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FIRST TIME IN U.S. HISTORY THAT A SITTING PRESIDENTíS ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
The Post & Email ^ | Jan. 5, 2010 | P. Patriot

Posted on 01/06/2010 6:30:17 AM PST by SvenMagnussen

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To: Drew68; All

“The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a ‘native’ citizen of the United States of America.”

Obama may not have personally said it, but fight the ‘smears’ does

http://www.fightthesmears.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

STE=Q


151 posted on 01/06/2010 11:00:59 AM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Josephat
No evidence supporting Obama’s claim either, about ANYTHING.

Nothing except Hawaii's vital records, which say he was born in Honolulu.

152 posted on 01/06/2010 11:04:51 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Lower55
Would it really matter to you? Because the source and quote has been posted numerous times. It hasn’t affected you so far.

It would help.

153 posted on 01/06/2010 11:07:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stockpirate
Recent polls indicate that over 40% of conservatives support the birther issue.

Obama's loving it. He's got 40% of his opposition tilting at windmills instead of doing something that could actually make a difference. Congratulations, birthers.

154 posted on 01/06/2010 11:08:01 AM PST by curiosity
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To: LucyT
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. Name: Barry Soetoro Religion: .... Islam Nationality: ..... Indonesian
155 posted on 01/06/2010 11:08:58 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Lower55
Yep, he did. But he didn’t say Natural Born, because he is not.

And of course you can point to the clause in the Constitution that defines natural-born?

Also, there are articles saying he was Keyan born.

There are also articles saying he is U.S. born as well.

He did not ask them to correct that because it must have been true. I didn’t write those articles, his campaign must have authorized them.

Of course they did.

156 posted on 01/06/2010 11:09:38 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: STE=Q; Drew68
“The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a ‘native’ citizen of the United States of America.”

Huh? How exactly is that an admission that he's not a natural born citizen? What am I missing?

157 posted on 01/06/2010 11:10:09 AM PST by curiosity
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To: jackv; LucyT
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. Name: Barry Soetoro Religion: .... Islam Nationality: ..... Indonesian

Yeah, and it also lists Hawaii as his birthplace. So how do you figure it helps the birther case?

158 posted on 01/06/2010 11:11:40 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Non-Sequitur

see post #151

STE=Q


159 posted on 01/06/2010 11:12:29 AM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: curiosity
It just shows how deep the conspiracy is.

-ominous music-

160 posted on 01/06/2010 11:15:26 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: SvenMagnussen
Obama’s Friends Working to Amend the Natural Born Citizen Requirement

If the Facts Don’t Support the Theory, Destroy the Facts Comment left by: CreativeOgre: While digging my way through the Internet last night, I came across the following paper, written by SARAH P. HERLIHY. It’s title

AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE

caught my eye, and had to read it…

http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/81-1/Herlihy.pdf

I had to ask myself, what would drive any American to want to change a clause in a document that is the very foundation of our government? So, I kept digging, and found that SARAH P. HERLIHY is employed by Kirkland & Ellis LLP http://www.kirkland.com

Noting that this law firm is based in Chicago, the light bulb was shining a little brighter . Upon looking at the firm, and the partners, I found that Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C., is Member of finance committees of U.S. Senators Barack Obama and Richard Durbin.

http://www.kirkland.com/sitecontent.cfm … temID=7845 (towards bottom of the page) In addition, Jack S. Levin, P.C., another partner who, in December 2002 was presented the ” Illinois Venture Capital Association’s lifetime achievement award for service to the private equity/venture capital community” presented by Sen. Barack Obama

So it sure looks like Obama’s people have looked into the matter of “Natural born” as far back as early 2006. What is even more disturbing is that it would appear that they are following the thought of : “If the facts do not support the theory, Destroy the facts!”

161 posted on 01/06/2010 11:18:18 AM PST by opentalk
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To: curiosity

None of Hawaii’s vital records have been released, hence no evidence.

Evidence

That which makes evident or manifest; that which furnishes, or tends to furnish, proof; any mode of proof; the ground of belief or judgement;


162 posted on 01/06/2010 11:19:04 AM PST by Josephat
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To: jackv
Name: Barry Soetoro Religion: .... Islam Nationality: ..... Indonesian...

"Place of Birth....Honolulu, Hawaii"

163 posted on 01/06/2010 11:21:33 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: curiosity

Of course a ‘native’ citizen is, indeed, an American citizen.

However they avoid the term ‘natural’ born.

Why?

If ‘native and ‘natural mean the same thing — to them — then why not just use the term Natural Born: as used in the constitution?

Yes, we all understand that some believe the two terms are the same.

The question was when did Obama say he was native born?

Well, fight the smears said it.

Hope that helps.

STE=Q


164 posted on 01/06/2010 11:22:22 AM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: curiosity
You don't seem to get the meaning of “nationality” and the requirement for potus.
It apparently will never matter to the die hard obama lovers that he's a usurper.
Bottoms up on the kool-aid!! And those bumper stickers are looking pretty rough!
165 posted on 01/06/2010 11:23:42 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Josephat
None of Hawaii’s vital records have been released, hence no evidence.

Hawaii's director of public health has officially confirmed that the state's records show him being born in Hawaii.

166 posted on 01/06/2010 11:25:45 AM PST by curiosity
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To: jackv
You don't seem to get the meaning of “nationality” and the requirement for potus.

That his step father may have believed Indonesia claimed him as a citizen when he was 8 years old in no way disqualifies him from the presidency.

167 posted on 01/06/2010 11:27:27 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Non-Sequitur

Do you really not get it or are your questions all part of the plan to throw everyone off?
We understand that tactic well.


168 posted on 01/06/2010 11:28:03 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: STE=Q
Of course a ‘native’ citizen is, indeed, an American citizen. However they avoid the term ‘natural’ born.Why?

Because "native-born" and "natural born" are synonymous.

If ‘native and ‘natural mean the same thing — to them — then why not just use the term Natural Born: as used in the constitution?

Because the courts have also used "native born" and "natural born" synonymously.

169 posted on 01/06/2010 11:30:07 AM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

Then the question deserves an answer, huh?
What does the constitution say about dual citizenship?
Prove it as a lie then.


170 posted on 01/06/2010 11:30:33 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: STE=Q
If ‘native and ‘natural mean the same thing — to them — then why not just use the term Natural Born: as used in the constitution?

Why does federal law use the term "citizens at birth" and some Supreme Court decisions use the same term while others use "citizen by birt"? It's all irrelevant, the Constitution identifes two specific forms of citizenship - natural born and naturalized. If you are not one then you are the other. "Native born" or "natural born", "citizen at birth" or "citizen by birth", they're all different terms for the same thing.

171 posted on 01/06/2010 11:31:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: curiosity

OMG!! You really really don’t get it!!
God help us.


172 posted on 01/06/2010 11:32:18 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: curiosity

Here’s something I found...

You are ill-informed on the “birther” issue. Barack Obama, by his own admission, was a British subject at birth. He has never denied having a Kenyan father, who himself was a British subject as a Kenyan native. This is easly established under the British Nationality Act of 1948. He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments. The issue is very simple, and very obvious. Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.


173 posted on 01/06/2010 11:32:55 AM PST by Lower55
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To: Candor7; maggief
He should be careful to not pull the shower cord! LOL.

Oh Lord! That takes me back to those unblurred pictures of precious doing her thing at the oh, so boring Duke LAX party.

Had the details of those pictures been made public even Barry Sanders and Cash Michaels would be hard pressed to say "something happened" to baby girl.

174 posted on 01/06/2010 11:33:17 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: jackv
Do you really not get it or are your questions all part of the plan to throw everyone off?

What is it that I'm not supposed to be getting?

175 posted on 01/06/2010 11:34:16 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

OMG!! Once again are you seriously STILL missing the point or do you really not get that being potus is not simply a matter of birthplace but also citizenship???
Do you not get the difference??


176 posted on 01/06/2010 11:35:20 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Could be he was born in a mud hut somewhere in Africa with a witch doctor shaking bones over him as a midwife delivered him...No hospital...no doctor...no records...
...no evidence supporting your scenario...


And, you have no evidence proving otherwise. If you do, please provide us with it.


177 posted on 01/06/2010 11:35:45 AM PST by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance: Will Rogers)
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To: Lower55
“Newspapers are never wrong or manipulated. The two announcements it Hawaii for example. He was supposedly born in a hospital that didn’t even deliver babies until a couple of years after he was allegedly born there.”

Honestly, can this stuff get any stupider? Kapi’olani didn't deliver babies? That would be the Kapi’olani where the Nordyke twins this idiotic fantasy keeps trumpeting were born. The one identified on the Nordyke twin birth certificates as “Kapi’olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.” I'm sure a hospital with that name wouldn't deliver babies. After all, what do babies have to do with maternity and gynecological issues?

Even if you try and ressurect that tired old Queen's Hospital non-story, they delivered babies, too.

This is exactly why the birther movement is perceived as an embarrassment to rational thought. It just makes stuff up, no matter how insane, and keeps parroting it long after it has been discredited.

178 posted on 01/06/2010 11:36:47 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Lower55
So a question for you, what leads you to believe that something which was a well known fact for years before the election, that no one with any authority objected to or even mentioned, is going to change anything over a year after the election?
179 posted on 01/06/2010 11:38:54 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: Lower55
He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments.

Obama's Kenyan citizenship lapsed when he turned 21 and did not give up his U.S. citizenship so problem solved.


180 posted on 01/06/2010 11:39:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jackv
Then the question deserves an answer, huh?

Which question?

What does the constitution say about dual citizenship?

Nothing. What's your point?

181 posted on 01/06/2010 11:40:11 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Non-Sequitur

Who, exactly, would “we” be?


182 posted on 01/06/2010 11:40:37 AM PST by Josephat
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To: opentalk
AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE

They're not going to let a little thing like the constitution get in the way.

After all -- as a 'useful idiot' of the left once told me -- 'The constitution is *just* a piece of paper!'

STE=Q

183 posted on 01/06/2010 11:41:28 AM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Non-Sequitur

And ONE MORE TIME...
what does the constitution say about dual citizenship regarding potus??

My tagline says it all!


184 posted on 01/06/2010 11:42:17 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: curiosity

More questions instead of answers. You’re hilarious.


185 posted on 01/06/2010 11:43:42 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Lower55
“Here’s something I found...

You are ill-informed on the “birther” issue. Barack Obama, by his own admission, was a British subject at birth. He has never denied having a Kenyan father, who himself was a British subject as a Kenyan native. This is easly established under the British Nationality Act of 1948. He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments. The issue is very simple, and very obvious. Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.”

Seriously? You just found that? These die hards trumpet it every day.

There is no actual statement in the Constitution or in legal precedent that precludes a person with a foreign citizen father from being deemed a natural born citizen. That you want to treat it as a settled fact doesn't make it so.

And Obama never admitted that he wasn't an NBC in a debate with Keyes. That's an urban myth that no one can produce an actual link to because it never happened. Even Keyes disavows it.

186 posted on 01/06/2010 11:43:53 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Lower55
Barack Obama, by his own admission, was a British subject at birth. He has never denied having a Kenyan father, who himself was a British subject as a Kenyan native. This is easly established under the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Yes. I've known this for over a year. So?

He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments.

He lost his Kenyan citizenship when he turned 21, so even if it were true that dual citizens couldn't be president, it wouldn't matter in his case.

Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.

That is simply not true. This is yet another instance of birthers just making things up out of thin air.

187 posted on 01/06/2010 11:44:41 AM PST by curiosity
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To: jackv
OMG!! You really really don’t get it!!

What, exactly, am I not getting?

188 posted on 01/06/2010 11:46:38 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Lower55; curiosity
Here’s something I found...

You are ill-informed on the “birther” issue.

***Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.***

Barack Obama, by his own admission, was a British subject at birth. He has never denied having a Kenyan father, who himself was a British subject as a Kenyan native.

This is easly established under the British Nationality Act of 1948. He is therefore disqualified to run for the office of the President, because the office is not available to subjects of other governments. The issue is very simple, and very obvious.

Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.

Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.

189 posted on 01/06/2010 11:47:19 AM PST by LucyT
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To: curiosity

It.

It!

IT!

You’re not getting IT!!

IIITTTT!!!!!!!!


190 posted on 01/06/2010 11:47:59 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: jackv
And ONE MORE TIME... what does the constitution say about dual citizenship regarding potus??

And for the twentieth time: it says nothing. What's your point?

191 posted on 01/06/2010 11:47:59 AM PST by curiosity
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To: MHGinTN
...poor ol’ non sensitur .

Well, THAT brought a smile to my face which immediately turned to a big sigh.

192 posted on 01/06/2010 11:48:05 AM PST by azishot
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To: LucyT; Lower55
Obama himself admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen when he debated Alan Keyes in 2004.

Repeating the same falsehood over and over again will not make it true.

193 posted on 01/06/2010 11:49:16 AM PST by curiosity
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To: jackv
“And ONE MORE TIME...
what does the constitution say about dual citizenship regarding potus??”

The Constitution says nothing about dual citizenship vis-a-vis the Presidency. Really. Go read it yourself.

It uses the undefined term “natural born citizen.” Contrary to birther myth, that term does not automatically exclude people with a foreign citizen parent. English common law precedents the Founders would have been well acquainted with do not make that distinction. The body of available legal precedent does not make that distinction. And everyone, including Vice President Cheney overseeing the electoral college count and Chief Justice Roberts who swore him in, knew Obama didn't have a citizen father.

Just because you want to make up something in your head and insist it is a fact doesn't make it so.

194 posted on 01/06/2010 11:50:31 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Know et al
And, you have no evidence proving otherwise. If you do, please provide us with it.

Hawaii's director of public health has publicly, officially, and explicitly stated that the state's vital records show he was born in Hawaii.p>

195 posted on 01/06/2010 11:52:23 AM PST by curiosity
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To: tired_old_conservative

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

The Framers distinguised between”natural born Citizens” and all other “Citizens”. And that’s why it’s important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of “Citizen”, not “natural born Citizen”. The Framers were Citizens, but they weren’t natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves by law.
The Framers were not natural born citizens because, “at birth” they were all British citizens. That’s why they included a grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1. The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn’t want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. They recognized that they were NOT “Natural Born Citizens”, because “at birth” they were subject to the British Crown as was Barack Obama.

The Framers were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers. The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as “Natural Born Citizens” so they wrote the grandfather clause in for a limited exception.

Nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

NOW...if this is not true simply PROVE IT!!!


196 posted on 01/06/2010 11:53:56 AM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: curiosity

Repeating the same falsehood over and over again will not make it true.

Seems to work pretty well for your side.


197 posted on 01/06/2010 11:54:34 AM PST by Josephat
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To: curiosity

That is not what was stated. Go back and read the statement.


198 posted on 01/06/2010 11:54:43 AM PST by Know et al (Everything I know I read in the newspaper and that's the reason for my ignorance: Will Rogers)
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To: curiosity

Then why not release them so it can be “evident” to all of us.


199 posted on 01/06/2010 11:56:34 AM PST by Josephat
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To: curiosity; Lower55
Repeating the same falsehood over and over again will not make it true

That's very true, so why do you keep repeating your lies?

Barack Obama, by his own admission, was a British subject at birth. He has never denied having a Kenyan father, who himself was a British subject as a Kenyan native.

200 posted on 01/06/2010 11:58:17 AM PST by LucyT
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