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To: aSeattleConservative

It’s not confusion from my end. You are right that atheism is often connected to statism, but not always. There are Christian socialists all over the world. In fact, religion and state has been the history of the world till recently. And they were also brutal tyrannies. However, the common denominator is people who think they can run our lives better than we can.

Libertarians are not pro-abortion. In fact, they are pretty split on the issue. It all depends on the status of the fetus. I, for one, am anti-abortion. For me there is no justification for violating the rights of the unborn.

No libertarian is pro-homosexuality. We simply believe that it is not something the state should regulate, and that includes marriage. There is simply no reason for the state to regulate that. Whatever your personal beliefs are and whether you want to be for it or against it is your private business, but you can disagree and advocate for state intrusion. We ran from tyrants who tried to regulate our private beliefs once. Besides, you can have all the anti-homosexual private meetings and ad campaigns you want. I support free speech.

Do you wonder why libertarians support open borders and the legalization of drugs? It is called free trade and free markets. You can’t say you’re for a free market and then have massive exceptions to it. That’s what leads to this massive progressive state we have now, and that is exactly what liberals do. Besides, it’s not like libertarians are saying go use drugs. We advocate against it, but we believe it should be our choice. Plus, the war on drugs is a massive failure. You can’t kill supply. You can only work on lowering demand. Private markets do that better. As for borders, it destroys wealth and free trade, but there is a good argument for the rule of law and national security (though feebler than rule of law) to which I am open.

Oh, and anarchy is a play on the misconceptions of libertarianism. We believe in a private order just like Adam Smith and many of our founding fathers, just not top-down, gov’t-run order.

It’s not all about $. It’s about having the right to choose your own destiny and live by your own values, not values imposed upon you by bureaucrats, private citizens, or anyone. There are lots of socially conservative libertarians.


10 posted on 01/07/2010 7:35:35 AM PST by Anarchydeluxe
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To: Anarchydeluxe
It's time for biology class (.i.e. dissecting your post).

There are Christian socialists all over the world

An oxymoron if there ever was one (kinda like saying that someone is a "pro-life abortionist"). True Christians know that socialism and God's laws don't mix.

"Where the Marxist “Social Gospel” and the Bible part company

http://www.therealitycheck.org/?tag=christianity (my apologies for you having to cut and paste the links).

"In fact, religion and state has been the history of the world till recently"

Somewhat "recently", the religion of atheism has been responsible for the brutal murders of 100 to 200 million innocent human beings in the name of communism. (And no, Hitler was NOT a "Christian").

People have come to the US from all over the world, often times leaving everything behind, because of what our "Christian nation" offered.

http://www.earlychristianamerica.com/

"Libertarians are not pro-abortion"..."No libertarian is pro-homosexuality".

You better check the platform of the party who uses the same name as you use to describe your political ideology:

http://www.lp.org/platform

If you don't believe that there should be laws against certain immoral behavior, you are in essence, supporting that immoral behavior.

"We simply believe that it is not something the state should regulate, and that includes marriage."

The state has a "vested interest" in the nuclear family. The institution of marriage is essential for society. Re-defining it to include anyone that professes "love" for who or "what is that thing???" will be detrimental to our society. The same goes for laws regarding decency; the state has a vested interest.

"Do you wonder why libertarians support open borders and the legalization of drugs? It is called free trade and free markets."

It's called ruining lives through immoral behavior (Have you EVER heard anyone say "Boy, I'm sure glad my husband/son/brother etc. became a drug addict!"?) and giving away our sovereign rights (don't tell me NAFTA and all those so-called "free trade agreements" are fair).

"There are lots of socially conservative libertarians."

Again, an oxymoron. If you believe in God and His laws (which espouse decency, life and economically the free market), you're a conservative. Nothing libertarian about it.

12 posted on 01/07/2010 3:16:09 PM PST by aSeattleConservative
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