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The Real Srebrenica Massacre
4International ^ | January 11, 2010 | John Peter Maher, Ph.D.

Posted on 01/28/2010 7:37:52 PM PST by Ravnagora

WARNING: THIS BLOG CONTAINS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC ATROCITY PHOTOS.

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When did commentators first start using the formulation, the catch phrase, “The Srebrenica Massacre [of x-thousands of Muslim men and boys]”?

When did the “Srebrenica Massacre” story break?

No reports from 10 July 1995 and the immediately ensuing days and weeks ever refer to “the massacre of 8000 (or 7000 etc) Muslim men and boys”.

FROM Iran, no mention of a massacre having taken place:

“Iranian foreign minister [Velayati], in a message to the UN secretary-general, has asked for immediate action to prevent a massacre of the defenceless people of Srebrenica by the Serb rebels. SOURCE: Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1, Tehran, in Persian 0930 gmt 11 Jul 95; Source: Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1, Tehran, in Persian 0930 gmt 11 Jul 95; SECTION: Part 4 Middle East; THE MIDDLE EAST; IRAN; ME/2353/MED. Message to UN secretary-general. Text of report by Iranian TV on 11th July.

From the front, no mention of a massacre having taken place:

Reports from the front in mid-July 1995, e.g. Chris Hedges in the New York Times of 18 July 1995, reported that thousands of armed Muslim fighters “slipped” through Serb lines under fire and arriving safe in Tuzla, held by Muslim forces (and a US garrison).

The lag time between as yet unbaptized “Srebrenica Massacre” on 10-11 July 1995 and the first press reports is over a month. David Rohde, who spearheaded the story that became known as “the Srebrenica Massacre”, did not himself use any such phrase or make such a claim. In his story, in the Guardian of 19 August 19 1995 we find “…I saw what appeared to be a decomposing human leg protruding from freshly turned dirt…” He repeated Albright’s fabrication about a massacre in a soccer stadium in a nearby town, [where] human faeces, blood, and other evidence indicated large numbers of people were confined, and perhaps shot.” Also: “United Nations official estimate that 4,000 to 6,000 Muslim men are still missing in the wake of the Srebrenica and Zepa assaults.”

Zbigniew Brzezinski:

The news would have still been hot when Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote an Op-Ed piece in “The New Republic” of 7 August 1995, under the headline: AFTER SREBRENICA. Zbig Brzezinski says only that something awful “might” happen.

Nowhere does Brzezinski mention a “Srebrenica massacre”. That catch phrase does not appear until weeks after the alleged event. It will not be found in the press until the American-sponsored Croatian “Storm” (Oluja) on Serb Krajina in August-September 1995.

(In)Consistency: Madeleine Korbel Albright, whose “Albright Group” now has the franchise for the cell phone business in Kosovo, brought the earliest allegation of a Serb massacre of Muslims on August 11, 1995. The chief United States delegate to the United Nations told a closed session of the Security Council that 2,000 to 2,700 missing Bosnians from the Srebrenica enclave might have been shot by the Bosnian Serbs.– She did not use the formulation “Srebrenica massacre.”

So, the numbers in Albright’s document and subsequent tellings and re-tellings are not consistent. What this implies we know from the Book of Daniel, chapter 13, where Susanna is denounced by corrupt Elders. Since their testimonies were inconsistent, as Daniel showed by “debriefing” the corrupt judges separately, the judges were condemned for bearing false witness.

LEXIS-NEXIS searches now permit us to track down press reports on whatever story. Readers can see for themselves what results turn up in searches dated between 10 July 1995 and the beginning of October 1995, using parameters such as

(Srebrenica AND massacre) (Srebrenica AND missing) Srebrenica AND 7000 OR 8000) (7000-8000 men and boys) …

(Koranically, once boys attain the age of fifteen, they are “warriors” for Islam.) Remember boy bombers in Israel.

Did the Srebrenica Massacre” happen? Draw your own conclusions.

Remember the the “Jenin Massacre” in the world press’ satanization of Israel

In late 2009 and early 2010 Oliver Kamm in The Times (London) indulges in every logical fallacy in the book. What he repeats he pretends is true. Kamm never wrote a line about a massacre at Srebrenica until years after the purported event.

J. P. Maher

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: bosnia; dhimmwit; historicalrevision; serbs; srebrenica
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1 posted on 01/28/2010 7:37:52 PM PST by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Thought so, that seems like some time ago though Ravnagora, I can recall the story being that there was some sort of “safe haven” city that the Serbs (no mention was made of either irregulars or the Yugo National Army) attacked and there was supposed to have been a massacre.

Do you happen to know if the Balkans pinglist is still active?

I thought Kronos used to have one?


2 posted on 01/28/2010 7:43:06 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Ravnagora

Thought so, that seems like some time ago though Ravnagora, I can recall the story being that there was some sort of “safe haven” city that the Serbs (no mention was made of either irregulars or the Yugo National Army) attacked and there was supposed to have been a massacre.

Do you happen to know if the Balkans pinglist is still active?

I thought Kronos used to have one?


3 posted on 01/28/2010 7:43:23 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

4 posted on 01/28/2010 7:43:34 PM PST by Ravnagora
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To: padre35

Hi padre35, yes the Balkan Ping List is still active. I just posted it a few seconds ago.

Srebrenica was one of the “safe havens” in Bosnia. The “Myth” surrounding the “Massacre” has been successfully repudiated by Professor Peter Maher over the course of many years now, using facts, logic, and rationality. The “Myth” continues to be perpetrated, as we speak by those who absolutely REFUSE to accept the fact that this “massacre” allegedly perpetrated by the Serbs against the Bosnian Muslims was a manufactured story.

Maher is not a journalist. However, he practices better journalistic ethics than 90 percent of them out there today.

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5 posted on 01/28/2010 7:50:22 PM PST by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

May Clinton burn in Hell.....and our country ask forgiveness.........for this travesty.


6 posted on 01/28/2010 7:53:30 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Ravnagora
Kind of hard to repudiate something that the perps themselves acknowledge.

Well, hard if you're sane, anyway.

7 posted on 01/28/2010 7:56:50 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

I’m no expert in this AT ALL, just a passerby, but what “perps” acknowledge it? Were they spared prosecution for acknowledging it? Was that a cost of doing business? Again, I have no idea if it took place, or if it’s outrageous to suggest it didn’t.


8 posted on 01/28/2010 8:12:24 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: dangus
Those who perpetrated the slaughter acknowledge they did it.
The Bosnian Serb Government acknowledges it happened.
The Serbian Government acknowledges it happened.

A small band of David Irving wannabes are still trying to rally the ignorant and the stupid to their banner of denial, however.

9 posted on 01/28/2010 8:25:34 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Ravnagora

So apparently Albright;s company is running the cell phone business in Kosovo?

I’d heard there was also a oil pipeline deal in the works that had been agreed to?

South Stream 2?


11 posted on 01/28/2010 8:33:17 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Hoplite
Those who perpetrated the slaughter acknowledge they did it. The Bosnian Serb Government acknowledges it happened. The Serbian Government acknowledges it happened.

You should be more specific and mention some names associated with those government entities you are alluding to, Hoplite.

12 posted on 01/28/2010 8:45:42 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: getoffmylawn; Hoplite

I don’t know by what logic the slaughter of 2 million Armenians or 30 million Ukranians isn’t a genocide, but the killing of 8000 men, and forced relocation of 25,000 women and children is. Is forced relocation genocide? Does that mean the Pakistani-Indian partition is genocide? How about Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback?” It appears that the term was first applied to the situation by a Bosnian-Serb before the fact, using the term to refer to plans for a forced relocation.

I did read on Wikipedia that in 2003, the Bosnian-Serbian Republic denied the genocide; and the defendants convicted of genocide had pled innocent. If Wikipedia is unreliable on this, at least it makes the point that there is at least significant disagreement. A later 2005 “apology” seems entirely economically motivated.

It seems one must get into conspiracy theories to deny that 6-8,000 Muslims in Srebrenica were killed and buried in mass graves. I suppose any ground for debate as to the scale of the atrocity lies in questioning what portion of these were killed in cold blood, and what portion were killed in battle. It is legitimate in war to kill retreating combatants; the Islamo-fascist insistence on attacking in civilian clothing and from highly populated areas makes complaints about the age range of the dead a little iffy. But again, it seems the larger ground for debate is whether killing the male inhabitants of one city constitutes “genocide.”

And again, I emphasize that I am highly “educable” as to any refutations of any position I’ve taken, and I’m deliberately being skeptical of “majority report “ claims not because I consider any skepticism to be reasonable, but only because of my own acknowledged ignorance and a willingness to hear people out.


13 posted on 01/28/2010 8:49:06 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: dangus
Armenians? Slaughtered?

When did that happen?

I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm just saying that there are two sides to any story, and reasonable men can disagree. I'm open to being informed upon the subject. Same thing with the Ukrainians. And Cambodians. And Jews. And just about any other historical event, genocide related or not, you can choose to think of.

<yawn>

14 posted on 01/28/2010 9:01:29 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: getoffmylawn; Hoplite

What seems ridiculous about the article is the notion that because the news media didn’t immediately report the incident it must not have taken place... and that is at the core of the article. Reading the timeline, the obvious reason it wasn’t reported is because, well, the mainstream media wasn’t exactly embedded with the Serbian or Muslim armies. That scattered reports of atrocities and fighting didn’t get characterized immediately as a genocide or massacre is hardly surprising.


15 posted on 01/28/2010 9:09:13 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: Hoplite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide (2 million dead in Turkey)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor (8 million dead in a Ukranian “famine,” despite a bumper crop.)


16 posted on 01/28/2010 9:15:23 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: dangus
If only Wikipedia had a page devoted to what transpired in Srebrenica.

Alas.

I guess this will have to do.

Enjoy.

17 posted on 01/28/2010 9:33:16 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
I guess this will have to do.

And, this is your primary source for your arguement:

Hans Blom, born in Leiden, Netherlands, in 1943. Ph.D. from Leiden University. Professor of Dutch History after the Middle Ages at the University of Amsterdam.

Good source, Hoplite,...keep going.

18 posted on 01/28/2010 11:38:29 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Hoplite

Actually, they do. And it’s quite extensive.


19 posted on 01/29/2010 5:44:44 AM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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