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I Was Banned For Not Tipping
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Posted on 01/07/2010 9:51:07 AM PST by big black dog

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To: livius
there was another group that also never tipped, but I won’t go there...

Yep...been there...done that.

101 posted on 01/07/2010 10:37:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: big black dog; All
To everyone who thinks this guy is cheap: IMO, he is totally correct, it isn't the customers job to pay the help, it is the restaurant owner's job. The tip should be in the price and should state on the menu that 15% is added to the price as a tip. Then, if a person doesn't want to pay they don't have to eat there. That would also get around the $3.00 law in the east.

Tipping has become ingrained into the minds of the public in one of the most blatant mind washing efforts in history.

There is no reason to tip. Do you tip the hardware guy, the grocery store clerk or anyone else who gives good service? No? The reason for that is you know they get paid by their employer so you pay the bill and don't tip. Waiters/Waitresses get paid also and their living wage is the problem of the employer. Period.

102 posted on 01/07/2010 10:38:50 AM PST by calex59
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To: discostu; All

You do realize that by openly endorsing tipping, you basically are rewarding one group of hard-working low paid people while kicking to the curb anybody else.

That is, unless you also tip the following types of people that after tips probably make less than miss waitress making $3 an hour officially (without taxes on much of it of course):

1) the entry-level administrative assistant who greets you in your building
2) Wal-Mart cashier or greeter at the front door
3) the janitor who helps clean your office
4) early child care workers who help take care of you kids
5) the busboy working his butt off to clean the restaurant tables of plates, yet you shell out the cash to the waiter but ignore him.


103 posted on 01/07/2010 10:39:24 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: gdani
I usually tip in the 15-30% range. If the service is horrendous I have been known to go down to ALMOST nothing.

The way I look at it if the service is very good I want that server to stay working in that job. If it totally sucks (provided they are not brand new) I want them to quit and go find a different job.

104 posted on 01/07/2010 10:39:31 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
This is probably why New Zealand has an egalitarian feel to it, with a really blurry line between our classes.

this is interesting to me... and something i can talk with my father-in-law about, as he is from New Zealand... he sees many things differently... however, he is a great tipper...

105 posted on 01/07/2010 10:39:40 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: chris37
Negative. Inglorious Basterds is far superior.

"That's a Bingo!"

106 posted on 01/07/2010 10:39:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: rwfromkansas

Have you noticed tip jars showing up everywhere. I NEVER tip at Starbucks, EVER. It is as though they are trying to create a new paradigm. Maybe McDonalds really SHOULD have a tip jar. ;)


107 posted on 01/07/2010 10:40:05 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: big black dog
LOL, you'll get a kick out of this.. Mr. Liberty No Tipper is a cross dressing pirate (from the photo-gallery on his site).


108 posted on 01/07/2010 10:40:17 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Malsua

> Most Restaurants only pay their wait staff $2.13 to start.

That is probably the main difference right there. In New Zealand they must pay their staff a “living wage”, which is $12.50 per hour before tax.

I see that as a fair cost of doing business: if someone is adult enough to own a business, they must be adult enough to pay for their staff’s work. Else they have no business being in business.

Working for less than a living wage isn’t an “employment” relationship, it’s a “master/servant” relationship — indentured servitude — something that ought to have gone out the window with your Emancipation Proclamation 150 years ago.


109 posted on 01/07/2010 10:40:20 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: gdani
Nothing will make you want to disassociate yourself from the human race faster than being a server or working retail.

Do you ever have that right.. Christmas time was the worst.. It's a fine incentive to stay in college!
110 posted on 01/07/2010 10:40:29 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: wolf24

Basically, Mike needs to have a conversation with Joe. We’ll make a tipper out of him yet.


111 posted on 01/07/2010 10:41:08 AM PST by Mashood
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To: BluH2o
You order food and drinks that are prepared for the most part out of sight

guy's obviously never seen "waiting" :)
112 posted on 01/07/2010 10:41:29 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: anonsquared
Every wait staff person I ever knew was a registered Democrat.

i know several Republicans who have been waiters and waitresses...

113 posted on 01/07/2010 10:41:51 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: big black dog
He also has a gallery celebrating a flag burner.

I nominate this guy as douche of the year.


114 posted on 01/07/2010 10:42:11 AM PST by mnehring
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To: afraidfortherepublic

>>But it does hit the tax roles. They have to pay an estimated tip tax on their receipts. The IRS takes it whether they receive it, or not.<<

If, by some chance, they are over the amount that is taxed anyway, mine won’t be included.

My nephew delivers pizza as a second job to support his wife and four kids. He told me to tip in cash so I do.


115 posted on 01/07/2010 10:42:49 AM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: big black dog
Paultard?

Bingo, he has links all over his site for Anarchy movements, Lew Rockwell and the like..

116 posted on 01/07/2010 10:44:15 AM PST by mnehring
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To: newfreep

117 posted on 01/07/2010 10:44:16 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Never tip anyone, ever. It’s bad form.

Should I ever visit New Zealand (I understand it's a beautiful country), I'll remember that. I wouldn't want to embarrass myself or offend my waiter/barmaid/whatever.

In these United States, the policy you advocate is boorish. I consider that the waiter/barmaid/whatever is working for me, as well as for the restauranteur. I can, after all, cook a meal, fix a drink, and place these things on a table. I am paying the waiter/barmaid/whatever to do it for me ... and I pay them according to how well (in my thoroughly subjective judgment) they do it. It's called a "tip" ... but it's really payment for services rendered.

In these United States.

Should you ever visit here, I hope that you will have the good sense to remember this.

118 posted on 01/07/2010 10:44:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Tips are a method of provoking better service. If you are going to receive more $$ by being a better server, you’ll work harder to make that extra money.

Besides, The federal minimum wage is currently $7.25. $2.13 for tipped positions, however, If the worker doesnt make $7.25 and hour after tips, I believe the employer is required to make up the difference. This might be just Texas, but I thought it was federal.


119 posted on 01/07/2010 10:44:44 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: TalonDJ

Notice how it is always the professions filled with liberals who need more and more to do less and less?

Waitstaff: 10% tip grows to 15%, grows to 20% and still service stinks.

Teachers: we need more money, more money, more money and America’s children fall further behind the rest of the world.

Government workers: higher wages, generous benefits and we get longer lines, bigger potholes, and higher taxes.

You’d think people could see the common denominator in this.


120 posted on 01/07/2010 10:45:01 AM PST by anonsquared
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To: big black dog

I really really dislike cheap bastards who don’t tip.

They should be banned for life from every American establishment.

They are cut from the same cloth as Hillary Clinton.


121 posted on 01/07/2010 10:45:26 AM PST by Palladin (Obama as President? "Totally unacceptable.")
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To: big black dog

Two words, PAY CASH...


122 posted on 01/07/2010 10:45:54 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (It wasn't the eight years of Bush - Cheney, It was the last two years of Pelosi - Reid.)
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To: Raider Sam

98% chance. And I knocked myself out waiting on them, too.


123 posted on 01/07/2010 10:46:54 AM PST by livius
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To: latina4dubya

> and something i can talk with my father-in-law about, as he is from New Zealand... he sees many things differently...

Something else you might find interesting to talk to your Father-in-Law about is the famous “New Zealand Clobbering Machine” and the “Tall Poppy Syndrome”.

Essentially, it is a national trait not to stand out from the crowd by achievement. People who do are “Tall Poppies” and they get brought back down to earth quickly by the “Clobbering Machine” — the people around them.

Lots of people *do* excell in New Zealand, on the world stage. Perhaps a higher proportion than our population warrants. Yet nobody is allowed to be a “Tall Poppy”. It’s just culturally Not Done.

It is almost exactly opposite to the way it is in the US, where people are encouraged to excell individually and to stand out from the crowd.

It would be interesting to know what your Father-in-Law says about that.


124 posted on 01/07/2010 10:47:13 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts
I’ve never heard of cooks getting part of the pooled tips.. That’s a new one to me!

I worked my way through college (1978-1981) as a waiter at a first class French/international restaurant. Here was the break down on my tips:

Start of shift -- $20.00 to Maitre'd to ensure good tables. End of Shift:

5% to the cocktal waitress
5% to Bartender
10% to Busboys
Two six packs of Coors to the kitchen, always given to the Chef, who then distributed it to the kitchen crew.

Average night in tips was gross of 75 to 90 bucks.

I would go home with $35.00 to $50.00
Double those figures on weekends. I would net about $250.00 a week. My rent was $200.00 a month, two short blocks from the beach.

I did not complain.

125 posted on 01/07/2010 10:47:22 AM PST by Michael.SF. (At least Hitler got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: SoldierDad

>>When I go to Walmart (or any other retail/department store) I don’t have an employee of the store waiting on me, bringing me items from around the store so I can see if I want to purchase that/those items while I sit comfortably at a table.<<

One of the reasons my wife and I stopped going to restaurants is because it became more of a hassle than eating at home. First you have to find and pay for parking. Then you wait for a seat. Then you find you either get too little or too much service. I hate being asked every couple of minutes how my meal is. And then I want to leave, but first I gotta get the bill. Then they have to notice that I am ready to pay. Then they have to process it. Then, FINALLY, I can leave and go find my car and drive home.

More and more we do take out (which never includes a tip). If we want really good food, we make it ourselves.

Another way around the whole thing is to just go to a buffet. We learned to love those things when we visited our farm in Kentucky last week. We found several Chinese buffet’s that were, frankly, pretty good. Self serve and no tip. $13 for both of us.


126 posted on 01/07/2010 10:49:12 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

I worked at a Baskin-Robbins because all my friends worked there. It was fun, but we were pain 2.10 an hour because we could get tips.

Ever tip at a BR? Not many do. In fact I got exactly one tip. It was a Christmas Eve and my only customer, who came in regularly, saw me sitting there alone. He bought a hand packed ice cream for 2.50 and let me keep the change on a five.


127 posted on 01/07/2010 10:51:00 AM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: mnehring

Why am I not surprised?

I wonder if he tips the young hustlers that he picks up at the bus station.


128 posted on 01/07/2010 10:51:40 AM PST by Palladin (Obama as President? "Totally unacceptable.")
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To: rwfromkansas

“I don’t understand the poor waiter thing because frankly, they make out like bandits and make more per hour than a lot of jobs.”

Yep, a good waiter can make seriously good money on a good night. A good waiter can also make seriously bad money on a bad night. It’s random, and based on how much business the restaurant is getting, how good the tips are, etc. You can make a good living at it, or you can go broke. There are some people who will stiff you, no matter how good a job you do, and hopefully there are others who will make up for it.


129 posted on 01/07/2010 10:52:24 AM PST by jim35 (Tea Party former Republican)
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To: netmilsmom

Cash is fine. Just don’t think that it relieves them of the obligation of paying tax. Their tax estimates may be “loose”, but if the IRS wants to get stinky, they will.

We eat out a lot, and we always tip. Some of our favorite waitresses have been doing this for years, and they confide that they make good money. I knew one who worked in a bank days, and nights and weekends in a restaurant. She had 5 kids, a husband who did nothing, & a barn full of horses. She worked in the restaurant to support the horses and always said she made better money there than at the bank. Her basic wage at the restaurant was $2.75/hr, but she always took home more than $100 a night in tips.


130 posted on 01/07/2010 10:52:53 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: netmilsmom
And we tip with cash so it doesn’t hit the tax roles.

I tip with cash, just to make sure the server (and anyone they share it with...like the bussers) gets the money.

A 20% tip for me is a given. The waiter can only lose it. They don't really need to do much to keep it. One thing I don't like, though, is the tip hound who is unreasonably perky, loud and in-your-face. No likes a brown noser. ;)

131 posted on 01/07/2010 10:53:43 AM PST by TankerKC (But I used spell cheque.)
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To: TalonDJ

>>A waiter on the other hand can make your dining experience significantly better.<<

How, exactly? That is, beyond what the owner is paying them to do.


132 posted on 01/07/2010 10:53:51 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: big black dog

NICE GUY EDDIE
C’mon, throw in a buck.

MR. WHITE
Uh-uh. I don’t tip.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Whaddaya mean you don’t tip?

MR. WHITE
I don’t believe in it.

NICE GUY EDDIE
You don’t believe in tipping?

MR. PINK
(laughing)
I love this kid, he’s a madman, this guy.

MR. BLONDE
Do you have any idea what these ladies make? They make s***.

MR. WHITE
Don’t give me that. She don’t make enough money, she can quit.

Everybody laughs.

NICE GUY EDDIE
I don’t even know a Jew who’d have the balls to say that. So let’s get this straight. You never ever tip?

MR. WHITE
I don’t tip because society says I gotta. I tip when somebody deserves a tip. When somebody really puts forth an effort, they deserve a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, that s***’s for the birds. As far as I’m concerned, they’re just doin their job.

MR. BLUE
Our girl was nice.

MR. WHITE
Our girl was okay. She didn’t do anything special.

MR. BLONDE
What’s something special, take ya in the kitchen and s*** your d***?

They all laugh.

NICE GUY EDDIE
I’d go over twelve percent for that.

MR. WRITE
Look, I ordered coffee. Now we’ve been here a long f***in time, and she’s only filled my cup three
times. When I order coffee, I want it filled six times.

MR. BLONDE
What if she’s too busy?

MR. WHITE
The words “too busy” shouldn’t be in a waitress’s vocabulary.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Excuse me, Mr. White, but the last thing you need is another cup of coffee.

They all laugh.

MR. WHITE
These ladies aren’t starvin to death. They make minimum wage. When I worked for minimum wage, I wasn’t lucky enough to have a job that society deemed tipworthy.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Ahh, now we’re getting down to it. It’s not just that he’s a cheap bastard—

MR. ORANGE
—It is that too—

NICE GUY EDDIE
—It is that too. But it’s also he couldn’t get a waiter job. You talk like a pissed off dishwasher: “f*** those c***s and their f***ing tips.”

MR. BLONDE
So you don’t care that they’re counting on your tip to live?

Mr. White rubs two of his fingers together.

MR. WHITE
Do you know what this is? It’s the world’s smallest violin, playing just for the waitresses.

MR. BLONDE
You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. These people bust their a**. This is a hard job.

MR. WHITE
So’s working at McDonald’s, but you don’t feel the need to tip them. They’re servin ya food, you should tip em. But no, society says tip these guys over here, but not those guys over there. That’s
bulls***.

MR. ORANGE
They work harder than the kids at McDonald’s.

MR. WHITE
Oh yeah, I don’t see them cleaning fryers.

MR. BROWN
These people are taxed on the tips they make. When you stiff ‘em, you cost them money.

MR. BLONDE
Waitressing is the number one occupation for female non-college graduates in this country. It’s the one jab basically any woman can get, and make a living on. The reason is because of tips.

MR. WHITE
f*** all that.

They all laugh.

MR. WHITE
Hey, I’m very sorry that the government taxes their tips. That’s f***ed up. But that ain’t my fault. it would appear that waitresses are just one of the many groups the government f***s in the a** on a regular basis. You show me a paper says the government shouldn’t do that, I’ll sign it. Put it to a vote, I’ll vote for it. But what I won’t do is play ball. And this non- college bulls*** you’re telling me, I got two words for that: “Learn to f***in type.” Cause if you’re expecting me to help out with the rent, you’re in for a big f***in surprise.

MR. ORANGE
He’s convinced me. Give me my dollar back.


133 posted on 01/07/2010 10:53:59 AM PST by Lazamataz (America has been dead for a while; It's interesting to watch the cadaver cool.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

> Should I ever visit New Zealand (I understand it’s a beautiful country), I’ll remember that. I wouldn’t want to embarrass myself or offend my waiter/barmaid/whatever.

You really should visit — it is a beautiful country, and reasonably safe by world standards. Most Americans I know who have visited have a really good time and are made most welcome.

One of the sure-fire ways of spotting a tourist is by their tipping: this can lead to crimes of opportunity. Because the locals don’t tip, and tourists tend to not know any better, it sets them apart as an easy target.

So as much as anything else, “no tipping” is a safety thing as well.

All taxes are included in every pricetag, except if it explicitly says “GST Excluded” (in which case add 12.5%). Otherwise, the price you see is the amount you pay out of your wallet.

Some bars will have a jar on them for your spare change: there is never an expectation of you putting money in, but you can if you like. Few do.


134 posted on 01/07/2010 10:55:27 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: gdani; rwfromkansas
Nothing will make you want to disassociate yourself from the human race faster than being a server or working retail.

Yep, I’ve personally known three waitresses that said some people are so abusive that they made them cry.

A waitress friend of mine once asked “how often have you cried at work?”

135 posted on 01/07/2010 10:56:07 AM PST by varyouga (2 natural disasters, zerO action. Obama doesn't care about white people!)
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To: Axeslinger
He will then pass that increase along to his customers through higher prices. At that point, this clown will be paying the equivalent of the tip but he will now not have the power to express his pleasure/displeasure with the quality of the service. Addtionally, what motivation will there be to provide excellent service everytime?

Isn't this how EVERY other business in the country works, and yet we somehow all still get by? Listen, if a restaurant owner wants me to do performance evaluations on his wait staff, that's fine, he can hire me as a consultant. I fail to see why I should be expected to do it for free, when I'm presumably there to enjoy myself.

136 posted on 01/07/2010 10:56:30 AM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: rwfromkansas

“Tipping sets different standards for different jobs that are equally as difficult and low-paying.”

So you mean that the worker at McD’s, who picks up a burger off a rack, sets it on a tray, and rings you up is equivalent service as a waiter who takes your order, refills your drinks, brings the food to you, and cleans your table?

If you arent going to be tipping, next time you go they’ll know that and probably treat you the same way as the McD’s cashier.

Generally, tips are giving in a continuous service setting as a reward for better service. Valet is a single action. Making a coffee is a single action. Having your brakes fixed is a single action. (Though when they go above and beyond is another thing. Speedy service on a busy day, or if you frequent that business you might tip. or the brake guy also changes your oil and tops off other liquids.)


137 posted on 01/07/2010 10:56:46 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Michael.SF.

>>Those are the rules established, polite people live by them. Those who choose not to deserve to be excluded from a restaurant at the owner’s choosing.<<

I do a lot of traveling around the US. The rules are different in different areas. And they are not laws. They are rules. Although I tend to abide by them. If I get lousy service, I will take advice I got from a guy over three decades ago: I tip a dime.

Rules change, btw. That is what those who put tip jars at dry cleaners, Starbucks, et-al are banking on.

I think our economy is changing the tipping rules. In my case, the restaurants have ceased getting my business, for the most part.


138 posted on 01/07/2010 10:57:30 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: rwfromkansas
When people go to a restaurant, there's a certain dynamic that occurs that can't be compared to eating at a fast-food restaurant.

They expect to be catered to and have a higher-quality experience than they'll get at McDonald's. Tipping is a carrot that the customer gets to dangle at the server to help ensure this. And it's a self-winnowing activity that helps to weed out atrocious servers who won't last long without good tips to make the job worthwhile to them. Everyone wins, the customers are happy and the owner has lots of repeat business.

I've lost count of the surly fast food cashiers I've dealt with through the years who don't have the skills a good server has. That's why they're called "cashiers" and not "servers." It's an art form for the really good servers and keeps the customers coming back.

Same for a good bartender.

139 posted on 01/07/2010 10:57:56 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: big black dog; All

ALL:

Let me ask you this...

Why should anyone have to bribe a person to do their job correctly?

If other professions decided that this form of extortion would net them higher salaries, would that be alright with you?

Example:
After taking off on a flight from New York to Los Angeles, the pilots pass a hat. If the tips are sufficient, they take the plane to L.A., if not, you end up in Cleveland.


140 posted on 01/07/2010 10:58:02 AM PST by anonsquared
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To: mnehring
I don't look at tips as part of the pay of the wait staff - that's between him and his boss. The tip is a gift. There's no reason I can find that a waiter should pay income taxes on my gift to them. My kids don't declare Grammy's $40 gifts or Pop-Pop's $50. I didn't declare my the value of my wedding gifts.

Tough $h!+ if the government wants a bite.

141 posted on 01/07/2010 10:58:23 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: big black dog
It is the industry. Keith could not do any of those things, unless the government mandated it. I guess if you were President you could do it. He would go out of business, because the rest of your friends and every other person that goes there wouldn't pay the prices he would have to charge for his products to cover his labor.

You wouldn't go there either. You would go to the bar down the street that paid the servers $3.00 per hour and sold his products cheaper and still not tip.
142 posted on 01/07/2010 10:58:50 AM PST by ScoochDude
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To: anonsquared

“My point was not that the government needs more taxes. Until we have the majority of Americans paying into the system, the increasing numbers of the ones who don’t will continue to screw those of us who do.”

OK, I’ll buy that. But I still tip, and like the way it makes the waiter dependent, directly, on my good will.


143 posted on 01/07/2010 10:59:18 AM PST by jim35 (Tea Party former Republican)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Legally, it isn’t a gift though. It is compensation. It is, in essence, commission that you control the rate of. No different than the commission you pay when you buy a car except that you control the rate.


144 posted on 01/07/2010 11:00:26 AM PST by mnehring
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To: calex59

>>There is no reason to tip.<<

As a repeat customer, it’s to keep your food and drinks bodily fluid free.


145 posted on 01/07/2010 11:00:36 AM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: anonsquared
Why should anyone have to bribe a person to do their job correctly?

Because 75% of their job is dealing with people like you?

146 posted on 01/07/2010 11:01:23 AM PST by gdani (I just want to be left on this block of ice...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
And here in New Zealand tipping is not the normal practise.

Well, yeah...but you also are upside down and can't spell. :)

147 posted on 01/07/2010 11:01:53 AM PST by TankerKC (But I used spell cheque.)
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To: calex59

This is pretty hard to argue with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38


148 posted on 01/07/2010 11:02:06 AM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: mnehring

Tipping is a holdover from the way restaurants used to run in the late 19th and into the 20th Century. They way it used to work was that the waiter was an independent contractor, and when you ordered your food, it was actually the waiter who was buying it from the restaurant operator, paying for it up front at the exact same cost printed on the menu. Tips were the entire way they made money. Slowly, the practice was introduced of making waiters an actual employee of the restaurant and, later, of giving them a small token wage. I can still remember in the early 80s, the waiters at the Berghoff, in Chicago, lining up at a cash register to pay for the food before bringing it to your table.


149 posted on 01/07/2010 11:03:06 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: BradyLS
It doesn’t surprise me that establishments will put an automatic 15% gratuity on parties of 5 or 6 or more.

Sucky thing about that is I have to be careful, I have four kids and there has been more then one occasion that I have had a gratuity automatically added to my bill, then left a tip on top of that. Usually it has been for crappy service, when the server feared getting a lousy tip. I will tip better for good service then bad, but I will still tip for bad service, it will however noticeably not be as generous.

I had a server confront me one day about a less then generous tip, I told if she had done a better job she would have received a better tip. My next trip there I had outstanding service from the same girl, I more then made up for the previous visit.

150 posted on 01/07/2010 11:03:28 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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