Posted on 01/01/2010 3:27:29 PM PST by William Tell 2
SEC is going south in the bowls...
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Before Saban and for a few years under Arnsbarger LSU has always been an average team.
“Yes SEC fans will always have a ready excuse for any game they lose.”
5 national championships in 11 years including 3 in a row (two of which were embarrasing stompings of THE Ohio State)..
We don’t have to make excuses...Ohio State has to play a PAC-10 team with two loses to finally get a bowl win...An Oregon team that was beaten by Boise State and gave up 51 points to Stanford, who got beat in their bowl by a 5 loss OU team.
“LSU lost because of Miles. He is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. LSU is loaded with talent, but they will never be more than a 8-4 or 9-3 team with Miles.”
Yeah, it had NOTHING to do with Penn State at all. Right. Is there a coach who is better at preparing his team for a bowl game than Joe Paterno?
How about them Buckeyes?
I really admire Poppa Joe, but if you had seen any of the football postings this year, you would have seen that I have claimed ALL year that LSU was over-ranked (and I am an SEC fan).
The fact is, LSU is ranked 107th in offsense, and that is AWFUL...I don’t believe LSU should have been in a New Year’s Day bowl with Penn State (who I thought would beat them by 20)..they either should NOT have been in a bowl, or in one of the mid Dec ones.
I was surprised at how anemic LSU's offense looked (actually didnt' realize that ranking). If Penn State had converted in the red zone that game would've been a comfortable win instead of a nailbiter.
I use the website:
NCAA.com -The Offical Website Of NCAA Champions -Statistics.
Even though stats don’t tell the whole story, over time they are helpful to determine how good a team may REALLY be.
There is a section for Total Offense, Red Zone Scoring, team defense, etc...it will not surprise you to know that the top THREE teams in the country have have been ranked 1, 2, and 3 in total defense all year.
Turned out to be a good game.I loved the field conditions!
Your comments actually pretty much prove what I said of SEC fans. In many ways they act like modern day leftist. The original poster was making the point that Utah beat Alabama and no SEC fans gave Utah any credit for that win. That point has not been refuted at all by SEC person.
They didn’t give Utah credit because they knew the truth...where is Utah this year, and where is Bama?
It was a fluke period.
Utah was beaten by BYU this year, and BYU was killed by a 6-6 Florida State...ONE FRICKIN’ bowl game win does not make Utah a team at the same level of a top SEC team...
Again, to prove my point about let downs...a few years ago a surprising Fresno State was undfeated and was beating USC (then ranked #1) in the fourth quarter...USC got two quick scores to beat Fresno....Fresno wanted that game SO MUCH...Fresno then lost their next four games.
That is what happened with Bama last year...
Florida, likewise lost to Michigan after being #1 and losing the SEC Championship game...after losing to Bama in this year’s game, Tebow said they would NOT have that type of let down again...
So how is that UNDEFEATED Cinncy doing? They, like Utah, are from a weaker conference and are UNDEFEATED...so far it is 37-10.
Classless SEC fan alert....see previous post.
“Classless SEC fan alert....see previous post.”
And your post is typical of a Ohio State fan...the ONLY way THE Ohio State team can win a bowl is if they DON’T play an SEC team...
Thought I would pile a little of that classless stuff on you....as a sportwriter said after the last time OSU was trounced by an SEC team in the big game: “Ohio State should be banned from the BCS Championship game if the opponent is from the SEC.”
Just a “classless” sportswriter....if you say you believe Utah was not really that good, and the game was a fluke, then a fan of THE Ohio State will call you classless...
Facts are facts...one game does NOT prove anything...and you and the Utah defenders want to claim that it does...where both teams are this year, proves MY point...but if I offer my reasoning, you label it classless...how sensitive you OSU fans are.
If you went to the blog you’ll see that is exactly what I wrote.
They did win by the same point spread Fla won against Ohio St in 2007. Cincy has a lot of holes to fill.
Fla won by 27 points. 51 to 26.
So what?
3 years ago Fla won 41 to 14 against Ohio St. That was also 27 points and the BCS Championship game. Ohio St wasn’t burdened by their head coach and interim head coach both leaving.
That same season Michigan lost to USC 32-18.
Is the Big 10 a weak conference.
This season the PAC 10 has lost 5 of 7 bowl games. The only 2 they won were against Temple and Boston College.
Is the PAC 10 a weak conference?
At least the Big East is 2-2 .500 the same as the SEC.
“Is the Big 10 a weak conference?”
Yes.... The year that a two loss LSU stomped them, by year’s end they had played only ONE top twenty team..of course they did beat Akron and Youngstown State that year...the Big Ten overall has been weak for about 10 years..thus, the bowl victory losing streak....the problem for the Big Ten is that for many years there was only two caliber teams in the conference, (Ohio State and Michigan). It has improved over the years, but still, to go undefeated in the Big Ten is not that difficult. Ohio State, in my view, is better this year...they are ranked 5th in total defense, and it showed in the bowl.
“Is the PAC 10 a weak conference?”
Yes...They have only one team in the top twenty in total defense, and have the last place team (Wash St) dead last in all of bowl division, while the SEC has four in the top twenty....they lost most of their out of conference games this year (although USC was able to beat Ohio State).
Now, as to your “So what” regarding Florida killing Cinncy...you are missing my point..There are too many in the nation who believe “undefeated” means “best”. Cinncy was ranked HIGHER than Florida...yet got the crap kicked out of them by the second place SEC team.
“Undefeated” only means something if the team has played a tough schedule, and if they win impressively....Cinncy BARELY beat some opponents...it was just a matter of time before they got beat...Ohio State would have beaten them as well...they should not have been ranked that high..
So the same “undefeated” crowd claim TCU and Boise should be in the big game...take the time to look at the WHOLE schedule..so who they beat, but what margin, and then you will see that ALL these teams suffered bigger loses to other teams through out the year..
Big East is an improved conference...no doubt about it..However, when we start this “number of wins in bowls” please keep in mind whether the wins are in major bowls, or the also ran bowls..strength of conference needs to be measured to some extent by whether the majority of the games are early mid December, or in the BIG games.
SEC going south? No. They are in the south. That headline, though, sounds like someone who is tired of having his hopes dashed by the likes of Florida, Alabama and LSU.
I forgot to include Tennessee......BCS National Champions by conference (1998–present)
Conference Championships Schools BCS Championship Game Record
SEC 5 Tennessee (1998), LSU (2003, 2007), Florida (2006, 2008) 5-0 (1.000)
Big 12 2 Oklahoma (2000), Texas (2005) 2-4 (0.333)
Pac-10 1 USC (2004) 1-1 (0.500)
Big Ten 1 Ohio State (2002) 1-2 (0.333)
ACC 1 Florida State (1999) 1-2 (0.333)[91] (2-4 current alignment)
Big East 1 Miami (2001) 1-2 (0.333)[91] (0-0 current alignment)
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“Now, as to your “So what” regarding Florida killing Cinncy...you are missing my point..There are too many in the nation who believe “undefeated” means “best”. Cinncy was ranked HIGHER than Florida...yet got the crap kicked out of them by the second place SEC team.”
If Alabama was adversely affected during their Utah game why can’t you say Cincy was adversely affected during the Florida game. After all, they lost their coach at the end of the season AND lost their interim coach just before the bowl game. That obviously affected their play.
BTW LSU was ranked higher than Penn St. Alabama higher than Utah.
I haven’t taken the time to analyze the Big East’s bowl wins during the past several years. There is an SEC Big East game today though.
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