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Afgahnistan: Rules of Engagement that can only lose a war and Obama knows it.
The Collins Report ^ | January 16, 2010 | Suzanne Eovaldi

Posted on 01/16/2010 8:41:01 AM PST by jmaroneps37

The ubiquitous yellow jugs joined to the hips of Florida pool owners are different icons in Afghanistan. They’re the carriers of fertilizer and diesel fuel terrorists use to blow up our boys with roadside bombs called IED’s.

Question: “Was it our general and not our President doing the dithering in the 90 days of contemplation before Obama released 30,000 more of our boys to be fed into the maw of a war we refuse to win?”

In a recent NPR interview Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman (just returned from being “in country,”) told hostess Renee Montagne he observed our Marines tracking “guys” trailing wire under water and another guy carrying a yellow jug at a locale in the Helmand River Valley in southern Afghanistan. Bowman said while watching “live while guys were digging a hole for a roadside bomb. . .there was a guy swimming across a canal with this wire, and the wires are used to detonate the bomb.” This took place near where an IED went off the other day.

When, according to Bowman, our helicopter came in over the activity, its pilot didn’t fire and flew off, guns still cold. Our Marines walked out of their surveillance shack very frustrated after seeing the jug guy toss it into a haystack and merely disappear into the crowd of villagers. Why? Because our new very stringent Rules of Engagement laid down by General McCrystal would not permit our side to take out the potential roadside bombers because of the villagers.

Was McCrystal the hesitant one knowing he’d have to enact these impossible new ROE’s in exchange for more of our boys in a blood for blather contract? In other words, did Obama “give” Afghanistan more troops in exchange for ROE’s more compatible with his far left political base?....

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: afgahanistan; afghanistan; mccrystal; military; roe; rulesofengagement
While the jerk in Washington dithers our war fighters are dying - exactly what we could have expected.
1 posted on 01/16/2010 8:41:03 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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I wonder if he smiles when he hears about our guys dying.


2 posted on 01/16/2010 9:00:24 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots
I wonder if he smiles when he hears about our guys dying.

Okay, if that's true, conservatives in Congress should refuse to approve Obama's plan to send more troops and also vote for a resolution to bring the others home, right?

3 posted on 01/16/2010 9:03:52 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: jmaroneps37

I know this easier said than done, but it is time for some well regarded senior officers to resign. When the ROE endangers the men who serve it must be most be forcefully brought to the attention of those with authority to change the rules.


4 posted on 01/16/2010 9:09:22 AM PST by ozdragon
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To: Captain Kirk

Actually, if true, yes. How many troops died while he was ‘making up his mind’? You don’t win by fighting without killing. You make the other guy die for his country. It is all about will. If we don’t have the will to win and make sure the other side knows this, we need to bring our guys home and let the other guys go hang.

Afghans & Pashtun only know war. From birth. They are hardened fighters. They expect us to fight them to the death. Otherwise, we are trifling, Hazara boys.


5 posted on 01/16/2010 9:16:56 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

They won’t do it, of course so it is all academic. Obama is depending on conservative votes and they will comply.


6 posted on 01/16/2010 9:31:43 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: combat_boots

You don’t win by fighting without killing.”

That’s not completely true.You win a war by taking ground away from the enemy until he has nowhere else to go.

I can see why people are confused by this winning strategy, because after WW2 our govt. decided on a new strategy, send a bunch of our guys out to secure an area,lose a lot of our guys, secure the objective and then pull out and let the enemy have it back, so we could come back another day and do it all over again.


7 posted on 01/16/2010 9:32:57 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: philetus

While I agree with your statement on real estate, you also have to destroy the other guy’s will to win and confidence in that will.

The people around 0bama express decidedly different views on what their will for the US and our military is. It appears that the policies of this administration understand only political victory, to which end anything and anyone can be sacrificed, including the United States of America itself.


8 posted on 01/16/2010 9:39:17 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: jmaroneps37

My objection to sending troops to Afghan is they are in danger of being sent to UN International “Courts” because the Afghans have signed the UN treaty.


9 posted on 01/16/2010 9:54:51 AM PST by Bhoy
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To: combat_boots
>>>How many troops died while he was ‘making up his mind’?<<<

I think I read that someone put the tally at 113.

Of course this is not to say that many were killed, not because of his dithering on more troops, but on his and McChrystal's insistance on Rules of Engagement [ROE's] that preserve the enemy and cost American lives.

10 posted on 01/16/2010 10:12:57 AM PST by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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