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Here Comes The Mini Ice Age
The Lid/UK Mail ^ | 1/10/10 | The Lid

Posted on 01/10/2010 3:28:24 PM PST by Shellybenoit

Back in September a climate Scientist, named Mojib Latif predicted that the earth was facing a mini "ice age," 20-30 years of global cooling. Latif said the cooling would be the result of changes to ocean currents and temperatures in the North Atlantic, a feature known as the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO). Latif also said that the NAO may be partly the cause of warming during the past 30 years (he also said he is not a global warming skeptic).

The prediction of this non-skeptic challenge some of the Church of Global Warming's most holy beliefs, like the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013, only a bit more than three years from now.

The US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, says that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007, and even the most committed global warming moonbats do not dispute this. Ah, it must be a trick, the ice is going to disappear by growing. Just like the cooling is the result of global warming.

The scientists’ predictions about the effects of changes to ocean currents, also undermine the standard climate computer models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise.

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TOPICS: Politics; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: arcticice; capandtrade; cooling; globalcooling; globalwarming
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1 posted on 01/10/2010 3:28:25 PM PST by Shellybenoit
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To: Shellybenoit

Excuse me but....... these people are a bunch of f’n idiots.


2 posted on 01/10/2010 3:32:38 PM PST by donhunt (No one wants to see GMs new convertible, the Pelosi, with its top down!)
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To: Shellybenoit

Low CO2 levels are causing the return of the ICE AGE. Unless we get rid of all these high mileage cars and catalitic converters we will freeze. We must burn more fossil fuels. All the plants are going to die and we are going to starve because of reduced carbon dioxide emmissions. Unrenewable energy is the answer. We need reverse carbon credits for those with too small of a carbon footprint...


3 posted on 01/10/2010 3:34:32 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: screaminsunshine

LOL!!!!

Explain how the earlier ice age happened.


4 posted on 01/10/2010 3:36:33 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Shellybenoit

Liberals are always wrong on everything. They must seek out error and pursue it vigorously. I guess in that sense they are successful.....well its something anyway.


5 posted on 01/10/2010 3:36:40 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: nmh

Simple. There were no internal combustion engines. Muscle cars were the only thing staving off the return of the ICE AGE. We are doomed unless we bring back the 442 and GTO. We must manufacture millions of them and get the lead back in the gas.


6 posted on 01/10/2010 3:39:29 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: screaminsunshine
There were no internal combustion engines. Muscle cars were the only thing staving off the return of the ICE AGE.

Not to mention that when the dinosaurs went extinct the dinosaur farts were no longer helping stave off the ice.

The fact that my pool has an inch thick layer of ice on it here in Montgomery, AL is proof the Ice Age is returning.

7 posted on 01/10/2010 3:45:45 PM PST by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: commish

Right. All this is caused by the EPA limiting auto emmissions. Here in Tampa we used to be able to stave off freezing the Oranges with smudge pots. Laws forbidding the use of smudge pots are causing Florida to freeze and killing Manatees by the thousands. Smudge pots are needed in every yard. They emit high levels of CO2.


8 posted on 01/10/2010 3:49:54 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: screaminsunshine

+100!!!


9 posted on 01/10/2010 3:51:39 PM PST by PIF
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To: donhunt

Excuse me but, you are living on a planet populated by over 6 billion apes. Idiocy is the norm. Care to prove these particular apes idiocy ?


10 posted on 01/10/2010 3:56:01 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: screaminsunshine
I have often said that, if a new "clean" energy source were discovered tomorrow that fills all Man's energy needs, that the environmentally responsible thing to do is dig up all the coal, oil, and natural gas and burn it anyway. Life is built out of carbon. Maybe the mega-fauna went extinct because there was not enough of a biosphere to support it. Give that sequestered carbon back to the biosphere!

(I bet you could actually turn this into a plausible argument, then sit back and watch the environmentalists and global idiots heads explode.)

11 posted on 01/10/2010 3:56:21 PM PST by lafroste
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To: Shellybenoit
Explain this AGWers - Snowball Earth - one of numerous times. And BTW just saw my first Simudon - hunting Mammoth no doubt...:) There will be white 'mountians' moving down from Northern Canada - only takes them 100 years to get 2 kilometers deep and cover most of NA.
12 posted on 01/10/2010 3:58:01 PM PST by PIF
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To: screaminsunshine

13 posted on 01/10/2010 3:58:04 PM PST by BushCountry (We divide into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.)
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To: justa-hairyape

Does that mean I can check off the “other” box when they ask my race on the census form?


14 posted on 01/10/2010 3:58:32 PM PST by donhunt (No one wants to see GMs new convertible, the Pelosi, with its top down!)
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To: lafroste

If that happens Doomsday will be emminent. The lack of CO2 in the atmosphere is causing all these Earthquakes. The Polar Bears are going to be trapped in glaciers and die.


15 posted on 01/10/2010 3:59:49 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: screaminsunshine
Which is probably true although I'm not sure there's enough stuff left to burn that will stave off the ice forever.

The easy way to explain Ice Age conditions is to posit an ON PERIOD where there's 2 mile deep ice on North America and an OFF PERIOD where there's an interglacial period like we have come to know and love.

The harder way is to note that it's not all ice all the time, nor is it warm all the time. The cycle continues throughout the period of performance ~ and sometimes we have a lot of ice, sometimes a moderate amount, and sometimes it all goes away, but even then there are times when it starts to come back.

Plus, we have TWO major controlling elements. One is North America and the other is Antarctica. As you will notice Antarctica will has thousands of feet of ice but it doesn't have a 2 mile deep ice sheet. Neither does North America. Both areas have sea ice, either in the Arctic Ocean basin or around Antarctica.

We need to worry when Antarctic sea ice increases its coverage AND when the ice gets deeper (which we'll know because the glaciers flowing to the sea will speed up).

I think that already happened.

16 posted on 01/10/2010 4:00:31 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: PIF

I saw that polar bear commercial for CO15 and the one with the terrified little girl, which might have been the same one.

Sick.


17 posted on 01/10/2010 4:02:00 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: BushCountry

This is the one thing that can save the world. GTO. And just look Obama destroyed the only company that could save us. We must ressurect Pontiac and get to work.


18 posted on 01/10/2010 4:02:22 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: screaminsunshine

You guys can’t have smudge pots? For real?


19 posted on 01/10/2010 4:03:49 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: PIF

Unless we start emmitting more Carbon the process will speed up and in Ten Years the Gays in Key West will have to move to Kwaijalien Atoll. Key west will be a Frozen Teenage Wasteland.


20 posted on 01/10/2010 4:04:45 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: donhunt

No just put...Drag. We need to readjust all the stoplights to go really quick and have drag races between each light. This will burn more fossil fuel and help to warm the Earth back to normal.


21 posted on 01/10/2010 4:07:03 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: Shellybenoit

22 posted on 01/10/2010 4:07:10 PM PST by maggief
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To: screaminsunshine
I know exactly what will stop an Ice Age in its tracks. At least in some of our minds. Go to the original article.

The mini ice age starts here

Click on the side article about Ashley Greene (warning soft porn body paint). Now she could stop an Ice Age in its tracks.

23 posted on 01/10/2010 4:11:03 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: combat_boots

No more smudgepots. The Manatees are dying off because of Global Freezing caused by the EPA. It is going to be catastrophic unless we get more CO2 in to the atmosphere asap. There is a consensus on this science and there can be no debate allowed. I have in my possession a secret report on it. This report was done by top scientists at area 52. A secret base in Antartica.


24 posted on 01/10/2010 4:12:20 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: screaminsunshine
Mr Ditter and I are doing our part to prevent the ice age. I drive a Cheve Taho and he drives a Ford F150 p/u. I have a roaring fire in the fireplace right now and in the summer we keep our a/c set for 68. We do a few other unmentionable things too. snort*
25 posted on 01/10/2010 4:13:27 PM PST by Ditter
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To: justa-hairyape

At least it would help. Heavy breathing emits more CO2.


26 posted on 01/10/2010 4:13:51 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: donhunt

Race is not species.


27 posted on 01/10/2010 4:15:38 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Ditter

Way to go. You might consider lead additives in your gas you can get it at NAPA. Also buy your gas at marinas where you can get gas with no ethanol. Ethanol reduces the CO2 and is contributing to the Global Ice Age. We must all do our part to increase CO2 emmissions.


28 posted on 01/10/2010 4:17:38 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: Shellybenoit

If it happens, then we need to sue Gore and his supporters for fraud.


29 posted on 01/10/2010 4:22:18 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: screaminsunshine

I was asking a serious question. Used to go to Florida often, but I’ve not been there in quite a while. Also, I though ice was sprayed over the fruit to prevent freezing. However, I didn’t know a grower couldn’t use smudge pots, let alone someone with a few trees on his property (even though I did know that some residents’ individual trees were cut down—competition to growers, I guess).


30 posted on 01/10/2010 4:22:42 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

Naahhh. No Smudge Pots. They also cut down all the Austrailian Pines that served as windbreaks. Face it. We have let the Government go wild on us. These people are Nuts.


31 posted on 01/10/2010 4:26:59 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!three if by government)
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To: Shellybenoit

What do they mean by global temperatures anyway? Assuming that the total radiant energy from the sun that is reaching earth is constant, how can air or water currents affect the average temperature? Seems to me that all currents do is move accumulated heat from one part of the earth to another unless these currents can somehow increase the total heat energy retention of the earth under certain circumstances.


32 posted on 01/10/2010 4:33:24 PM PST by dr_who
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To: maggief

That cow must have had Mexican food.


33 posted on 01/10/2010 4:33:45 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan.....a Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: Shellybenoit

34 posted on 01/10/2010 4:36:11 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: screaminsunshine

CUDA! Go Mopar for Mo Powah.


35 posted on 01/10/2010 4:40:29 PM PST by MaxMax (Lets get a sense)
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To: screaminsunshine; All

emissions; imminent; eminent


36 posted on 01/10/2010 4:43:44 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: dr_who

Basically, you’re right; we have measurable regional temperatures and unmeasured interpolations — which are then added, averaged, adjusted and extrapolated for projections; and here we are.


37 posted on 01/10/2010 4:49:53 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: dr_who
Here is an example of how air can affect water temps at the surface. Take a close look at the Gulf of Mexico in the image below. It had been completely warmer then normal at least since summer. Notice how the Arctic air has cooled the Eastern Gulf near Florida and the Western Gulf near Texas. That just happened. Will probably be even cooler in the next days image. Someone posted on another thread how strange the waters off the Western coast of Florida looked yesterday from a jet landing in Florida. Steam was coming off the water. It was dramatically cooling.

Take a look at this animation. Note all the marine layer coming off the water in the Gulf and East coast of the US. That is because the air is much colder then the water. Our oceans are cooling. The sun moved the marine layer further off the coast by heating the air some, but late tonight the marine layer will be all the way to the coasts again.

Real-Time U.S. Composite Satellite Animation

38 posted on 01/10/2010 5:07:15 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: dr_who
And concerning the sun being a constant, it is not. Solar Activity varies quite dramatically across numerous vectors. Total Irradiance is not that important since the metric is screwed up by the nature of the sunspots themselves. The spots have a dark region that emits less light and a bright region that emits more light. So their affects on total emitted light are partially canceled. One of the real vectors one must look to see large scale variations is electromagnetic radiation outside the normal visible light spectrum (UV for example). It varies quite a bit. Also, solar wind, magnetic flux and cosmic ray interference are important vectors. And I am sure there are a few more that us apes is clueless about.
39 posted on 01/10/2010 5:22:37 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
CME’s are also important. Coronal Mass Ejections. That mass is traveling at very fast velocities.
40 posted on 01/10/2010 5:27:21 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
So their affects on total emitted light are partially canceled.

In terms of electromagnetic radiation at least, I wouldn't expect them to have any measureable effect on the ~1300 W/m^2 we get from the sun, given how much surface area that the sun has. And what's so special about UV? As for subatomic particles that probably mostly bombard the poles, it would be interesting to know how that affects polar weather patterns or whether radiation in the upper reaches of the atmosphere have much of relevance to the lower atmosphere which I guess is what we're really concerned about.


41 posted on 01/10/2010 5:35:54 PM PST by dr_who
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To: maggief

Caption: India test fires its newest ballistic missile.


42 posted on 01/10/2010 5:37:07 PM PST by dr_who
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To: justa-hairyape
Not sure what you mean by the “marine layer”, but it sure appears that there is a concentration of unusually hot water in the Chesapeake bay region.
43 posted on 01/10/2010 5:42:39 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who
And what's so special about UV?

Very important. It affects the Ozone Layer for starters. Another NASA scare born from ignorance. A new study also found that it affects the temperature of Earth's outer atmosphere, which ends up causing the outer atmosphere to expand and shrink in volume.

44 posted on 01/10/2010 5:43:47 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: dr_who
The Chesapeake Bay area is actually very cold. They use the same color on both ends of the chart. Probably cooled from the Arctic Air. Just watch, that bright pink cold area will expand dramatically and may eventually show up in the Gulf. That is what happened in the Southern Hemisphere last winter. And the summer sun is not making those cold pink spots warm down there. Do not know what the heck is going on in that warm spot in the center of Southern Pacific Ocean. It developed after the cold spots now located near New Zealand and South America developed. Probably due to some very large current eddies. But as one famous scientists kinda once said, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
45 posted on 01/10/2010 5:50:07 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape
Why should the sun's output of UV fluctuate any more than most of the visible and IR spectrum (ie a couple of W/m^2)? ?
46 posted on 01/10/2010 5:50:30 PM PST by dr_who
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To: justa-hairyape
Can't stand that part of the country. Frickin' cold wind in the winter and yucky stagnant hot air in the summer.

Do not know what the heck is going on in that warm spot in the center of Southern Pacific Ocean. It developed after the cold spots now located near New Zealand and South America developed. Probably due to some very large current eddies. But as one famous scientists kinda once said, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

I personally don't trust anyone named Eddie.
47 posted on 01/10/2010 5:54:35 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who
I personally don't trust anyone named Eddie.

Neither do I. And the Eddie I knew ended up dead in a ditch in Michigan. What goes around comes around eventually.

48 posted on 01/10/2010 5:59:35 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: dr_who
Don't know what you linked there, but I do not download files from links like that. Can you point to a web page ? Again, as I explained. The visible light metric is a poor metric to use to analyze solar activity variations. Real simple. Dark area cancel light area. Got it ?
49 posted on 01/10/2010 6:03:36 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

It’s a link to an ASCII text file on a government website giving irradiance values for the sun from 1979-2003. Haven’t cought a virus from an ASCII text file yet but would change my browser and OS shortly afterwards if I did.


50 posted on 01/10/2010 6:08:51 PM PST by dr_who
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