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On the Troll Problem

Posted on 01/17/2010 4:22:23 PM PST by reasonisfaith

This is a response to the plan by Obama and his advisors like Cass Sunstein to “cognitively infiltrate” groups they wrongfully designate as targets. So the leftists think they’re gonna pull off an Alinsky-style revolution, for the purpose of overthrowing the United States Constitution?

There are many here who will support and defend the United States Constitution, and who will reject the tactics of Saul Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, and all of communism. There are many here who take communist icons at their word, considering them as enemies of the United States. These enemies can be defeated.

Sinister characters, with neither the courage nor the ability to make themselves known publicly, use Obama to steal our liberty. Like puppeteer wannabees, they direct their puppet and the leftist-controlled House and Senate to institute the slavery of socialism.

Their mental-slave labor comes from unions such as SEIU. Healthcare, climate legislation, immigration and exploitation of natural disasters like the earthquake in Haiti are just some of the fronts they use to overthrow liberty.

We’re on the right side. From tea parties to Sarah Palin, to the Brown/Coakley race in Massachusetts, we are gaining a stronghold. Climategate and ongoing cold weather, along with algore photos, have been a source of comic relief. This forum has unlimited potential to advance our front line as we fight to defend liberty.

But we still have trolls to deal with, trolls who think they can infiltrate Free Republic as they try to overthrow our free republic.

Now here’s the whole point of this thread. If anyone is disheartened by the reality of not knowing whom to trust on this website, there is a solution.

Trust the principles first, and the rest will fall into place. Most Freepers are trustworthy.

The fruit born by leftist trolls on this website--their comments--will in some instances seem a bit out of place. It will be presented buried and hidden from view, amongst conservative-sounding rhetoric. Eventually they violate one or more conservative principle. The most common tactic seems to be the attempt to plant a seed of doubt.

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" (Matthew 7:15-16)


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Trust the principles first. Watch for any attempt to cultivate doubt.

One of their greatest weaknesses is their belief that intellect is defined as the ability to deceive. Another is their failure to understand the worthlessness of their ideology.

1 posted on 01/17/2010 4:22:24 PM PST by reasonisfaith
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To: reasonisfaith

bfltr


2 posted on 01/17/2010 4:25:01 PM PST by mnehring
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To: reasonisfaith

http://www.brownforussenate.com/call-from-home-registration

CAll for Brown tomorrow...... I am and have ..... they can not stand constant pressure... now is the time and this is the first one.... We can work on Nelson and others...later.


3 posted on 01/17/2010 4:25:31 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: reasonisfaith; Jim Robinson; LucyT; Fred Nerks

I think that the free market system might help is all. If Jim made FR a subscription site, I think that we would have very few “trolls” and a much better sounding board, and organizatuional site for the conservative movement.

Only subscribers could post, and pay for the privilege. Everyone else could view as much as yhey want. I would have no qualms about seeing Jim do just that, and still require subscribers to have a conservative orientation.

HOw much would it cost a year ?

$88k x 4 / 70,000= 5 bucks a year. I am good for it.


4 posted on 01/17/2010 4:31:01 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: Candor7

I’d pay for twenty years in advance.


5 posted on 01/17/2010 4:34:21 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals are just creative enough to fall into their own intellectual trap.)
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To: Candor7

HA! They only exist because their hero is a fraud and afraid of being uncovered. As soon as he slides down that slippery slope he’s already put both feet on, they will drift away like pondscum in the wind.


6 posted on 01/17/2010 4:38:03 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Candor7

Hmmm, your suggestion smacks of re-direction....suggesting a subscription eh? Just something a mole would do throw people off his trail!

What are you hiding?

(j/k)


7 posted on 01/17/2010 4:38:06 PM PST by wolf24
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To: reasonisfaith

Could this be why some of the SEIU members are backing Brown in Mass? Holding up signs for Brown, to make his support seem like it is more than it should be, just to get shot down on Tuesday?


8 posted on 01/17/2010 4:38:17 PM PST by RatsDawg
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To: reasonisfaith
Unfortunately, there are people here who have a knee-jerk response to anyone who doesn't agree with them. "Troll", "RINO", "Newbie" are favorite epithets towards anyone not in synch with a particular thread's "momentum."
9 posted on 01/17/2010 4:38:31 PM PST by workerbee (Yes, I hate Obama because of his color: RED!)
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To: reasonisfaith

DU type trolls are easy to spot, it’s the RINOs that are a little bit harder


10 posted on 01/17/2010 4:38:56 PM PST by henry_reardon
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To: All

I guess I should confess right now. I would like to be the official FR troll.


11 posted on 01/17/2010 4:39:29 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: reasonisfaith; Jim Robinson

This has been a tactic of the Romney camp for over a year...had some success early on actually, and probably saddled us with McCain.


12 posted on 01/17/2010 4:40:26 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: reasonisfaith

Many of us would. Jim could go with the next evolution.Many of us have been hinting. If the trolls want on board, make them pay big.And fine them every time they exceed posting guidelines with 5th column crap ( gotchyer credit card numbah!!!!)

I’d love to see that.We could be Sunstein proof in a snap.


13 posted on 01/17/2010 4:41:01 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: reasonisfaith
The red sun fails the rabbit.

Angus has left home for work.

Strong men of all kinds play football on Wednesday.

14 posted on 01/17/2010 4:41:40 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: wolf24

BUahahahahah. I am hiding your rectum? You need an enema or perhaps a pool push.I am redirecting nothing.


15 posted on 01/17/2010 4:42:43 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: Candor7

EXCELLENT IDEA!!

I too agree that with a subscription-based model, it would eliminate the DU/Kos-trolls. + might once and for all end the quarterly freepathons.

You could also offer lifetime memberships, as well as different levels of membership. Gold, Silver, Bronze would allow members to have avatars + extra’s.


16 posted on 01/17/2010 4:43:57 PM PST by adm5 (THE COMING TAX REVOLT SHOULD BE THE LAST THING OBAMA & CO. SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT.)
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To: optiguy
You'll need this, but ya gotta share.


17 posted on 01/17/2010 4:44:02 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Fred Nerks

could already be happening. I have seen little troll spoor of late.


18 posted on 01/17/2010 4:44:07 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: reasonisfaith

Probably me. I manage to yank somebody’s chain at least once a day.


19 posted on 01/17/2010 4:44:37 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: optiguy
Nah, that would be me.

Muahahahahaha

The original number 666

20 posted on 01/17/2010 4:44:48 PM PST by toros
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To: Candor7

(j/k) = Joking.


21 posted on 01/17/2010 4:46:22 PM PST by wolf24
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To: adm5

Yes, I think it a good idea whose time is upon us,many of us have been here for over 5 years, and we have a loyal following.

It also might make it harder for the DHS to intervene on a private site.

We also could have a combination of private/public.


22 posted on 01/17/2010 4:47:55 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: wolf24

My apology. Its been a long freaking day.


23 posted on 01/17/2010 4:48:50 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: reasonisfaith

Everybody is somebody else’s troll.


24 posted on 01/17/2010 4:49:45 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Candor7

No problem FRiend. It was a lame attempt at humor anyway on a long Sunday of chasing a 4 month old boy and 3 year old boy around while trying to watch two football games and surf FR......


25 posted on 01/17/2010 4:51:26 PM PST by wolf24
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To: reasonisfaith
Sundsteen may well be a card carrying CommParty member. And he is fanatical. This evil man no doubt froths at the mouth at the mention of the 2nd Amendment. Wants total disarmament--for the citizens--and of course the Nazi Gestapo/SS force his boss is trying to inflict upon us.

That said, my opinion on trolls is to watch them for a certain period of time--a pattern will form. I have seen posters zotted for silly posts or comments when they were new and probably harmless. Worse, longstanding members--Marines for example, good conservatives, Paulites--as if a mod took their comments personally.

I like to think new signups are attracted to FR because they find like minds and want to join the fight against the New Politburo in DC.

And yes, support Scott Brown! Help make Jan 20 Morning In America!!!

26 posted on 01/17/2010 4:55:09 PM PST by molybdenum ( Now go do the right thing!------Dr Laura)
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To: reasonisfaith

Infiltrators are not trolls.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2165967/posts?page=18#18


27 posted on 01/17/2010 4:56:01 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: optiguy
I would like to be the official FR troll.

I take it that you are not afraid of cats.

28 posted on 01/17/2010 4:57:21 PM PST by norton
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To: Non-Sequitur
Funny you should say that. LOL
29 posted on 01/17/2010 4:58:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
My favorite was:
"A wet owl never flies at night"
30 posted on 01/17/2010 5:00:07 PM PST by norton
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To: reasonisfaith
These threats are meant to instill fear and stifle free speech.
31 posted on 01/17/2010 5:00:07 PM PST by hope
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To: reasonisfaith

Is this really more of a problem now than before? I think Sunstein may be playing mind games to seed paranoia.


32 posted on 01/17/2010 5:02:00 PM PST by decimon
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To: reasonisfaith; darkwing104; Old Sarge

Lately, there have been several zotted who had old sign up dates, but only recent posting activity.

Just because someone has “been here for years” doesn’t make them legit. Look at their posting history.


33 posted on 01/17/2010 5:02:50 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: optiguy
I would like to be the official FR troll.

OK.


34 posted on 01/17/2010 5:04:04 PM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: wolf24

I been there, and believe it or not , in what will later seem like a short while they will leave home and you will be alone like me.I remember my young family with a great deal of fondness.


35 posted on 01/17/2010 5:07:18 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: Candor7; Jim Robinson

That’s really not a good idea if the mission is furthering conservative ideals. We want what we discuss here to be viewed easily by everybody.

Would a church charge visitors who stop by to learn more about their congregation?

Trolls can’t come close to competing with the members here, and I imagine that Jim is able to raise what he needs with Freepathons. If he needs more money to operate the site I’m sure we’ll hear about it! :)


36 posted on 01/17/2010 5:15:55 PM PST by Uncledave
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To: reasonisfaith
This ends justify the means philosophy/tactic of theirs cannot be allowed to suceed.

It might even necessitate me calling the talkshows again, even though I have pretty much stopped that hobby.

37 posted on 01/17/2010 5:16:09 PM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: reasonisfaith

Trolls have only two basic approaches to infiltration.
1.) Watering down the message in order to appear “more reasonable”. (i.e. moderate, worldly etc.)
2.)Going extreme in order to show outsiders “how scary these conservatives are” using their own planted posts.


38 posted on 01/17/2010 5:18:20 PM PST by TradicalRC (Secular conservatism is liberalism.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Lately, there have been several zotted who had old sign up dates, but only recent posting activity.

I have noticed this... I've been a Freeper since 2003 and there generally aren't too many posters from 1998... and I know the ones who are...but all of a sudden there's a rash of posters from 1998, and none of the names are familiar to me. And they don't seem to know anything about FR either, and they ask questions about things they would certainly know if they'd been posting for 10+ years.

39 posted on 01/17/2010 5:30:42 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Everybody is somebody else’s troll.”

Reminds me of a solution, mentioned here once, to the reality problem faced by liberals pushing global warming: warm is the same thing as cold.


40 posted on 01/17/2010 5:33:31 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals are just creative enough to fall into their own intellectual trap.)
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Don’t become over-confident. The libs will use every dirty trick in the book to insure Scott loses.

HELP SCOTT DEFEAT THE OBAMA SOCK PUPPET!!

(stole this from another FReeper, but bears repeating)

•People in ANY state can volunteer for the phone bank! http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/phone-calls-for-freedom-call-1?commentId=2600775%3AComment%3A1891491&xg_source=activity

•Anyone… Anywhere… Contribute! https://www.icontribute.us/scottbrown

•Live in or near MA? Volunteers still needed at many regional offices. If you can help, please email Laura@brownforussenate.com and she will tell you how.

•If you live in Massachusetts, become an election judge. In Boston they pay $135-$185 and they NEED Republican monitors.

Needed; military and retired law enforcement VFW and police organizations etc to monitor polls- prevent the voter fraud they’re plotting right now. Video tape everything; document everything; prosecute the perpetrators. http://www.cityofboston.gov/news/default.aspx?id=3599


41 posted on 01/17/2010 5:36:11 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: decimon

The point is not any increase or decrease in the problem.

If that were Sunstein’s agenda, he would be defeated by the actual leftist infiltrators whose existence turns irrational paranoia into reasonable vigilance.


42 posted on 01/17/2010 5:39:26 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals are just creative enough to fall into their own intellectual trap.)
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To: henry_reardon
DU type trolls are easy to spot, it’s the RINOs that are a little bit harder

Indeed. And the RINOs may very well do more damage. In fact, if I were a leftist infiltrator, I would take the RINO approach over the troll approach any day. The worst kind of RINOs are the constant naysayers. They seem to want to direct FreeRepublic into being some sort of meaningless chat room rather than an activists' website. They argue against every action that is proposed here because it's too much trouble, or it might make us look bad, or aren't there other things we should worry about first, or the people on TV said it was stupid so it must be, or...
43 posted on 01/17/2010 5:41:00 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Candor7

..they only congregate on CoLB and birth announcement threads, let’s us know what it is they fear the most, doesn’t it?


44 posted on 01/17/2010 5:42:22 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: RatsDawg

I’m inclined to believe the SEIU people are truly supporting Brown.

One reason among many is the fact that leftists will often go down in a chaotic battle amongst themselves, because of the fact that their global agenda is nothing but a collection of the many smaller agendas of different special interest groups.

This dynamic sets up the inevitable outcome that the various groups will in time come into conflict with one another.


45 posted on 01/17/2010 5:48:18 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals are just creative enough to fall into their own intellectual trap.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Well FRED, we know who has the deadly ammo on our Narcist. If he forces the Health Care vite, there will be a sramble to get rid of him before 2012, which is where the birther experts come in.

Polarik, Fred Nerks, LucyT, and a score of others could go to Washington, and tell them exactly what they need to do, and where to do it.

You betcha they are worried.Everyone may soon want rid of the idiot.


46 posted on 01/17/2010 5:50:32 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: workerbee

But your discomfort is quickly eased by the knowledge that conservatives are drawn to ideas rather than to people. Conservatives generally have the intellectual advantage over liberals in that they’re capable of grasping this concept either on a theoretical level or through common sense.

The conservative principles are almost universal among conservatives. Smaller, more insignificant disagreements can occur but if the discussion is properly filtered down to identify the relevant principles, conservatives are more likely to agree with one another even if they first thought themselves in conflict.


47 posted on 01/17/2010 5:54:45 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals are just creative enough to fall into their own intellectual trap.)
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To: Uncledave

Well it should be viewed by everybody. Put you gots to pay to post babe!


48 posted on 01/17/2010 5:54:49 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member RA))
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To: optiguy

Fascinating.

With a single post you debut as a troll while simultaneously ending your troll career.


49 posted on 01/17/2010 5:58:34 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals are just creative enough to fall into their own intellectual trap.)
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To: Candor7

They do appear to have scattered, with a few exceptions.


50 posted on 01/17/2010 6:04:14 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Liberals are just creative enough to fall into their own intellectual trap.)
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