Skip to comments.The Real Conspiracy is the one they won’t talk about
Posted on 01/25/2010 9:05:13 AM PST by opentalk
THERE IS MUCH EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT AN AGREEMENT WAS MADE TO PUSH OBAMA AND IGNORE THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT
I believe that the RNC and DNC at the highest levels in 2008 were both complicit in shutting down all discussion of Obamas eligibility issue in the Congress, Main Stream Media, Print Press, and in the leading conservative Talk Show radio stations.
I believe that the RNC and the DNC were complicit in subverting Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of our Constitution as to the eligibility requirements for the Office of the President, i.e., the person eligible for that office must be a natural born Citizen, i.e., one born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country such that the child born has singular and sole allegiance at birth to the USA and no citizenship at birth with any other country via his parents or due to the place or location of birth.
A natural born Citizen needs no law or resolution of Congress to give or clarify citizenship status. Natural born Citizenship status can only be obtained by the facts of nature at the childs birth. This is natural law. This is what the founders and framers of our Constitution required for the singular and most powerful office of the President and Commander in Chief of the military.
John Jay and George Washington put that requirement into the Constitution for exactly the reason that the person serving in that office would have no foreign influences on him/her at birth due to the facts and circumstances of his/her citizenship at birth. Only natural born Citizenship in the USA per natural law guarantees no other allegiance or citizenship claims by an another country at birth.
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“THERE IS MUCH EVIDENCE”
The reader gets excited!
Wait, what? Where’s the evidence?
Anything? Evidence? Just a scintilla?
The reader is now bored and disappointed.
Globalists love the idea of international presidents.
In a sense its kind of like kings and queens did to cement relationships with other nations.
Doesnt’ matter. The vast majority of Americans neither understand the law nor care. They want flash and glamour and free stuff.
Where have you found one shred of credible evidence that Zero *is* a natural born citizen? Every previous president in my lifetime has had credible evidence already in the public domain that they were a natural born citizen, and thus complied with Article II, Section I, Clause 5. Obama hasn’t. He has broken the Constitution.
I know Soros gave money to both McCain and Obama.
I wonder how much it cost him to buy off everyone else?
Of course there was.
The oligarchy decided that well before the election.
They even summoned Shrillery and OThuga to their Canadian meeting not that long before the public Nov Selection to inform them.
“I believe that the RNC and DNC at the highest levels in 2008 were both complicit in shutting down all discussion of Obamas eligibility issue...”
esp Juan McCain himself......of course, HE has his very own portfolio of skeletons in his own closet, any of which would have ended his candidacy.....this is why the Dems also put everything they had to work insuring he won the primary.....in the end, McCain surrendered the election to obama rather than be exposed as one with/for the lack of integrity. In that way, he is obama’s equal!
Ping to Kerchner take on his alleged RNC and DNC conspiracy to impose “cone of silence” on Obama’s eligibility...
So far the ineligibility issue has been of rumors and whispers. I hope and believe this year it will become a roar. The founders were wise to bar those from the Presidency who held allegiances to other countries and other ideals and beliefs so contrary to ours.
“Where have you found one shred of credible evidence that Zero *is* a natural born citizen?”
I haven’t. Then again, I DO NOT CLAIM that such evidence exists, then spend my time expounding on my “beliefs” which are just about one cut above “feelings.”
Kerchner sounds like he is getting discouraged. Given all of his research, and expertise of the law, he sees the bigger picture of corruption. Glad he is moving forward.
Where’s Michael Rivera when you need him?
Where have you found one shred of credible evidence that Zero *is* a natural born citizen? Every previous president in my lifetime has had credible evidence already in the public domain that they were a natural born citizen, and thus complied with Article II, Section I, Clause 5. Obama hasnt. He has broken the Constitution.
They also tried to use the citizen issue against McCain's birth in the Canal Zone (which would have been used to invalidate his presidency if he had won). Short memories, people? Amnesia? Stupidity?
But its always good to see all the loons together on one thread so we know where you are.
I haven’t kept up with him.
You can be fairly certain that all the liberal idiot Presidents and to some degree even GOP Presidents of the last 100 years have put corrupt judges in place who are beholdin and/or philosophically in agreement and/or under the heavy thumb of their globalist puppet masters from the gitgo.
Reagan may have managed to get some good judges in place, I don’t know. Probably not in key areas.
I used to think we were a lot better than Asia on such scores.
I no longer think so.
THE KING IS COMING . . . AND HE’S GOING TO CLEAN HOUSE.
Actually, He’s going to clean the planet. Not a single evil doer will be left.
I see...people who want the constitution adhered to are loons.
"Dreams of My Father". The CoLB, showing a Kenyan/British subject as his father. Vattel's "Law of Nations" which provides the defintion of "natural born citizen", and was well known to those who wrote and ratified the Constitution, in both the original French and the rather poor English translation then available.
The evidence is there for those who wish to see it.
Well, that’s not what you said, is it?
The reason America works is because we are a nation built on laws.
You really are an Obamatron aren’t you. The Hawaians have never given a proper answer, and the Ankeney Judgement is a joke that Leo Donofrio shot to pieces, shame he’s taken his website info down. Still Leo says as follows:
Also, the Chester Arthur analysis in Footnote 16 reeks. This Indiana decision is pure evil. They have rewritten history to make it appear as if the whole world knew Chester Arthur was a British citizen at birth while history records this blog discovered that fact and first published it to the world in December 2008. Before that time, it was not known. The propaganda has spread from the press to the courts.]
The Indiana Court of Appeals in the Arkeny and Kruse case has just issued a lame judicial attempt at defining the natural born citizen clause. The errors of fact and law incorporated into the decision serve as a beacon outlining the desperation certain government factions now face. Obviously, the British birth issue is getting on their nerves and this was clearly an attempt to derail further national discussion on this issue.
Their main argument is to state that citizens are only born or naturalized. That fails to take into account the framers (and other original citizens) who themselves were neither born citizens nor were they naturalized. So the Court proves itself a bit wonky on that point. Still, I certainly do not dispute that today all US citizens are either born or naturalized. But thats not the point. The necessary evaluation requires consideration of the various types of born citizenship. And on this important issue, the Indiana Court of Appeals has failed.
Born citizens can be broken up into three groups:
1. natural born
2. citizens by statute
3. 14th amendment citizens
- All three classes were born as US citizens, but not all three are the same. Persons born abroad are citizens by federal statute.
- A person born on US soil to alien parents who were domiciled here, according to Wong Kim Ark, is a 14th Amendment citizen.
- Natural born citizens are born on US soil to parents who are citizens.
All of the above are citizens, but each reaches their citizenship through different circumstances.
To be natural born is a circumstance of citizenship. It is not a separate level of citizenship. All citizens have equal rights. But naturalized citizens arent eligible for the office of President. This is because the natural born citizen clause is a national security measure, not a right of citizenship. The Indiana Court conveniently ignores this point.
Born citizens are not necessarily bestowed with citizenship in the same way. Some require a statute. Some require the 14th Amendment. Some were natural born and their citizenship was self-evident.
Blogger and attorney Larry Welch goes on to show some of the other oddities of the order:
Something I uncovered a few months ago that has been overlooked by all of the parties is that the certification filed with Indianas Election Division by the DNC and Indianas Democratic Party omitted language certifying that Barack Obama was a natural born citizen. Thats not a problem though for Judge Brown, who then went on to offer her constitutional interpretation of what natural born citizen means, something our U.S. Supreme Court has never done and something she had no obligation to do since there were already sufficient grounds to affirm Judge Dreyers dismissal of the badly flawed lawsuit.
The only thing I believe the plaintiffs got right in their lawsuit was their contention that a natural born citizen is a person born within the U.S. to two U.S. citizen parents. Obamas father was at all times during his life a citizen of Kenya, which at the time of Obamas birth was a British commonwealth. By virtue of his fathers citizenship, Obama was indisputably a dual citizen at birth. A person owing allegiance to two countries cannot be described as a natural born citizen in my opinion. The fact that Obama says he never affirmed his British citizenship before the age he was legally required to do so is irrelevant. A fact conveniently overlooked in Judge Browns decision is that Obama immigrated to Indonesia at age 6 with his mother and became a citizen in that country as well after his step-father adopted him. Sen. John McCain also arguably was not a natural born citizen because he was born in a Panamanian hospital while his father was stationed at a Navy base in the Panama Canal Zone. Both Obama and McCain are U.S. citizens for different reasons, but the term natural born citizen is a unique term used in the U.S. Constitution only to define a persons eligibility to serve as president.
It is worth noting that of the dozens of cases that have been brought forth over the past year challenging whether Obama is a natural born citizen, this is the only opinion that has been decided on the merits of the claim that he is not a natural born citizen. Every other decision refrained from making any determination on the actual merit; instead, the courts dismissed the complaints for lack of standing on the part of the plaintiffs to bring the constitutional eligibility challenge. Theres a reason other courts failed to reach a conclusion Judge Brown reached in this opinion. It is based upon the long-held rule of constitutional interpretation that a court should refrain from deciding a case on constitutional grounds when the case can be disposed of on other non-constitutional grounds. Procedurally, this case had to be dismissed because the plaintiffs sued the wrong defendant and lacked standing to sue. There was no reason for the court to decide a constitutional question as it did in this case, and thats what makes it so disturbing. Judge Terry Crone and Melissa May signed on to Judge Browns decision. Gov. Mitch Daniels appointed Judge Brown to the Court of Appeals last year. I bet we wont hear Gov. Daniels complaining about the judicial activism of his own appointees like he did the judges who ruled Indianas voter I.D. law unconstitutional.
The truth of all the above can be summed up in the following two points:
The Judiciary has never made a ruling on the definition of natural born citizenship eligibility with respect to the presidency. For any Judge to attempt to opine on the subject, as has been done before when there is no legitimate reason to do so, shows further anecdotal evidence that the Judiciary needs to be restrained;
Since even this Judge wont touch the fact that Mr. Obama was a British citizen at birth, this bigger issue of his background will continue until the evidence is shown that otherwise contradicts what is already admitted about this man.
So the mainstream media needs to be pressured not to investigate stories that may harm Democratic candidates?
Another day, another definition of natural born citizen...
Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:
Tactic #5. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.
Yes and Nancy Pelosi is complict in this up to her eyeballs and here’s the proof!
Not only that every judge up to and including the Supreme Court should be tried if this matter came before them and they found a way to dismiss it on a technicality
Don’t try to kill the messenger!
I simply stated the facts. If you take issue with those facts, that is certainly your prerogative.
My suggested solution to this issue is that conservative Republicans need to put maximum political pressure on the Republican Attorney General of Hawaii, Mark Bennett to convene a Grand Jury investigation for forgery and fraud concerning Obama’s Certification of Live Birth.
It is obvious to me after 62 adjudications with no victories for any plaintiff in any court at any level all the way to the US Supreme Court that the civil suit legal strategy has failed and will not succeed. Donofrio v Wells is one of the seven lawsuits to make it to conference at the Supreme Court and to be rejected for a Writ of Certiorari without comment from the Justices. Since it only takes the concurrence of four Justices to Grant a Writ of Certiorari and hear an appeal before the full court, Donofrio failed to convince Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia, or Thomas.
I favor a criminal investigation and the utilization of prosecutorial subpoena power to force release of the vault copy, long form vital record. That is allowable under Hawaii statutes. If everything is on the “up and up” then “no harm, no foul.” If forensic experts determine that there is tampering or forgery, then criminal charges can be filed and impeachment proceedings would ensue.
“The author believes there is much evidence, I believe.”
Which in and of itself just HAS to be evidence of SOMETHING....I believe.
Sounds like Jim Robinson might be a loon too!
No, you’re definitely an Obot. “62 adjudications with no victories for any plaintiff”. None that consider the matter of Natural Born Citizenship on its merits. That alone tellls us that they don’t want a prper hearing cos they no Obanmbi isn’t NBC. He has admitted his dad was Kenyan for goodness sake. No President since the Founders has openly had a non US citizen parent.
No, youre definitely an Obot. 62 adjudications with no victories for any plaintiff. None that consider the matter of Natural Born Citizenship on its merits. That alone tellls us that they dont want a prper hearing cos they no Obanmbi isnt NBC. He has admitted his dad was Kenyan for goodness sake. No President since the Founders has openly had a non US citizen parent.
Obviously you don’t have a clue what “adjudication” means.
Here’s a precise legal definition of the term for you: “The legal process of resolving a dispute. The formal giving or pronouncing of a judgment or decree in a court proceeding; also the judgment or decision given. The entry of a decree by a court in respect to the parties in a case. It implies a hearing by a court, after notice, of legal evidence on the factual issue(s) involved. The equivalent of a determination. It indicates that the claims of all the parties thereto have been considered and set at rest.”
When a lawsuit is dismissed or denied a trial hearing for lack of standing, that is an adjudication. And if a judge or justice rules that a lawsuit has no merit, it has been adjudicated as having been dismissed or denied a trial.
If someone were to sue you and the court threw the case out, did you win?
With specific regard to Obama’s eligibility that has now happened 62 times including 7 times at the US Supreme Court which operates under “the rule of four” meaning that it only takes four justices to agree to hear a suit before the full court. Which further means that no Obama eligibility lawsuit has impressed any combination of originalist, strict constructionist Justices Alito, Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas enough to grant it a hearing.
The criminal courts are the way to resolve the Obama eligibility issue, not the civil courts. The only legitimate constitutional issue is whether Obama’s COLB is forged, tampered with or fraudulent. Forgery and fraud are criminal matters not civil matters.
I’m done with you now. Recess is over. Go back to class.
. . . . Article and #20. (Site Pests arrived early on this thread. Just ignore 'em.)
[Thanks SeizetheCarp, and danamco.]
The usual after birther Trolls are drawn to this thread like Moths to a flame. What a sorry bunch of treasonous fifth column bastids.
EFF YOU every one. Wait until the OBA Colb is published and revealed. Come to my place y’all, so I can punch each one
of you in the nose, and shoot your dog on the spot.
LOL. And that would be too kind to the likes of you!
If Hawaii actually declared the online COLB for Obama to be real then there is no doubt that they themselves are guilty of the Class B felony of forgery. See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/
If you read the article and documentation I linked to just now you’ll see that Hawaii law actually would have allowed any Secretary of State to see a certified copy of Obama’s original birth certificate.
And the DOH has already indirectly confirmed not only that the Factcheck and FTS COLB’s are forgeries but that they know it and don’t consider themsleves legally able to even report it as a forgery.
So we’re already to the place that criminal charges should be filed but we can’t even find anybody who will touch it. That’s what Obama’s threats to media and the media’s willingness to throw Constitutionalists under the bus on this issue has done.
But I agree with you that the criminal charges route is the only way we’ll see justice done on this. I don’t trust the DC Circuit Court at all on Quo Warranto - not after what the “Magnificent Seven” has been up to!
I actually think we need a two-pronged approach in order for it all to work - and we’re on track for that, if we can bring enough public pressure to force a criminal investigation.
The way I see it, if we can inform the public and force a criminal investigation it will force the DC Court to not only do the Quo Warranto thing that Leo is asking for, the case will already be proven so they will have no choice (I know, I’m dreaming) but to agree that Obama was never eligible to be the president and thus has never been the president.
At that point the dems can try to figure out how to pass TARP 2 all over again and the spendulus and....
This information has been given to every lawmaker in Hawaii, the OIP, DOH, Ombudsmans office, HI lieutenant governor and governors offices, Nebraskas US attorney (who says they wont take reports from citizens), and Hawaiis director of the Department of Public Safety, as well as to multiple news organizations. The FBI thrice said they dont investigate document fraud. All refused to act. Red flags.
US attorney "wont take reports from citizens"?... The FBI dont investigate document fraud?
So much for a Nation, where: "no one is above the law."
All pigs are equal, but some pigs -- in the newly minted America -- are DEFINITELY a hell of a lot MORE equal than other pigs!
Once nominated, support McCain, or Bush, or Dole, or Bush I, or Gerald Ford, whatever their policy positions were because they were clearly better than the Democrat choice. Anyone who suggested that dissenters should not vote for McCain because he was the source of bad policies that were not in the interest of the Country was derided.
McCain is clearly not a natural born citizen any more than Obama is. There has never been any doubt on that issue--there wasn't any doubt when the Senate passed a resolution directing the Supreme Court to ignore the issue. But members here who ought to be at the front of the Constitutional argument were forcefully opposed to even talking about the McCain facts.
Frankly, I am disappointed that Sarah has agreed to campaign for McCain. Her excuse may well be that she owes him but I would like to hear her say so. In any event, we are fortunate to have other legitimate Conservative candidates in DeMint and Bachmann.
Between McCain and Obama? I'm not really sure it is possible to say one is worse than the other. Both support and advocate policies that are destructive of the foundations of our Republic. I don't see anything "lite" about McCain.
As to the point of this article, there is clearly some overriding force that precludes any open discussion of this issue. However in the face of that force, I believe current polling now indicates that 50% of America is now aware that Obama was born in Mombassa.
I tend to think that we are likely to see this issue turn around as people recognize the stakes. I am not sure what a preferred resolution ought to be. I think it's adverse to our interest to see Congress elect Mrs. Clinton which I see as an ultimate Constitutional resolution. But the issue has enough force at present that in the context of continuing erosion of support for Obama's policies and Administration, it is likely to be on the table as a legal Constitutional challange at some point.
Thanks for the warning, LucyT.
Got Mylanta and aspirin by my side.
Yes sir, The KING is going to clean house far sooner than folks think. Be ye ready to meet the KING!! CO
I’ve spoken to several people who have tried to report to the FBI. It’s sad. Really, really sad. After the FBI worker in the local office told me three times that the FBI doesn’t investigate document fraud I went online to find out who does. I submitted an online report which was supposedly forwarded to... the FBI.
I went to my US attorney’s office. They said they only take cases referred to them by the FBI or local law enforcement.
I called my county sheriff. A: Interesting stuff; I’ll forward it to the County Attorney but we don’t have the money to investigate anything.
I called my state AG. A: Didn’t happen in Nebraska so we can’t touch it.
I contacted the US Attorney in Hawaii’s office. They wouldn’t give out contact information.
I contacted my governor. A: “I trust that those who confirm this information for federal elections have done their job accurately.”
Before the election I went to my Secretary of State. A: The media would never let somebody get away with fraud. We take the applicant at his word.
I went to the HI ombudsman’s office. A: We don’t investigate crimes. Report it to the police yourself.
I contacted the HI Director of the Dept of Public Safety the only way available - through a web form. No response. I tried using the e-mail address template with his info so I could e-mail him personally and have record that I contacted him. Bounced back as undeliverable.
I went to the OIP and DOH. A: We can’t reveal what’s on a birth certificate, even to law enforcement when we know there’s been a forgery. (But we CAN reveal whatever we want from a birth certificate in a public statement if we want to - even though the Administrative Rules that we’ve hidden for over a year absolutely forbid it)
This is absolutely an indictment of the condition of law enforcement in our country. It’s a sick, sick joke. It is rule by the mob.
I’m not so sure about McCain’s eligibility. I’ve seen it argued from early legal sources (can’t remember which ones) that the children of a nation’s ambassadors are natural born even if they are born on foreign soil while their parent is serving as ambassador in that foreign land.
I don’t know how the law classifies military folks, but I would consider them ambassadors of the US when serving abroad.
That issue is for the courts to decide. It frustrates me that the court can do all this penumbra mumbo-jumbo regarding stuff that’s not even in the Constitution, but a question that is directly from the Constitution won’t be addressed.
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