Skip to comments.Cloward-Pivenís Inherent Self-Contradiction
Posted on 01/05/2010 4:31:08 PM PST by reasonisfaith
With enactment of their policies, liberals never fail to accomplish the opposite of their stated goal. Its been said before, and heres more proof.
Richard Cloward and Frances Piven are known for their strategy to overwhelm the welfare state with impossible demands in order to establish a crisis that would eventually bring down the entire government. At the point of collapse, an imaginary better government would be able to take over. Of course, their agenda was nothing more than another leftist scheme to establish a utopia
So they activated themselves and trained many underlingsone of whom now occupies the White Housewith the goal of increasing numbers of welfare recipients. The more people on welfare the better, according to their strategy. To be precise, Piven was using the poor for her own severely narcissistic fantasy.
Now, if you remember a little something about welfare, youll recall that it snares its victims into poverty, rather than rescuing them from it. And Frances Piven can write in her memoirs that she was responsible for diverting untold numbers of unsuspecting Americans (many of them blacks and Hispanics) into a life of welfare dependence and poverty. Think of ittheir children and grandchildren were born into the gift of poverty, courtesy of Frances Piven.
Go forth, and occupy the glorious housing projects we have provided for you, was Pivens directive to the objects of her experiment.
So there you have it. Piven devoted her life, as do all progressives, to the claim of wanting to help the poor. But she accomplished the precise opposite.
Generations of death, destruction and despair, thanks to Frances Piven and her followers.
But is that really the strategy pursued by Obama today? Isn't it just more Chicago politics? Increase the number of clients and you increase your vote. Nothing about a system breakdown or a breakthrough to a new order, just big city politics as usual.
“To be precise, Piven was using the poor for her own severely narcissistic fantasy.”
They all use the poor. That’s why the ghetto is still the ghetto. As big of a disaster now, if not bigger, than when Elvis sang about it.
But you forget that liberals actually think that the poor are somehow better off if there are no rich.
The agenda of every leftist is driven at its deepest level by pride and envy.
If Piven herself were to be elected president, she would compromise her initial agenda in favor of maintaining personal power.
And although we can see this happening to some extent with Obama, he’s doing a pretty good job of sticking to the initial plan for system breakdown.
I think you’re probably right, but I don’t understand it enough to know how it fits in with the rest of the picture.
Cloward, Richard; Piven, Frances (May 2, 1966). "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty". New York: The Nation.
I don’t agree with the “victim” angle. People sit around on welfare because that’s what they do. Anyone can make that choice, just stop being responsible and let their personal dodo hit the fan. They can also make the choice to take care of themselves, there are no traps. Our own personal destiny is always up to us.
It’s all about “equality”. They know that there is no way to make everyone rich so they will settle for making everyone else poor (except the liberal elite, of course).
I don’t have the article, but would like to see it. I’d also like to see the photo of Hillary with Cloward-Piven.
Let me know if you ever find them.
It is not “that liberals actually think that the poor are somehow better off if there are no rich.” They think of the poor as different than they themselves are. A different class of people, with a lack of intelligence, education, wisdom, breeding, class AND the money to live well. But of course they will employ them to wash their cars, mow the lawns, or even build their houses. They simply do not want them occupying the social strata alongside THEM. The kindest thing is to allow them to settle for dependence, it is how they iz happiest. The bestest thing to does wit da po is gives dem direck shun and housin, with a o not they bees cuh luhd or jes white trash. Dats da fax
You make a fair point.
But human nature is what it is. I believe welfare, to a very significant extent, discourages achievement and brings misery.
If this were not true, we wouldn’t have a reason to oppose it in the first place.
My above post is not to demean any class of people or race, it is truly what I believe liberals/socialists/Marxists/Democrats of today are motivated by. They want to protect those “lower” and unable to do for themselves.
Liberals are motivated by the desire to protect their view of themselves, and by their desire to feed their own envy.
She had no intention of ever helping the poor. She wanted power over people, and it was falsely camouflaged as something that would help the common man. Make no mistake about it, people like Frances Piven had or have no more intention of helping people, than Elena Ceucescu did.
Liberals believe it’s all about tearing down the injustice to build a better world. They are too stupid to see or understand or admit the utter inability of collectivism to “build” anything except destruction.
Leftists, however, know it’s nothing less than total war against the U.S. - the goal is simply to destroy the country, for international, global collectivist warfare purposes.
To Leftists, liberals are Stalin’s useful idiots, while liberals think Leftists are their Best Friends Forever. Seeing them together is like watching a rattlesnake hiding underneath a full-diapered, stinking toddler who’s screaming “no “.
More on the motivation of Cloward-Piven.
Although they claim to oppose greed, Cloward-Piven (and others of their political persuasion) are themselves very greedygreedy for intellect. That is, they are not happy with the intellect they have, and constantly want more. Not that they can obtain more—what I mean to say is that their activism is inspired by a state of mind which arises from a deep sense of resentment over their perception of their own intellectual deficits.
When there is finally the crisis. Then the Statist collectivist elitist takeover.
Is nothing more than slow-motion Anarchy
When there is finally the crisis.
Then the Statist collectivist elitist takeover.
I don’t oppose the idea of safety nets, as long as it’s the state that is providing it because I don’t believe that the power to operate compulsory social programs is granted to the Federal govt in the Constitution. People can find themselves down on their luck and I think it is moral for the state to help them, can’t watch people starving in the streets.
I oppose the idea of it as a way of life, however, and that is what the C/P strategy is about. But they have to have people willing to sit there on it. My life is a story of rags to upper middle class and I didn’t get there by choosing to sit around on handouts all my life, nor did I ever take any, although as a young single mom at one point, I could have.
Wanting to control others is big with liberals.
Sad but true.
The question remains—at the takeover, will Cloward-Piven be among those shot immediately, or will their murder at the hands of the dictator have to wait until later when, inevitably, they cross him?
And the stinking toddler, Frances Piven, will not escape the rattlesnake’s fangs.
If she’s still around for the takeover.
The question remainsat the takeover, will Cloward-Piven be among those shot immediately, or will their murder at the hands of the dictator have to wait until later when, inevitably, they cross him?
Usually the Useful idiots are immediately terminated,
as they know too much and are no longer useful.
You have a point. The liberal elite DO see themselves as smarter, better informed, more enlightened, and generally of a higher social strata than everyone else, especially conservatives, who they regard as stupid, bible thumping, gun loving, sister marrying neanderthals.
And that leads to a dangerous condition, one where liberals actually believe that ordinary people are not capable of making decisions for themselves so they will simply enslave all the people and think for them.
Actually, the Cloward-Piven strategy does seem to be poised to accomplish one of its stated goals quite successfully: tearing down an existing government. So in that respect, it would seem to be working perfectly.
WHAT!!! ELITIST WHITE LIBERAL FEMALE ENSLAVES BLACKS AND HISPANICS TO GENERATIONAL POVERTY?????????. And Frances Piven can write in her memoirs that she was responsible for diverting untold numbers of unsuspecting Americans (many of them blacks and Hispanics) into a life of welfare dependence and poverty. Think of ittheir children and grandchildren were born into the gift of poverty, courtesy of Frances Piven. ONE WONDERS WHEN THE BLACK RACE IS GOING TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES.
“tearing down an existing government”
But in truth, this is not their most important goal.
The most important goal of Cloward, Piven, Alinsky or Lucifer himself is self-aggrandizement. In this they will ultimately lose.
And the only way they have advanced their agenda (the lesser agenda of the overthrow of capitalism) is by concealing it completely from view, while accomplishing the opposite of each particular policy issue along the way (such as poverty, feminism, environment, and the rest).
So their victory is both backwards and stolen, demonstrating the fact that their ideology has zero, or even negative, intrinsic value. And what comes as a devastating defeat for the Cloward-Pivens is that none of them have either the intellect to understand this or the courage to face it.
I think the very hardest times I have ever had keeping my word was when I opened my mouth while “feeling no pain”. Usually it involved helping a friend move, once it was a promise to get up in the AM and leave the state forever....the worst part of that was, I had to drive across two states to get home when I sobered up.....and no, I didn’t drive drunk. I fell asleep in my car in South Dakota, I woke up on the far side of Iowa, and boy did my head hurt....and my ego when my friends saw me that next night.
Ow! Ow! Ow!
Richard Clower, the older man in a gray suit to her left (as you face the picture, to the right.)
All of their articles, including th famous Cloward-Piven article "Teh Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" (May 2, 1966) are available on a searchable digital archive, but unfortunately, only to subscribers.
An ghetto is a valuable piece of real estate. More of mankind’s wealth has come out of it than out of any castle — and castles and ghettos are similar in many ways.
I do believe the Pivens of the world, though misguided, are not entirely benign in their endeavors.
Although many can’t chew with the teeth of the dragon, they are are marked with the slithery scales and pierced by the terrible spirit of envy, quietly taking pleasure when the innocent are scalded by fiery breath.
They look away from the blackness of their own hearts, hiding from it in egalitarianism and “social justice.”
I pray they find strength and wisdom, and that it leads them to the only path of salvation. (I found it, and I’m just as guilty as they are.)
I guess that explains all the expensive trashed out streets and vacant, windowless buildings.
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