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FIRST TIME IN U.S. HISTORY THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
The Post & Email ^ | Jan. 5, 2010 | P. Patriot

Posted on 01/06/2010 6:30:17 AM PST by SvenMagnussen

(Jan. 5, 2010) — The Post & Email can publicly confirm that on the first of December, last, U.S. Congressman Nathan Deal (GA-R) challenged the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency.

Todd Smith, Chief of Staff for Representative Nathan Deal of the United States House of Representatives serving Georgia’s 9th district, has confirmed today that Deal has sent a letter to Barack Hussein Obama requesting him to prove his eligibility for the office of President of the United States of America. The letter was sent electronically the first of December 2009 in pdf format, and Mr. Smith said that Representative Deal has confirmation from Obama’s staff that it has been received. The letter did not have additional signatories. It originated solely from Representative Deal.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: barackhusseinobama; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; deal; dontstepintroll; drew68troll; eligibility; fraud; liar; nathandeal; nonsequitertroll; obama; puppet; putativepresident; trollsonfr; usurper; whoisyourdaddy; whoseyourdaddy; whosyourdaddy
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To: El Sordo
I personally think that if the founders had elaborated on this issue, they probably would have explicitly stated that an NBC would need two citizen parents.

The founders didn't need to elaborate. To them, "natural-born citizen" was a term of art with a settled definition:

“The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

Book I, Chapter XIX, part 212, of Emerich de Vattel's Law of Nations.

The Law of Nations was used as a guide and reference by the Founders while drafting the Constitution. Their personal letters are filled with references to it.

The Supreme Court also cited Vattel repeatedly. It's considered one of the references to determine "original intent".

But, the Supreme Court apparently doesn't want to settle this particular issue, and would rather let it play out in the political arena.

301 posted on 01/06/2010 2:22:08 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: tired_old_conservative
Discussing with you is a joke. You avoid all questions you don't like and try and divert the focus to unrelated issues. The fact Remains Obama can get a copy of his original birth certificate from Hawaii. Do you agree yes or no?

Do you find it odd that Hawaii will not answer what date filed and date accepted mean?

Do you not find the timing of the Homelands change of requiring a long form to be June 2009 when the Obama issue heated up? Since Hawaii went “paperless” in 2001 why the wait?

Do you know why a long form is desirable over a short form?

Did you know the State Department will not accept short form BC’s from California, Texas and some other areas for passport applications? Why? If Obamas Hawaii BC is shown to be problematic, do you think the State Department will put them on the same list?

I realize you are old and tired, but use some common sense and logic please, this is not DU where emotions and subterfuge rule the day.
regards
rs

302 posted on 01/06/2010 2:24:23 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Representative Deal is not a “Birther”; rather, he is a “Truther”

Wait, what?

303 posted on 01/06/2010 2:25:12 PM PST by Kleon
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To: curiosity
I seriously doubt Obama or any member of his family regularly reads either UPI or the rainbow newsletter.

We finally agree on something, I seriously doubt some of his family read much other than the Kenya Times or the post office wanted posters.

304 posted on 01/06/2010 2:26:32 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: MHGinTN

Mods taking sides is a fast way to ruin any forum, just sayin’, especially when everyone knows the mods real FReeper name.


305 posted on 01/06/2010 2:52:31 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: MHGinTN

He is an ugly ole cuss isn’t he? Geek. Major geek. LOL


306 posted on 01/06/2010 2:54:04 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: stockpirate; parsifal; LucyT

parsifal isn’t a troll. He just thinks Orly is silly. I wouldn’t include him in that group, he’s a nice guy, the rest are a’holes


307 posted on 01/06/2010 2:55:48 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: mojitojoe; parsifal

Yeah. He *is* a nice guy.

Lucy, who has a crush on parsifal, too.


308 posted on 01/06/2010 2:58:50 PM PST by LucyT
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To: curiosity
Repeating the same falsehood over and over again will not make it true.

Are you sure about that? What if I put on my Ruby Red slippers, close my eyes, and click my heels three times? I bet that would make it so. ;-p

309 posted on 01/06/2010 3:10:54 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Honesty, Character, & Loyalty still matter)
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To: Non-Sequitur
...no evidence supporting your scenario...

What's your scenario and supporting evidence?
310 posted on 01/06/2010 3:11:04 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Art in Idaho
He got a security clearance by being elected to office!
There is no requirement for a security clearance to run for federal offices like Congressman, Senator or President ! Let me say that again there is NO REQUIREMENT for this. The only requirement is citizenship and probably the filing fee. You get a security clearance by winning the election. The Constitution allows the voter to be a colossal fool and put an absolute traitor in office if the voter is so inclined. Why do you think there is a requirement?

Again think about it, no professional politician would ever allow the federal clearance process to be a gateway to office. Remember during the clearance investigation process, the investigating agency is required by law to report any illegalities it might uncover to the appropriate authorities. What modern American professional politician would put himself in such a potentially compromising position?

311 posted on 01/06/2010 3:14:17 PM PST by Reily (overning)
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To: Art in Idaho
Such obfuscation I would expect from this guy


312 posted on 01/06/2010 3:15:21 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: lucysmom
For the same reason your records are sealed - privacy laws.

You don't know if his records are sealed. There are records available for millions of people in this country.
313 posted on 01/06/2010 3:15:45 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: justlurking
The Law of Nations was used as a guide and reference by the Founders while drafting the Constitution. Their personal letters are filled with references to it.

Yet the Congressional record from 1967 (and many other sources) claim that English Common Law was the foundation for the Constitution. Explicit references to the Law of Nations was needed for specific issues because that was the exception, NOT the norm.

For issues that were not specifically stated or referenced as "from the Law of Nations" it was understood that it was based on English Common Law. And that would include citizenship. And English Common Law holds that if you are born on English soil, you are a natural born citizen - regardless of the citizenship of your parents.

314 posted on 01/06/2010 3:15:51 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Red Steel
The Natural Born Citizen clause is about having a single allegiance to the United States. It's all about allegiances or lack-of to other countries. No amount of obfuscation is going to change it. When the courts ever get serious about the true intent and meaning -- the conclusion is obvious.

Indeed, "It's all about allegiances..."

And what better way to guard against dual loyalties than that a perspective Presidents parent's BOTH be American citizens, at his/her birth?

Does this mean that a native born citizen or even a naturalized citizen wouldn't make a good president?

Of course not!

However, it eliminates many who could be influenced by a parent(s) who is loyal to a foreign power.

It's like "profiling" the Muslim terrorist.

All Muslims are NOT terrorist but almost all terrorist are Muslims.

The Natural Born Citizen directive in the constitution is a security issue intended to insulate the executive branch against ANYONE who would be less than 100% devoted to the interest of "the People" of the United States.

STE=Q

315 posted on 01/06/2010 3:16:02 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: SvenMagnussen

A little more serious than the mild anti-incumbent sentiment expected after a tough year.


316 posted on 01/06/2010 3:18:29 PM PST by alrea
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To: GYPSY286

I said the same thing to my wife today. Lots of Democrats running away when they now have the veto-proof majority? It doesn’t make sense unless something is about to break.


317 posted on 01/06/2010 3:19:32 PM PST by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Lower55
I am pretty sure that is Internet myth!
It supposedly happened during a debate with Keyes
Keyes has NEVER acknowledged that Obama made such a statement! I think since he was a plaintiff on one of the eligibility suits he would have mentioned it & provided documentation.

I am sure that somewhere there is a transcript of that debate, again if Obama had made such a statement it would broadcast everywhere.

318 posted on 01/06/2010 3:19:53 PM PST by Reily (overning)
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To: azishot

I agree. He is one cool little dude.


319 posted on 01/06/2010 3:20:24 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA))
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To: rxsid

Yes, I agree with your evaluation. But, I will not get my hopes up over this.


320 posted on 01/06/2010 3:23:37 PM PST by mel
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To: mojitojoe

I’m not a fan or Orly’s either but I’m hardly a troll ;)

It’s the birth certificate- but it’s soooo many other unknowns about his past. The bc has also become symbolic of all we don’t know..the worst part is- the more we do know-the creepier it gets..


321 posted on 01/06/2010 3:23:53 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SMARTY

Sorry, I just don’t see that happening. He still has the same approval numbers as Clinton and he got reelected.


322 posted on 01/06/2010 3:23:59 PM PST by mel
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To: curiosity
Hawaii's Governor Lingle said that Obama spent only a few years in Hawaii during his high school years, and that his claim of Hawaii as one of his home states is disingenuous.
323 posted on 01/06/2010 3:35:45 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
So?
324 posted on 01/06/2010 3:38:57 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Non-Sequitur
It does not define the term

So, do you always go to the Constitution to find definitions of terms? Good luck, because you won't find very many terms defined in the Constitution.
325 posted on 01/06/2010 3:43:33 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: curiosity

Are you seriously alleging that the entire Hawaii Department of Health is in on some grand conspiracy to cover up Barry’s original place of birth?

Are you seriously alleging that is beyond the realm of possibility? The utter lack of information that we have about the mystery man indicates that a lot of individuals as well as governmental bodies have been hard at work to foist this guy on a dumbed down American population. If the press had devoted 1% of the energy they expended trashing Sarah Palin on exposing the lies of our _resident, he (Barry) would not be in the position he now enjoys. And aren’t we on friendly terms with the _resident?


326 posted on 01/06/2010 3:44:34 PM PST by Josephat
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To: curiosity
I have, and I can say with confidence that there is no evidence...

Obviously you are not very good at doing your homework.
327 posted on 01/06/2010 3:45:53 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: SvenMagnussen; nicollo
First time?

PREPARE TO ATTACK STATUS OF HOOVER; Foes in Congress About Ready to Question Publicly His Eligibility for Presidency. DISCUSS RESIDENCE CLAUSE Moses Makes Light of 14-Year Provision in Constitution as Applying to Secretary. RUMORS ON NATURALIZATION These Whispers Refer to Time in India When Hoover Was Urged to Become a Briton.

By RICHARD V. OULAHAN.Special to The New York Times.

December 20, 1927, Tuesday

Page 20, 1482 words

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DOUBT ELIGIBILITY OF HOOVER IN 1928; Some Senators Raise Question of His Having Been Resident of Country 14 Years. DOUBT ELIGIBILITY OF HOOVER IN 1928

Special to The New York Times.

December 19, 1927, Monday

Page 1, 656 words

________________

Hoover lived in Britain for years. His opponents read the 14 year residency requirement in the Constitution as "14 consecutive years immediately prior to becoming President" rather than "14 total years in one life," and claimed to have found his name on London voting rolls.

Hoover wasn't yet President when these charges were made, but they were made on the floor of Congress.

Probably this should have been thrashed out before Obama entered the White House, so we could deal with other stuff now.

328 posted on 01/06/2010 3:50:30 PM PST by x
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To: curiosity
Actually, that is exactly what was stated.

So?
329 posted on 01/06/2010 3:50:33 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: x; SvenMagnussen; nicollo
Very interesting.

Especially this part:

"RUMORS ON NATURALIZATION These Whispers Refer to Time in India When Hoover Was Urged to Become a Briton. "

Ironically, Barry actually WAS a Briton at birth.

330 posted on 01/06/2010 3:55:07 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: All
0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.

Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.


331 posted on 01/06/2010 3:56:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: curiosity

You obviously have the president you deserve.

Congratulations.


332 posted on 01/06/2010 3:56:08 PM PST by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance: Will Rogers)
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To: Reily

He said we are not talking about presidential election.


333 posted on 01/06/2010 3:56:29 PM PST by mel
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To: SvenMagnussen; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


334 posted on 01/06/2010 3:58:36 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Art in Idaho
How did he get a Security Clearance? Does he have one?

He likely doesn't have one. Congressmen, including US Senators, don't need them. Neither do occupants of the oval office. But no one has to tell or show them anything unless they ask, very specifically, for the information.

Very specifically indeed. :)

335 posted on 01/06/2010 4:09:21 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SvenMagnussen

It’s about time one of our law makers took his head out of the sand!


336 posted on 01/06/2010 4:14:09 PM PST by vigilante2 (2232)
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To: mel
Do you have a transcript of that debate where that was stated?
337 posted on 01/06/2010 4:18:07 PM PST by Reily (overning)
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To: opentalk
Good, the well-informed and honest Freepers are coming out!

There are about a dozen articles, including the Herlihy paper, starting in 2005, meaning they were conceived in 2004 or before, addressing the natural born citizen provision. What is notable about all of them is revealed by doing a search in each of them for citations by Chief Justice John Marshall, Waite, Hamilton, Story, Kent, Bingham, or any reference to Vattel (Law of Nations was the most cited legal reference in the U.S. between 1789 and 1820; Grotian Society Papers 1972). They usually depend upon the confusion created by Wong Kim Ark, quoting the Nationality Act of 1790, repealed in 1795, and talk lots about globalism. They hint at planning for an ineligible presidential candidate. That is a long shot, because most of them accept a living constitution.

Please don't be a stranger. Free Republic seems to have become a playground for Obama supporters.

338 posted on 01/06/2010 4:27:13 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: jackv
I live in the real world thank goodness.

That's debatable.

339 posted on 01/06/2010 4:28:16 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Red Steel
Your position is absurd though.

Birthers all think that.

340 posted on 01/06/2010 4:29:12 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Brown Deer
So, do you always go to the Constitution to find definitions of terms? Good luck, because you won't find very many terms defined in the Constitution.

And yet all you Birthers are convinced that the Constitution does define natural-born citizen. It doesn't, it merely identifies the two forms of citizenship. What constitutes atural-born citizenship status is established by federal statues.

341 posted on 01/06/2010 4:32:28 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Reily
Call me naive, but I thought somebody would check into their background, even covertly, the CIA or FBI. My God, the person is going to be POTUS! I know I had a huge background check when I went into the USAF, I assumed they did too. Oh well, live and learn.
342 posted on 01/06/2010 4:34:16 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: curiosity

Yes, what’s a Constitution anyway? All those nifty countries that don’t have one, we should be like them don’t you think? Let’s just let a complete fraud and his Ci-cago thugs trash the thing. Let Soros reign, having done it in.


343 posted on 01/06/2010 4:36:22 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

“I contacted the Georgia congressman’ office this morning...”

I did the same and I’m not a constituent. I commended the congressman on his moral courage.

Every Freeper should do the same!


344 posted on 01/06/2010 4:39:11 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Even World News Daily admitted that was a fraud.

Got a link to the article where they said this? They were doubtful, back when the document was only seen on a fuzzy video. And somewhat jealous, since they'd been trying to get a Kenyan BC for some time. But all or most of their arguments have been refuted. For example they say the doctor never practiced in that hospital, but evidence, in the form of technical papers authored by him, indicating that he did for a time. Same with the name of the place, which they said didn't have that name in '61, but which it's now been shown that it did.

But be that as it may, it is still evidence. Evidence that, unlike the images shown of a supposed CoLB, has been entered into the record in a court of law, and not refuted. (The court never got around to looking any evidence, and the defense never submitted any counter evidence).

345 posted on 01/06/2010 4:39:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: BobMcCartyWrites

“I contacted the Georgia congressman’s office this morning...”

I did the same and I’m not a constituent. I commended the congressman on his moral courage.

Every Freeper should do the same!


346 posted on 01/06/2010 4:39:57 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Joe Marine 76

Wasn’t Rep. Linder from Georgia supposed to have raised an objection/request for clarification about BO’s eligibility when the electoral votes were certified by Congress in January 2009?


347 posted on 01/06/2010 4:42:32 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Place of Birth....Honolulu, Hawaii"

Probably what Stanley Ann told Lolo. Doesn't make it true. But it also doesn't matter.

348 posted on 01/06/2010 4:46:25 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: thecodont

You’re right... at least Deal followed through.


349 posted on 01/06/2010 4:51:15 PM PST by Joe Marine 76 (Semper Fi!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

That’s a good one!! What are you, 6 or 7??

Poor poor thing!


350 posted on 01/06/2010 4:51:15 PM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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