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Wolves Attack & Kill Hunting Dogs (Warning Graphic Pictures!!!)
The Great White Hunter ^ | 1/28/10 | Ryan, The Great White Hunter

Posted on 01/28/2010 6:17:03 PM PST by Tom Hawks

I had just finished my first semester of college at the University of Montana where I am studying wildlife biology. I got home for winter break and have been able to get out quite a bit lately. My friends and I have treed several lions and we have taken two.

Yesterday my friend and mentor Mel, invited me to go with him and another fellow named Jay who has two young dogs and a tag for our area. At about 6am we headed up into the Yaak area of northwest Montana. At about 2pm Jay found a track so he turned out his two dogs (Top & Lilly) and I also turned out my two (Elvis & Earl). They took off through the woods but they lost the track where the cat had crossed the Yaak River and had then doubled back across again. Mel and Jay walked downstream to gather dogs and look for the track while I was searching the far bank. We eventually lined out the track and put the dogs back on it. It was tough going so Mel put in his two good dogs (Brody & Fancy). The cat had made a third river crossing and the dogs were now on a fairly fresh trail. Since part of our plan was to get Jay’s dogs Top and Lilly some experience we grabbed Earl and Fancy and put them back in the rig.

At this point we had four dogs heading up over the mountain. We drove about 2 miles up a nearby road to try and close some of the distance. We finally got bogged down in very heavy snow and the Garmin Astro collars were saying that the dogs were still about a mile above us and that they were treeing. We headed up on snowshoes but the going was VERY difficult due to deep snow and thick alder brush. It took about 90 minutes to hike to where the dogs were supposed to be.

As we were hiking we saw on the receiver that Jays dog Lilly was running. Since she is young he just thought that she was running a back trail. As we continued to get closer we could still not hear the dogs. At about 500 yards the Astro showed that the dogs were still treeing but since we could not hear anything we became concerned that the system was not working right. As we got close we had to get out our lights as the sun had set and we could no longer see.

We hiked on and soon the screen showed that the dogs should be right in front of us at about 50 yards. Eerily there was absolutely no sound in the woods. We found the tree surrounded by tracks where they had put up the lion. We immediately began calling out for the dogs. Jay saw some blood by the tree and we assumed that a dog must have cut a pad. Jay started shining his light down the hill and saw two eyes shining about 30 yards away. He started that direction and seconds later we heard him start yelling. Mel and I ran down to where he was and saw something no houndsman ever wants to see.

There in the snow surrounded by blood were two dead dogs. I instantly thought that one of them was my good dog Elvis. My heart was pounding as I got closer. When we got to them we had to check the collar since part of his head was gone. We ultimately discovered that it was Mel’s dog Brody and Jays dog Top. I could not find Elvis anywhere. I could only imagine that the same thing had happened to him and that he was lying in the brush nearby.

As we tried to get over the shock of it all we slowly pieced together what had happened. It became very apparent that a pack of wolves had attacked our hounds as they were baying at the tree. Brody and Top had been killed instantly at the tree and then drug about 30 yards away where the wolves had started to feed on them. The eyes Jay had seen were those of a wolf eating our dogs. Lilly had obviously run away when the attack occurred but there was still no sign of Elvis.

We were all sick about what had just happened but we needed to get down the mountain and try and find Lilly and hopefully Elvis. It was as tough going down as it had been climbing up, and when I broke a strap on my snowshoe I didn’t think things could get any worse. I have hunted these mountains many times but I have never experienced fear like I did on that hike. The thought of the wolves behind us, the dogs that had just been killed and of the two that we could not find were about all I could handle. With broken snowshoes I had to “posthole” most of the way back to the truck.

We finally got back to the trucks and our missing dogs were not there. Before we got out of that deep snow we had to winch ourselves out about five times. It was getting very late and I was both mentally and physically exhausted by the time we got back to the paved road. We were due for some good luck and right then the collars for Lilly and Elvis lit up the screen and appeared to be about 1 mile ahead of us on the main road.

As we got close I could see Lilly by the guardrail so I jumped out to grab her and began yelling for Elvis. I immediately heard barking down below us by the river. I jumped the railing and began calling to him. With my flashlight I could see Elvis ,and he appeared to be lying in the ice on the bank. As I got closer I realized that he was actually in the water and was too exhausted to pull himself up on to the edge of the ice. I was able to reach out to him and pull him to safety. I don’t know how long he had been there but he was shaking so bad I did not know if he would survive. We warmed him up in the truck as we headed for home which was still an hour away on icy roads.

As I write this, Elvis is still so stiff and sore that he can hardly walk but since he is not yet 3 years old he is plenty strong and will be back on the trail soon. I have no idea how he was able to escape the wolf attack and near freezing to death in a river. All I know is that I am very fortunate to have gotten him back. I have not talked to Jay yet this morning but he had put so much time and energy into training Top I can only imagine how crushed he is. I talked to Mel and he is very frustrated, not just because he lost a great dog but also because he called a local game biologist who told him that our dogs were killed not 500 yards from a known denning site. According to the biologist they don’t publicize information like that because people might disrupt the wolves.

R.I.P. Brody and Top, I hope the hunting is good up there in heaven.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Sports
KEYWORDS: animalmanagement; dogs; hunting; wolves
God must have a special place for dogs, and these guys are up there making the Saints smile.
1 posted on 01/28/2010 6:17:06 PM PST by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks

If you are going to hunt in wolf country you might want to take a few extra pitbulls, shar-peis, or presa canarios to guard your hounds while they do their job sniffing out cats or other predators.


2 posted on 01/28/2010 6:29:37 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Tom Hawks

If there are no dogs in Heaven, I’ll be asking for an upgrade....


3 posted on 01/28/2010 6:30:54 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: Tom Hawks

but also because he called a local game biologist who told him that our dogs were killed not 500 yards from a known denning site. According to the biologist they don’t publicize information like that because people might disrupt the wolves.

Oh effing please! As the story relates, it ain’t the dogs that were the issue. “I have hunted these mountains many times but I have never experienced fear like I did on that hike”.

It was the humans who realized the fix they were in. Wolves are a part of wilderness, and wilderness is what our forefathers spent a great deal of time and effort ridding this country of. Morons intent on bringing wilderness back, are just that, morons,

Game bioligists who know stuff aren’t helping. I wonder what the hunters actions would have been had they been briefed on den locations prior to the hunt.


4 posted on 01/28/2010 6:39:19 PM PST by wita
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To: Jack Hydrazine

my sympathies...but wild animals are wild animals....they are not evil, they’re just doing what they do...so sorry


5 posted on 01/28/2010 6:54:15 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but interested and informed)
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To: wita
I wonder what the hunters actions would have been had they been briefed on den locations prior to the hunt.

Knowing this guy, the den would have been the target of the hunt. The they would probably just shot, shoveled, and shut up.

"Nothing to see here Warden Bob, just a couple of loose dirt mounds is all..... Hey Bob? Can I buy you a beer at the corner "Hunters Bar & Grill?""
6 posted on 01/28/2010 6:56:45 PM PST by Tom Hawks
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To: wita

The Left has been bringing back in to and empowering the predators of America - both the animal kind and the human kind.

I guess we should we should be briefed on the known denning sites of jihadis (called ‘mosques’) so we the hunted (that’s us law-abiding Americans) will know how to quietly conduct ourselves and not bother them.

The jihadis are just a part of the urban landscape. They’ve been coming into this country since 1895 so they have every right to be here. Right?


7 posted on 01/28/2010 7:04:15 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: terycarl

Your right. And jihadis are just wild human animals. They aren’t evil. They are just doing what comes naturally to them. Protect the predator not the prey. That’s the spirit!


8 posted on 01/28/2010 7:05:48 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Tom Hawks

Sorry, but I don’t really don’t think it’s any sadder that these dogs got killed, than that the lions you’ve “taken” got killed. Leave the wild animals alone and quit forcing your domesticated dogs to run around in the wilderness pissing off wild animals.


9 posted on 01/28/2010 7:20:45 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Jack Hydrazine

They’ve been coming into this country since 1895 so they have every right to be here. Right?

Right, at least the ones that came in 1895, don’t think we need to be concerned about them, however, the more recent variety are another story, RIGHT?


10 posted on 01/28/2010 7:21:19 PM PST by wita
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To: terycarl
wild animals are wild animals....they are not evil, they’re just doing what they do...so sorry

No! Sorry, but YOU ARE WRONG! Especially in this case, because they are an endangered species that was re-introduced to an area that the humans are told they cannot defend themselves from the animal. Get educated you friggin animal hugger!

The wolves are not afraid of dog or man, thank you PETA and the government. You do not re-introduce dangerous killing machines the farmers and hunters eliminated for safety back into the area in the name of animal rights.

When the liberals did that in the "80"s they also told us humans that we cannot f^#@k with the wolf or we will be arrested. NOPE! this is not a normal situation of wild animals doing what they do, this has been created to hurt both the farmer and the hunter by animal loving whackos from the left, who want us off the land and into cities. get fu*@ing educated you fri*^#ing moron!

This is not a normal situation of wild animals doing what wild animals do. These friggin wolves are even killing people because they are not afraid of us. You know why? It is because we cannot hunt them so they do not see us as a threat, they see us as food! Like I said get educated you moron!
11 posted on 01/28/2010 7:21:58 PM PST by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks
This is not a normal situation of wild animals doing what wild animals do.

It's also not a normal situation of domesticated dogs doing what domesticated dogs do. Those dogs were following orders from you and your friends, and those orders directly resulted in their deaths.

12 posted on 01/28/2010 7:25:55 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Jack Hydrazine
A pack of Irish Wolfhounds would be better:


13 posted on 01/28/2010 7:29:23 PM PST by Jed Eckert
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To: Tom Hawks

I have an old Army buddy that runs dogs for mountain lions, etc. in Idaho. He tells me that the wolves are getting bad there but Idaho is getting ready to release another 100 wolf permits. He told me that about a month ago and I’m sure he will appreciate this story. My old hunting grounds in Northern Wisconsin are getting full of them too. I was back for a wedding last year and I had a guy tell me he won’t go out for a walk with his dog without his .45 for fear of wolves — they were brave enough that a few of them “surrounded” one of his neighbors. thank you for the post. most interesting.


14 posted on 01/28/2010 7:31:14 PM PST by model B (attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference -- Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Tom Hawks

No! Sorry, but YOU ARE WRONG!

sorry, but I am right, evil does not occur in nature,never, never blame the animal...pit bulls are not evil, their owners are, wolves are not evil, they eat things that are slower and weaker than they are...get rid of the idiots who allowed these predators to be reintroduced into the area.....on the other hand, in some places there are far too many deer, wild hogs, etc, and to remove all predators can often result in a situation far worse than a few dead sheep or cattle


15 posted on 01/28/2010 7:33:27 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but interested and informed)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; ...

First off they were not my dogs, second off the wolves were re-introduced to set up a situation the the left could call for an end to hunting because of the danger the wolves would be having in hunters. Farmers, ranchers and normal citizens all over the the country are paying the price for the left bringing the hated wolf back so idiots like you can blame the hunter!


16 posted on 01/28/2010 7:46:07 PM PST by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks; GovernmentShrinker

Imagine what would have happened if it was a family outing with little kids.

Shoot, shovel and shut up.


17 posted on 01/28/2010 7:56:16 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Jed Eckert

They were originally bred to hunt wolves (hence the name). They weren’t just bred to keep a wolf at bay but to actually go in for the kill. Yep, I’d raise up a pack of these wolfhounds with regular ‘coon hounds to protect them.

What’s really amazing about them is that even though they are fearless and can kill wolves they have a good enough personality to allow them around children.

Thanks for pointing this breed!

Great Wiki here on them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Wolfhound


18 posted on 01/28/2010 7:57:04 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: terycarl

That was a convoluted way to get around the fact that these wolves need to be shot and killed. I could give a rats ass about their feelings or their so called rights to be mean and wild. They are a menace, thank you LIBERALS. We need to shoot them when they are a problem and make them very afraid to even think about going near a human, or anything that belongs to a human. Just like deer, pheasant, ducks and any other animal we eat or rule over, or else they will eat and rule over us. Sorry I, my family, my livestock, nor my hunting dogs will be thier lunch!

If the authorities had told the truth about the DEN then the hunters would have taken precaution. Now, thanks the incompetence of those in charge of protecting HUMANS and their Hunting DOGS, every one of these wolves need to be hunted down and killed PERIOD!

You want to hug. love them and the wildness about them, well my friend you can love their dead friggin carcasses! Humans rule, NOT animals, and hopefully soon not even liberals will rule anymore!


19 posted on 01/28/2010 8:04:16 PM PST by Tom Hawks
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To: Tom Hawks

Why bring me into this? What on earth did I say?


20 posted on 01/28/2010 8:20:51 PM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: terycarl
sorry, but I am right, evil does not occur in nature,never, never blame the animal...

You're wrong. These wolves kill for fun, from boredom. Dead, and uneaten elk, deer, cattle, and sheep, that are being killed for fun by non-indigenous wolves are littering the Rockies from the Canadian border to New Mexico.

Wolves this size never lived in the lower 48. It like "reintroducing" African lions to the Rockies.

I'd like to see them all relocated to Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Hollywood, etc., where the food supply is more deserving of their company.

21 posted on 01/28/2010 8:22:10 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: GovernmentShrinker; Tom Hawks; kanawa

>Leave the wild animals alone and quit forcing your domesticated dogs to run around in the wilderness pissing off wild animals.<

Mountain lions are attacking people in parts of the country. Hunting is a tradition in this country and the use of dogs is necessary when hunting predators.

Perhaps GS would prefer we cruel humans not “enslave” dogs at all, keeping them as pets?


22 posted on 01/28/2010 8:39:44 PM PST by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

“Those dogs were following orders from you and your friends, and those orders directly resulted in their deaths.”

Factually incorrect, as the hounds were sent to tree a cougar. The wolves attacked because they were not afraid of either the hounds or the men.

As Dr. J. Pederhans said, for most of man’s history he was a slow moving source of protein for predators.

There are numerous references in the older literature about the salutory influence of gunpowder on the predatory beasts of America.

With the merging of communism and environmentalism, “the right and duty of the citizen to be at all times armed” was infringed.

Beasts fattened themselves. True for beasts on four legs and two.


23 posted on 01/28/2010 8:58:41 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru
Very interesting analogy of our present situation of being up against the wall of tyranny from the left. You say it was As Dr. J. Pederhans, who said that,
"For most of man’s history he was a slow moving source of protein for predators."
Do you have a reference for that quote? It would sure be good for future debates on the subject of self defense.
24 posted on 01/28/2010 9:33:18 PM PST by OneVike
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To: terycarl
on the other hand, in some places there are far too many deer, wild hogs, etc, and to remove all predators can often result in a situation far worse than a few dead sheep or cattle

That is a situation which is often artificially controlled as well, and has been 'managed' to create the 'need' for predators.

When 'Fifi' and 'Fu-fu start disapearing off of leashes and children go missing, maybe people will realize there is a reason the predators were hunted back away from humans.

I have no doubt denial will play a huge role in delaying this as long as possible, and also delay the inevitable remediation which will be necessary if humans are going to live outside the urban cesspools.

In the meantime, city folks don't give a diddley-damn whether a rancher loses his means of making a living. They all know meat comes from the store.

25 posted on 01/28/2010 9:45:21 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: GladesGuru
The wolves attacked because they were not afraid of either the hounds or the men.

---or the cougar!. Think about that.

26 posted on 01/28/2010 9:49:05 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Tom Hawks
Get educated you friggin animal hugger!

Very well said! And, the comment is well deserved.

Since their reintroduction into Montana, they have killed or maimed scores of domestic animals, not to mention hundred of livestock. As I tell my brother, who lives in Montana, shoot 'em and let 'em lay. Ranchers and sportsman alike, will thank him!

27 posted on 01/28/2010 10:14:14 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error!)
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To: Tom Hawks
Get educated you friggin animal hugger!

Very well said! And, the comment is well deserved.

Since their reintroduction into Montana, they have killed or maimed scores of domestic animals, not to mention hundred of livestock. As I tell my brother, who lives in Montana, shoot 'em and let 'em lay. Ranchers and sportsman alike, will thank him!

28 posted on 01/28/2010 10:15:20 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error!)
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To: Tom Hawks; GovernmentShrinker; terycarl; george76

It’s good to see that a more reasonable wildlife biologist is on the way. Find some plans for a good incinerator with a spark arrestor on top of the flue—a very useful piece of equipment for a shop or shed.

So this is a thread about the feral German shepherds or giant coyotes (little humor and practicality there) that have been ripping the soft parts out of cattle. They won’t be around in packs of more than one again for long, so animal worshippers can go back to getting their thrills from Disney movies.

It would take an unprecedentedly big, socialist government to monitor activities on the ranches of the West, and we’re looking at a big default in the near future. Too many corporate-government-supported liberal city folks have wandered to us from around the coasts. Due to the next wave of foreclosures, more of them will be leaving us to return to where they belong. Those who fund lobbies from the cities will also be lacking revenues for their efforts against agriculture. They couldn’t stand our weather anyway. Good riddance.


29 posted on 01/29/2010 12:28:43 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Noumenon

“Your neighborhood” ping.


30 posted on 01/29/2010 2:15:12 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Tom Hawks

read later...


31 posted on 01/29/2010 3:00:47 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Smokin' Joe

I’m guessing the cougar was the only reason the other two dogs got away. Either that or the pack was focused on the two dogs they had already killed (or were in the process of killing). I’m really surprised this isn’t a story of these men losing ALL of their dogs (or even their own lives)!

My theory regarding these wolves not being afraid of humans in the least is because the original ones to be released were partially domesticated (raised from pups by humans). I can’t explain HOW it happens, but information like that IS passed down from generation to generation among animals (it’s the same way other animals learn to be afraid of hunters). Perhaps we have always been seen as “weak” by the wolves, however I don’t think the environmentalists in charge of the reintroduction program have helped at all. If anything the ones who worked with the original wolves were probably thought of as “kind” or “trusting” (maybe “too trusting”), and “kindness” is definitely a weakness when it comes to wildlife. All JMHO and a theory... :)

I posted on the other thread what a tragedy this is, and I really feel for the men who lost their beloved dogs. I expect we’ll be hearing more cases like this and others as the population of the wolves swells to the breaking point...


32 posted on 01/29/2010 3:42:36 AM PST by LibertyRocks (Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Tom Hawks; george76; NRA2BFree; SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping...


33 posted on 01/29/2010 11:08:02 AM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Seadog Bytes

Thanks SB. Coyotes do this as well, they’ll eat fido right off the chain.


34 posted on 01/29/2010 6:52:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Tom Hawks

That was a convoluted way to get around the fact that these wolves need to be shot and killed.

wrong again kemosabe..I never even implicated that these animals should not be exterminated. I did, however, say that you don’t blame a wild animal for being a wild animal....evil as such, does not exist in nature. You might not like what an animal does, but it’s just that your opinion and that of the animal differ.. Believe me, I’m not an animal hugger (except for my kitty) I hunt, fish, and eat meat but I am also realistic. Blame the nitwits that reintroduced the wolves into your area, but be careful in doing so because some species have gotten out of control because they have no natural predators. Animals have no rights whatsoever, but we, as humans, certainly have responsibilities toward animals. If you don’t like the wolves, ask those who reintroduced them, find out what their reasons were, and come to an intelligent, human consensus as to whether or not it was a wise decision. You run your mouth with name calling nonsense when you have no idea of what you are talking about. I make a simple statement....animals are never evil, they can be dangerous, out of place, hurt, sick, wounded, mean, protective, and whatever else, but they are never evil, they just do what a wild animal does in a particular circumstance.....if you don’t like it, shoot the animal and shut up


35 posted on 01/29/2010 9:19:49 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but interested and informed)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/art/ui/seattletimeslogo_inside.gif

Originally published January 22, 2010 at 9:40 PM | Page modified January 22, 2010 at 10:10 PM

Coyote trapped in Interbay neighborhood had 'lost its fear' of people

By Susan Gilmore and Mike Lindblom  Seattle Times staff reporters

The coyote killed Friday on BNSF Railway property near the Interbay Golf Course in Seattle was just one of dozens if not hundreds of coyotes that roam Seattle's neighborhoods, according to state wildlife officials...

continues... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010868531_coyote23m.html



36 posted on 01/30/2010 2:15:16 AM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Tom Hawks

Actually, you guys who live among the wolves should simply capture them and release them in the backyards of liberals responsible for this.

All states except Hawaii were once wolf habitat so why can’t they be re-introduced to say, Berkeley? Washington DC?


37 posted on 02/13/2010 4:46:58 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: terycarl

Stay in your city and leave “country” living to those of us who actually live there.You obviously have never seen what a pack of wolves does to a HEALTHY herd of deer, or your neighbors horses (in the barn),or your grandmothers poodle in her front yard.


38 posted on 02/13/2010 8:17:17 AM PST by pawnshop dave
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To: Bon mots

“All states except Hawaii were once wolf habitat so why can’t they be re-introduced to say, Berkeley? Washington DC?”

Works for me.


39 posted on 02/13/2010 8:26:05 AM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: pawnshop dave

Stay in your city and leave “country” living to those of us who actually live there.You obviously have never seen what a pack of wolves does to a HEALTHY herd of deer, or your neighbors horses (in the barn),or your grandmothers poodle in her front yard.

I was born and raised in northern Wisconsin, plenty of critters there. If grandma’s poodle got eaten by wolves, it is because liberal nincompoop tree huggers and animal “rights” activists decided to introduce animals into an area where they may not have been suitable......Never, however, blame the animal. If the animal becomes a nuisance, shoot it, grandma needs a good 20 gauge shotgun. The animal, however, was not evil....maybe hungry, maybe mean, maybe trying to “get along” with the poodle9 you know how fickle poodles are) and things went terribly wrong....just saying


40 posted on 02/13/2010 5:43:06 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: terycarl

Sorry for getting snotty.I too am in northern WI.I do agree with you for the most part.But when the dnr is more worried about appeasing tree huggers than in common sense I get mad.
WHY did they feel it necessary to re-introduce timber rattle snakes to northern WI???? There are so many truly PRODUCTIVE things they could do.The hunters and sportsmen are the reason the damned wolves are here, our license fees pay for them. I spend an aversge of $100+ a year on hunting and fishing license’s.Ask the next tree hugger you run across how much THEY give annually????


41 posted on 02/15/2010 8:08:09 AM PST by pawnshop dave
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To: pawnshop dave

There are so many truly PRODUCTIVE things they could do

that having being said, sometimes predatory animals are reintroduced into an area where their prey (deer) are out of control. In my never to be humble opinion open hunting seasons would accomplish the same result and give people a lot of venison to eat...maybe the simple method works better that folling around with nature!!

I was born in Langlade county....White lake to be exact


42 posted on 02/15/2010 12:57:26 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: terycarl

Makes you wonder where they get their degree’s.
I was born in Kenosha (shhhhhh),now resident of marinette county.


43 posted on 02/16/2010 6:48:41 AM PST by pawnshop dave
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To: Tom Hawks

It is unfortunate that is has happened it is a serious lost. Dogs are dogs wolves are wolves. Yes dogs are descents of wolves however years and years of breed have made domesticated dogs the ways they are however wolves are still the same they have not changed. They are still going to have the same instinctual pack drives Honestly as a Professional Dog Trainer I understand your lost but also understanding dog Language you also need to understand the wolf side of it to. Because their behavior is not going to change. Your dogs crossed over into their territory. I believe that the 500 yards is not a good distant. I believe that the Biologists should give people/hunter that are hunting a range of 5 Square miles which = 3,200 acres from a wolf den this still does not give a full guarantee of you not crossing paths with the pack, being that a larger Wolf pack territory can run within 301 Square Miles being that 301 square miles equals to 192,640 Acres. Territories can over lap each other which can become deadly. As you saw with your dogs. Wolves are extremely territorial animals as are some dogs are still imprinted with this instinctual behavior. If you learn to understand wolf behavior language and communication you will understand ever dog in the world including a hound dog.

Again I am so so sorry for you lost however if you are going to hunt in Wolf territory you should stay within closer range of your hunting dogs. As a Hunter myself with hunting dogs I can understand your dilemma however we keep our dogs within 300 yards of us this way if something attacks our dogs we kill the attacker/(S).


44 posted on 09/19/2011 8:31:45 PM PDT by HolwingWolf (TheHowlingWolf As a dog trainer I understand so I am Sorry for your lost)
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