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Recommendations for a double-barreled, side-by-side, 12 gauge shotgun (vanity)

Posted on 01/01/2010 6:56:17 AM PST by bjorn14

I am thinking about getting a double-barreled, side-by-side shotgun 12 gauge shotgun for personal protection. Any recommendations? The government where I live would never approve of a handgun for "personal protection". I also may on occasion us it for bird hunting.


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1 posted on 01/01/2010 6:56:21 AM PST by bjorn14
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To: bjorn14

3 inch magnums.


2 posted on 01/01/2010 6:58:09 AM PST by rsobin
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To: bjorn14

Planning a wedding?


3 posted on 01/01/2010 6:58:29 AM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: bjorn14

Get a pump, cheaper, more capacity, and at a realistic price range, more reliable.

And yes, I do have a number of SXS shotguns.


4 posted on 01/01/2010 6:58:59 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: bjorn14

what sort of bird hunting? a 12 gauge is not gonna be of much use for sparrows...well, unless you are interested only in creating red feathery blotches all over...


5 posted on 01/01/2010 7:00:07 AM PST by stefanbatory (Weed out the RINOs! Sign the pledge. conservativepledge.org)
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To: bjorn14

Why a double?

Why not consider a nice, light and easy to shoot semi-auto? Or a good pump. Both types carry 5 rounds or over. For protection, if a gang or 3 or 4 murders enter your home, the double will leave you in serious trouble. And, many recent home attacks are made by this kind of perp.


6 posted on 01/01/2010 7:00:45 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: bjorn14
Slightly Illegal...

7 posted on 01/01/2010 7:01:18 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: bjorn14

A shorter-barrel pump (e.g., a “home defender” of some kind) is a superior choice to a SBS.

That is, unless you intend to chop off about a foot of the barrels of the SBS and make a heck of a scatter gun.


8 posted on 01/01/2010 7:01:27 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: bjorn14

Double barrel shot gun you have two shots. Get a used 12 guage Browning Auto-5 and you have five shots!


9 posted on 01/01/2010 7:02:30 AM PST by Doctor Don
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To: bjorn14
For the price either a Stoeger or the Russian Baikal. I have a 20” Baikal that I used when I was in Cowboy action shooting.
10 posted on 01/01/2010 7:04:35 AM PST by ZRicochet
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Get a pump, cheaper, more capacity, and at a realistic price range, more reliable.

Plus, you can reloaded it without breaking open the weapon.

11 posted on 01/01/2010 7:04:35 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: bjorn14

A pair of Purdys.

12 posted on 01/01/2010 7:04:59 AM PST by razorback-bert (Just call me mohhamed-bert when I am flying.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

How is a pump more reliable than a twice barrel? My Father had an old hammer double barrel gun. It had a habit of firing both barrels at the same time if both were cocked. That never happened to me but, it knocked one of my Uncles down and stuck stock first in a creek bank. :0)


13 posted on 01/01/2010 7:05:58 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: bjorn14

A bird gun is not a good home defense gun. If you must have just one shotgun, I recommend getting a Remington 870 with an 18-20” cylinder-bore barrel for home defense, and then get a longer barrel with changeable chokes for bird hunting.


14 posted on 01/01/2010 7:08:16 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: bjorn14

Remington SPR 453. Great price,takes a licking and keeps on ticking! Four screw in choke tubes.


15 posted on 01/01/2010 7:08:48 AM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: bjorn14

A 12 Ga. Mossburg pump will give you 5 shots (with plug removed) for less than the cost of a double barrel shotgun.
I have one. Excellent gun. Multiple removable chokes for different targets. And at gun shows, shotguns are still very reasonable price.

My next shotgun investment will be a 410. I am liking the tactical models with the folding stock that has a rack for ammo built in. It will fold up small enough to place in a truck door panel compartment.


16 posted on 01/01/2010 7:10:07 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Doctor Don

The A-5 will do the job and the humpback design aids in quick aiming in dim light. I own several.


17 posted on 01/01/2010 7:10:12 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: razorback-bert

with a Purdy good price attached, as in about 100k for those two.


18 posted on 01/01/2010 7:10:33 AM PST by ZRicochet
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To: razorback-bert

Very nice! I was in their shop in London in 2002. All I can say is wow. Literally, works of art.

On a grouse hunt in Wisconsin I met an anesthesiologist from Indianopolis with a pair of 20 Ga. Piottis; the pair was a bargain compared to Purdey, Boss or H&H. He used them on a driven shoot in Scotland prior to Wisconsin; a rough life.


19 posted on 01/01/2010 7:12:09 AM PST by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: bjorn14

You can get relatively inexpensive SxSs from Ithaca or Savage Arms, but for hunting, you’re better off with an over/under. And for personal protection, you’re better off with a a pump action.

If you have big bucks you may obtain an L.C. Smith. I’m not sure what Laura Prepon shoots, but I like to imaging (fantasize) she has one of these in her arsenal.


20 posted on 01/01/2010 7:12:57 AM PST by InternetTuffGuy
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To: seemoAR

I have a remington 12 semi-auto and she holds 5 rounds with the plug out. Get an extra barrel and saw off to 20 inches for home defense, and switch to original 26 to 28 inch for hunting
game. Double barrel not good defense weapon imho.


21 posted on 01/01/2010 7:13:25 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: Bryanw92

Bought my son a Rem 870 tactical pump for Christmas. Awesome gun. I agree this is the best platform for home defense. Of note, he fooled around at our skeet range with it and hit about 95%.


22 posted on 01/01/2010 7:15:48 AM PST by Matt Hatter
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Check out; www.pugsguns.com

This is the Puglisi Gun Emporium in Duluth, MN.

23 posted on 01/01/2010 7:15:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: bjorn14
12 gauge shotgun for personal protection.

If indeed personal protection is your purpose, consider a 20 gauge. Buy one that holds the maximum number of shells and has the shortest legal barrel length. After purchasing new or used and if you are handy, reduce the stock to a comfortable size closely resembling a long barreled pistol. However, use both hands and fire it from your hip for self defense. For a more professional appearance, pay a gun smith to do it to your specifications.

Keep it loaded and handy. This will be more than adequate for personal protection and only do minimal damage to walls, doors, and home fixtures with the added benefit of not harming neighbors.

24 posted on 01/01/2010 7:25:26 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Doctor Don
Get a used 12 guage Browning Auto-5 and you have five shots!

Get a new SA Saiga 12 for $450.

They usually come with a 5rnd mag but you can buy 8 and 12 rnd mag's. You can even get a 20rnd drum mag for it.

Some serious zombie stopping power!

25 posted on 01/01/2010 7:25:43 AM PST by LasVegasMac (Islam: Bringing the world death and destruction for 1400 years!)
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Mossberg 500 9 shot Someone broke into my car last night. Fortunately for them my motion detector light scared them off. I have got a Mossberg Home Defender with a super powerful LED flashlight bolted to the front of it. the one pictured holds 8 shells in the magazine and 1 in the chamber for a total of 9.
26 posted on 01/01/2010 7:29:31 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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My recommendation?

Dont limit yourself to 2 shells for self defense.


27 posted on 01/01/2010 7:31:28 AM PST by mylife (Obama is a fine orator, and Janet Napalitano is cunning linguist)
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You'll shoot your eye out

28 posted on 01/01/2010 7:33:31 AM PST by KeyLargo
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My personal like is a stage coach type double barrel with rabbit ear hammers. Any long gun is going to be tactically difficult to swing around in closed quarters, so short barrels are fine, you won't be shooting anything more than a few yards away. I like the rabbit ears as a positive visual that you are ready to go. At night you can also feel them in the dark well. Also if you come up against an intruder the visual of those two 12 gauge barrels and the sound of you clicking back those rabbit ears will do the trick. Why shoot if you don't have too. The sound of a pump action is also a scary thing. Question is to leave loaded or not. If not where are my shells? Get a stock holster that keeps the shells with the gun, unless you have kids (or a cajun spouse) around. SASS has some gunsmiths that will set up double barrels with slightly oversize receivers so you van load fast but gunsmithing isn't cheap. Whatever you buy, you’ll only be as good as you practice. But then, it's hard to miss with shotgun. I wouldn’t load up with double OO or slugs. You do not want to shoot through walls. 03 is my choice. Maybe one, the first barrel smaller shot than that. A load of squirrel shot will knock a person down but they have a good chance of surviving, if it just ticks ‘em off, the second barrel will end it. I have never had to actually shoot someone, but I have used the intimidation factor to ask them to leave. You do not want to clean up after a gun battle. Especially after a shotgun wound. Be safe!
29 posted on 01/01/2010 7:33:48 AM PST by dblshot
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To: ZRicochet

I havent seen the Baikals in ages.

They are well made though.


30 posted on 01/01/2010 7:33:57 AM PST by mylife (Obama is a fine orator, and Janet Napalitano is cunning linguist)
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To: HangnJudge

Theres that illegal shotgun again.


31 posted on 01/01/2010 7:36:26 AM PST by TLEIBY308 (Keep yer powder dry and watch yer top Knot.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

http://colegun.com/

This place is awesome!


32 posted on 01/01/2010 7:38:27 AM PST by mylife (Obama is a fine orator, and Janet Napalitano is cunning linguist)
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To: bjorn14

Mossberg 500 pump. Cheap, higher capacity, and can find lots of add-ons for it at reasonable prices. I would at least recommend the heat shield for the barrel, and maybe a folding pistol-grip stock.


33 posted on 01/01/2010 7:38:32 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: fireman15

I have that 590 but with a speed feed stock and a side saddle I put on it. It’s a great 12 gauge.


34 posted on 01/01/2010 7:39:47 AM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: dirtboy
Get a pump, cheaper, more capacity, and at a realistic price range, more reliable.

Plus, you can reloaded it without breaking open the weapon.

Plus, it makes the most intimidating sound known to man when you chamber a round.

35 posted on 01/01/2010 7:40:26 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: TLEIBY308

Under the National Firearms Act (NFA) it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a barrel length less than 18 in. or 46 cm and an overall length less than 26 inches) without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which requires a background check and a $200.00 fee for every transfer. However, if the weapon was manufactured by a licensed builder, with a short barrel and no stock, the transfer fee is $5. [1] (Short-barreled muzzleloading blackpowder shotguns, in contrast, are not illegal by federal law and require no tax-stamped permit, although they may be illegal under state law.) As with all NFA regulated firearms, a new tax stamp must be purchased before every transfer. Inter-state transfers must be facilitated through a Class III Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealer while intrastate transfers may be between two persons.[6]


36 posted on 01/01/2010 7:41:26 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: mylife

Nice looking shop...


37 posted on 01/01/2010 7:41:53 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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I visited it and lost 5 lbs in drool!


38 posted on 01/01/2010 7:42:56 AM PST by mylife (Obama is a fine orator, and Janet Napalitano is cunning linguist)
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Perhaps if your let go of your ignorance based fears of people less fortunate than yourself or of a different race than yourself you would not attract the type of negative energy where you feel the need to protect yourself. sarcasm/ I think I just made myself throw up in my mouth.

39 posted on 01/01/2010 7:43:36 AM PST by DogBarkTree
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If you should stumble across a used Stevens model 311 snap it up. Absolute best value for the money; you will fall in love with it. Have a gunsmith check it out for you. You might try some of the auction sites.


40 posted on 01/01/2010 7:44:47 AM PST by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - James Bond to P. Galore in "Goldfinger".)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; mylife
If you're looking for a quality USA made double, check out Connecticut Shotgun Mfg.

www.connecticutshotgun.com

Their RBL model is quite affordable compared to many production european guns. This is a 16 gauge I had them build for me this summer.

41 posted on 01/01/2010 7:47:50 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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Beautiful


42 posted on 01/01/2010 7:49:10 AM PST by mylife (Obama is a fine orator, and Janet Napalitano is cunning linguist)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I own an L. C. Smith but its nothing like this...


43 posted on 01/01/2010 7:49:50 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: razorback-bert
Those Purdy’s are pretty.....are they yours or wishful thinking

I am a woman who finds beauty in guns.....

44 posted on 01/01/2010 7:52:56 AM PST by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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To: dblshot

You are correct about the stage coach double barrel it is perfect for home defense.

Loaded with the shot size two rounds is all you need. I have one next to my bed.

However the sound of a Remington pump being cycled will put the fear of God into anyone!

I have one of those as well.


45 posted on 01/01/2010 7:54:08 AM PST by tiger63
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To: OKSooner

I have a 311A 20Ga taken apart on my table as I type.......

It had a stuck firing pin (it’s 40+ years old, and has two notches in the stock.

The problem I’m having is putting it back together!


46 posted on 01/01/2010 7:58:34 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: fireman15

Exceptional choice.

Nothing says “get the hell out of my house” like charging the pump on a 12 guage......

RLTW


47 posted on 01/01/2010 7:59:53 AM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: bjorn14

I find CZ to be excellent quality for the price:

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/ringneck-custom-gradecase-hardened/


48 posted on 01/01/2010 8:04:27 AM PST by artichokegrower
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I must have been mistaken. I thought reliable in a gun meant pull the trigger and it goes bang. I don't care if a gun has 120 barrels and holds 12000 rounds. It is still no more reliable than a double barrel imho. ;0)
49 posted on 01/01/2010 8:16:57 AM PST by seemoAR (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, dazzle them with bull.)
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To: bjorn14
If you want cheap. look at Stoeger, and guns made in Turkey or Russia [but sold by U.S companies]. HOWEVER, you'd be better off with a Remington 870 pump [or a Mossberg 500 or 590. Usually MUCH cheaper than side by sides [good ones anyway].

Also, if smaller family members are going to use the gun for home defense, look at 20 gage, and spending more on a semi-auto [less kick].

If you still want traditional, look at over/unders as opposed to side by side. Easier for newbies to shoot [sets up sighting like a rifle].

As for bird hunting, gage depends on birds. I usually use a 20 for pheasant, 12 for goose. And bear in mind, most bird guns have longer barrels [not good for maneuvering in a house] than dedicated home defense guns[usually 18” barrel].

Good luck!

50 posted on 01/01/2010 8:17:36 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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