...


16 posted on 12/31/2009 9:54:51 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: cripplecreek
Rick Warren worships at the alter of Rick Warren.

That's the problem I have with mega-churches and their pastors. All too often it becomes about them and not about Christ. My preference is a small church where the pastor can be held accountable by his congregation....and you don't have to check the church directory to find out who someone is.

17 posted on 12/31/2009 9:56:12 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

that may be so, but think of the tax writeoff on 90 PERCENT of his income being donated, then the church providing for all of his needs.

Sounds suspicously like congress to me....


18 posted on 12/31/2009 9:57:46 AM PST by wombtotomb
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To: Retired COB

yes


19 posted on 12/31/2009 9:58:31 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Vigilanteman

If I were in Warren’s place, representing a large congregation, I would have been inclined to reach out to zero as well. Rick Warren has never indicated regret for his action, however, the way things turned out, he may. 20 / 20 hindsight is fairly easy. His approach could have used some polish and I wish he had stood on principal more than he did. I believe his heart was in the right place but he should have checked with some Christian Brothers before stepping out.


20 posted on 12/31/2009 9:59:34 AM PST by Bowtie52
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To: freedomyes

He’s cozy with Obama. He should ask for a bail-out.


21 posted on 12/31/2009 10:01:17 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: wombtotomb
If you can afford, as pastor of a church, to tithe 90 percent of your income to the church, you are making way too much, IMHO.

He lives comfortably on his book royalties and speaking fees.

22 posted on 12/31/2009 10:02:16 AM PST by earlJam
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To: wombtotomb

>> I trust no one in charge of a mega church.

I would direct your attention to Dr. Edwin Young of Second Baptist Church in Houston (the second largest church in the country ... 5 campuses, 50K members). He would state that you shouldn’t trust him, you should trust God’s word ... read for yourself.

He is a genuinely good man, and devout conservative Christian. He’s not afraid of edgy or secularly controversial sermons. He frequently mentions in his sermons the fact that abortion is the single greatest issue leading to America’s moral problems. He took a shot at Nancy Pelosi in last weeks sermon (as he read a Christmas list from his granddaughter which included a request for $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (there were 61 zeroes) ... and called her the next Pelosi).

Though he does not take side with any political party from the pulpit he is a red-blooded patriotic American conservative.

SnakeDoc


23 posted on 12/31/2009 10:02:26 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders ...)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Gee, Warren ought to rename his outfit Brokeback Mountain Ministries. He’s just another Gramscian shill for communism.


24 posted on 12/31/2009 10:03:09 AM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?")
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To: SnakeDoctor

there IS wheat among the chaff. . .but wise as snakes and harmless as dives still holds fast.

thanks for the info.


25 posted on 12/31/2009 10:04:16 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Retired COB

My preferenc is to come to my own arrangement with my Creator. Don’t trust middlemen: they always have an agenda.


26 posted on 12/31/2009 10:05:17 AM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?")
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To: bgill

these two-faced clergy are always such a detriment to the One without a pillow to lay His head.

Jesus does weep.

and do his genuine sheep.


27 posted on 12/31/2009 10:05:49 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Noumenon

Jesus said “Come unto ME.”

no need for middle this and that.

go directly.

His line available 24 / 7, thank heaven.

he has never forsake me. i’ve lived for him since 7 years of age. all is well in that department for when God said, “Prove me now. . .” he meant it and i know it to be fact.


28 posted on 12/31/2009 10:07:35 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Moby Grape
I am NOT a fan of Warren, however, Warren and his wife tithe 90% of all their incomes to the church...they didn’t always, they started out giving 10% and eventually went to 90%.

Warren loves to blow the trumpet about his "90% tithe" (see Matthew 6:1-2) but most of that charitable giving goes to the Peace Fund which he personally controls.
29 posted on 12/31/2009 10:07:38 AM PST by slumber1
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To: Bowtie52

Nobody ever thought any less of Billy Graham because he had the guts to man up, admit he had no business promoting politicians and then kept his promise from then on.


30 posted on 12/31/2009 10:08:47 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: freedomyes

This is the same phony piece of slime who spoke at the Islamic Society of North America convention AFTER ISNA was revealed to be a Muslim Brotherhood front group and was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing trial.

He’s for sale, always has been.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 10:09:07 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: wombtotomb; Larry Lucido; Cagey; MotleyGirl70; Gamecock
“If you can afford, as pastor of a church, to tithe 90 percent of your income to the church, you are making way too much, IMHO.”

(reply): I suspect this comes from book royalties and not salary...

(counter-reply): but think of the tax writeoff on 90 PERCENT of his income being donated

Kramer : It's just a write off for them.

Jerry : How is it a write off?

Kramer : They just write it off.

Jerry : Write it off what ?

Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything.

Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is.

Kramer : Do you?

Jerry : No. I don't.

Kramer : But they do, and they are the ones writing it off .

32 posted on 12/31/2009 10:09:48 AM PST by earlJam
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To: slumber1

there is usually a dirty twist when advertising publicly your giving to God.

i thought Jesus said something about doing that sort of move in secret so that Father can take care of broadcasting detail if HE wants.

anyhow, the widow with her two pence comes to mind and how we love that woman—anonymous though she be.


33 posted on 12/31/2009 10:09:59 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: LSUfan

recall sally quin on o’reilly bragging on having tea with warren and wife in calif and all that cozy stuff.

sally???? of all creatures with pastor and wifey.

she made me sick with her phony religiosity.

warren should join the other scammers and just close up pulpit, go to the salvation army and help fill up the soup bowls.

these blowhards are sickening.


34 posted on 12/31/2009 10:12:55 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: freedomyes
I'm disappointed in the attitude of my fellow freepers in this issue. Rick Warren is a fine man. I don't agree, however, with the face time he gave 0bama during the election. Neither do I agree with his statement that "Christians worship the same god as muslims." But that is no reason to trash him.

The man is pastor of a large church. That is no reason to trash him either. So his church is facing a shortfall... and so he is appealing to church members to give a little extra to meet that short fall. It doesn't make him the demon you all seem to portray.

It is one thing to criticize. That is valid. It is quite another to slime a good man who has said some things with which you disagree. That's deplorable.

Now I'll brace myself to be trashed and slimed by my own fellow travelers. I hope it doesn't happen. I hope you all are decent enough to accept a little criticism from one of your own fellow-conservatives.

35 posted on 12/31/2009 10:15:50 AM PST by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: freedomyes

Rick, why don’t you ask BO for some stash money ? You got him votes, now ask for your payoff.


36 posted on 12/31/2009 10:17:58 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Guyin4Os

i say this kindly, but what is quoted below is FAR OVER THE LINE FOR A BIBLICAL PASTOR:

“Christians worship the same god as muslims.”

when a supposed biblical clergyperson makes that statement or one like it, he has blasphemed Jesus who said He is the only way to the Father.

sorry that warren gets some slime on responses at this time, but warren has set himself up for it with his extremism against the gospel message that is so clear one has to be a fool not to get it—especially with conservative theological education.


37 posted on 12/31/2009 10:20:26 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: slumber1

Thanks for the info...I have never heard him “brag” about it..he answered a question from Larry King...that is how I knew.


38 posted on 12/31/2009 10:21:49 AM PST by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: wombtotomb

“If you can afford, as pastor of a church, to tithe 90 percent of your income to the church, you are making way too much, IMHO.”

Hold on, you sound like the democrats complaining about CEO pay...NONE of their, or our, buisness what people make....you have to keep in mind that MOST of his income has been coming from book sales, not his church salary.


39 posted on 12/31/2009 10:23:30 AM PST by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: Guyin4Os

Rick Warren knowingly accepted an invitation to speak before a Muslim Brotherhood front that was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorism financing trial in US history. He is on the wrong side.


40 posted on 12/31/2009 10:24:12 AM PST by LSUfan
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To: wombtotomb

Doesn’t sounds to me as if your opinion is very humble. I am no follower of Rick Warren, and have opposed the introduction of his Purpose Driven curricula in a church I was a member of, even refusing to participate in the activities of the time.

However, I’d also like to know what Rick Warren should do with his personal money? He makes a lot of money from his book sales, his speaking engagements and other ventures of which he is a part.

I trust no one who doesn’t trust someone in charge of a mega-church. A lot of these pastors have done some bad things. But a lot of them have done some very good things. I just don’t happen to think that Rick Warren is someone who’s done a lot of good. I think his preaching is poor and without spiritual merit. But is is the spiritual authority at Saddleback, and I’m not going to criticize him for what he does there, or the fact that he puts his money where his mouth is.

Now, I’d also like to know if your criticism is based on your personal animosity toward Christians and Rick Warren, or whether your criticism on an honest appraisial of what he is doing. In other words, is your opinion based on your own personal worship experiences and a membership in a local church? Or are you just taking potshots?


41 posted on 12/31/2009 10:26:06 AM PST by righttackle44
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To: freedomyes
i say this kindly, but what is quoted below is FAR OVER THE LINE FOR A BIBLICAL PASTOR

It isn't something that I would say. And I certainly do criticize Pastor Warren for saying it. He should denounce his statement, if he has not done so already. I doubt that if he has denounced the statement, that it got the coverage as when he made the statement. But again, the sliming that freepers are giving him says more about the slimERS than it says about the slimEE. I get pretty upset when my fellow freepers act like the Daily KOSers or the DUmmies. We're above that sort of behavior... or at least, should be.

42 posted on 12/31/2009 10:26:40 AM PST by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: freedomyes

Pastor Rick Warren = PHONY


43 posted on 12/31/2009 10:28:59 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: Guyin4Os

a lot of the resonse angst comes from hurt hurt hurt in Jesus’ name.

these people are not all simply spilling awful words.

some of them are so deeply hurt by betrayal betrayal from persons they have trusted and found self-centered in the end.

it is hard to figure out what is the motive behind each response but i would venture to say that much of it is from that sense of being had one more time in the name of Jesus and the gospel.


44 posted on 12/31/2009 10:29:18 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Nosterrex
Why doesn't Warren, the multimillionaire, give some of HIS money?

Not a follower of Warren (and as a SBC Preacher...his moderate approach irritates me immensely) ...but Rick Warren "reverse tithes"...which means he gives 90% of his income back to the church...keeping 10% for himself. He does this on his salary and the income he makes from books...tapes...etc.

So...at least he isn't being a hypocrite. He's only asking others to do a little of what he does already.

45 posted on 12/31/2009 10:29:55 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: LSUfan
Rick Warren knowingly accepted an invitation to speak before a Muslim Brotherhood front that was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the largest terrorism financing trial in US history. He is on the wrong side.

I have no problem with a pastor speaking to a muslim organization. I would hope that he would use the opportunity to preach the gospel to them. I have no idea whether Warren preached the gospel or whether he issued "get-along verbage." As a preacher, I would LOVE to be able to address a group of muslims.... provided there are lots of body-guards present.

46 posted on 12/31/2009 10:30:10 AM PST by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: bmwcyle

he twists and turns too much for one to conclude he’s pure in motive.

maybe God who sees the hearts concludes otherwise; but from this vantage point, it appears above sentence to be logical.

should we say warren has been more personally opportunistic than gospel wise?


47 posted on 12/31/2009 10:31:06 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: freedomyes
some of them are so deeply hurt by betrayal betrayal from persons they have trusted and found self-centered in the end.

Understandable. However, I am appealing to them to express their pain in ways that are different from the way lefties express theirs.

48 posted on 12/31/2009 10:32:00 AM PST by Guyin4Os (My name says Guyin40s but now I have an exotic, daring, new nickname..... Guyin50s)
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To: Guyin4Os

if warren states that muslims and christians worship the same deity, i would not conclude that when speaking to muslims he says something about repenting one’s sins to Jesus, committing one’s entire life to Him, and thereby finding personal salvation.


49 posted on 12/31/2009 10:33:11 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Guyin4Os

i understand your point.

but i also understand the flip side, though it may be somewhat uncouth.


50 posted on 12/31/2009 10:34:01 AM PST by freedomyes
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