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Russians Interested In Tea Party Movement
January 31. 2010 | Ronbo

Posted on 01/31/2010 5:30:55 AM PST by Ronbo1948

Interesting development - I've received several Emails from Russians who are inspired by the ongoing Tea Party movement in the USA, and are apparently attempting to adopt the model of "Leaderless Resistance" to overthrow the Putin Regime.

Why me? It would appear they have become fans of my blog "The Freedom Fighter's Journal" at

http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com

There's a bit of a language problem here, since these folks don't read or write English very well and I don't speak Russian at all, so the exchange of ideas are a little difficult. I'm in the process of finding translation software.

My take is that these people are on the up and up, and looking for advice on how to change things politically for the better in Russia. It appears they have been surfing mostly American resistance websites for ideas.

Email:

"On the 31-st of January Moscow tea party for the protection of the free trade will be held. If it is possible send me E-mail with actual materials about political program of the modern radical republicans who you belong to."

http://lj.rossia.org/users/grushevsky/168751.html#cutid1


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; resistance; russians; underground
Any suggestions on Tea Party links?
1 posted on 01/31/2010 5:30:55 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948

The point we have to emphasize to Russians who want to do this is that the reason we have no “leaders” is because we individually are our own leaders who just happen to share common goals. We don’t wait for marching orders from someone else before we go do something.


2 posted on 01/31/2010 5:35:07 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Ronbo1948

My browser says you have Malware on your site.

Might want to clean up a little.

take a look at

www.translate.ru/text.asp

pretty good translations.. or translate.google.com


3 posted on 01/31/2010 5:39:47 AM PST by flash2368
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To: Ronbo1948

Talk to P.J. Gladnick, been there, done that:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/602802/posts


4 posted on 01/31/2010 5:44:19 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts)
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To: Ronbo1948

Good to know. God bless the Russian “tea party” movement!


5 posted on 01/31/2010 5:47:39 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: Ronbo1948
You know there was a translation problem with "tea party" if a hundred thousand Russians show up at Red Square carrying their samovars.


6 posted on 01/31/2010 5:55:23 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Special SOTU tagline: YOU LIE!)
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To: Ronbo1948
Be careful. Russia has a history of fascination with Western ideas and culture. Seldom do they translate those ideas the way we think of them - there is always the “Russian Wrinkle” which transforms it into something else - like capitalism, the Russian stock market, and large companies.

None of those things are managed or run as they would be here.

Also keep in mind when translating that Russians often use abbreviations as words. ‘NASA’ is usually pronounced as a single word. That is one of the few English counter parts - Russian has whole dictionaries devoted to abbreviations. When you find a word that is not in the standard dictionary chances are it will be found in either a slang dictionary or in a abbreviation dictionary on the subject at hand.

Also that your Russians have trouble with English is not a good sign - English is mandatory in Russian schools. You are dealing with the bottom of the linguistic English speaking Russian barrel.

Plus when translating don't get fancy - take the literal translation of the word and you will get much closer to what the Russian speaker means: how he sees the word in his historic culture.

Russians see Russia as tribal Indians see the US. It is their mother, not their home: you defend home and hearth, they defend their mother, their soul.

Russians are very clever at deceiving westerners - there was a very large grain sale to Russia some decades ago. They convinced US negotiators to sell them the grain at fire sale prices because their grain harvests were terrible and people were going without bread. The US sold them the grain at that price, thus establishing a new low on the US commodities market, devastating the US farmer - but hey it was for the greater good right?

Sure, and the Russians turned around and sold the grain at world market prices, making a killing - still no bread in Russia.

7 posted on 01/31/2010 6:01:31 AM PST by PIF
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To: PIF

Its nice to hope but I would be very carefull in dealing with Russians or people claiming to be Russian.


8 posted on 01/31/2010 6:09:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

“Its nice to hope but I would be very carefull in dealing with Russians or people claiming to be Russian.”

That is what I said. Minusany thing about hope - just trying to be helpful.


9 posted on 01/31/2010 6:13:55 AM PST by PIF
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To: cripplecreek
Its nice to hope but I would be very careful in dealing with Russians or people claiming to be Russian.

Agreed. This is a logical and perfect way to learn what the real, grassroots political trends are in the US, especially those movements that are powerful but not reported well in the media.

I wouldn't share our methods until they are ultimately successful and then we can share a watered down, useful but not highly detailed version with anyone in the world. It is safe that way.

10 posted on 01/31/2010 6:14:28 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: PIF

I’ve known quite a few Russians both online and off and agree with you about the english speaking abilities.

Honestly a group calling themselves russians for the protection of free trade sounds like our big tent RINOs looking for a way in.


11 posted on 01/31/2010 6:17:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Ronbo1948
Be careful. Russia has a history of fascination with Western ideas and culture. Seldom do they translate those ideas the way we think of them - there is always the “Russian Wrinkle” which transforms it into something else - like capitalism, the Russian stock market, and large companies.

None of those things are managed or run as they would be here.

Also keep in mind when translating that Russians often use abbreviations as words. ‘NASA’ is usually pronounced as a single word. That is one of the few English counter parts - Russian has whole dictionaries devoted to abbreviations. When you find a word that is not in the standard dictionary chances are it will be found in either a slang dictionary or in a abbreviation dictionary on the subject at hand.

Also that your Russians have trouble with English is not a good sign - English is mandatory in Russian schools. You are dealing with the bottom of the linguistic English speaking Russian barrel.

Plus when translating don't get fancy - take the literal translation of the word and you will get much closer to what the Russian speaker means: how he sees the word in his historic culture.

Russians see Russia as tribal Indians see the US. It is their mother, not their home: you defend home and hearth, they defend their mother, their soul.

Russians are very clever at deceiving westerners - there was a very large grain sale to Russia some decades ago. They convinced US negotiators to sell them the grain at fire sale prices because their grain harvests were terrible and people were going without bread. The US sold them the grain at that price, thus establishing a new low on the US commodities market, devastating the US farmer - but hey it was for the greater good right?

Sure, and the Russians turned around and sold the grain at world market prices, making a killing - still no bread in Russia.

12 posted on 01/31/2010 6:27:55 AM PST by PIF
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To: Ronbo1948

It would be better for Russians to look to a Tea Party philosophy instead of the movement itself. That philosophy is hard to condemn, because it says that “the government is not obeying its own rules”, and calls for the government to follow its own rules.

It is paradoxical, in much the same way if the police are called to put down a protest demanding better pay and equipment for the police.

This can be very bizarre. For example, in China right now, the central government is fairly popular with the people, at least compared to the unpopularity of the regional and local governments. So many of their protests are people begging the central government to enforce its laws against corrupt regional and local governments that are *breaking* the national law.

Yet, China being China, the central government is putting down such protests, in effect undermining its own law.

So what would a Tea Party movement in Russia want? Well, Putin is popular, but if he keeps vying for power, it will mess up Russia’s political system, and open the door to much crummier leaders. So a Russian Tea Party should call for Putin spending a lot of time cultivating his eventual replacement.

A Russian Tea Party movement should also aim to split the United Russia political party, that controls about 64% of their parliament, the Duma. If for no other reason than better legislation through political competition.

They should also encourage more media freedom from the Kremlin, as well as population decentralization from Moscow and the other big cities.


13 posted on 01/31/2010 6:46:37 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: flash2368

Malware at http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com ?

This website is run by blogger. How would I be able to do a clean up? I have Norton 360 on my computer, and according to what they tell me, my computer hasn’t been infected.

Anyhow, thanks for the advice and links.


14 posted on 01/31/2010 6:49:00 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: pnh102

Yes, I think that is the problem with these Russians, they seem to looking for a top-down political solution like the Communist Party except they want a “Capitalist Party.”


15 posted on 01/31/2010 6:51:58 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that some of your "Russian" friends can find their way around Lagos Nigeria quite well.

I hate to be so cynical, just be very careful.

16 posted on 01/31/2010 6:52:39 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

LOL! Thanks for the link - interesting and funny story.


17 posted on 01/31/2010 6:52:54 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

One Russian was very surprised when I told him one of the best salesmen for capitalism was Ayn Rand who grew up and went to college in St.Petersburg, Russia.


18 posted on 01/31/2010 6:55:11 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: KarlInOhio

NOW THAT’s AN IDEA! I’ll suggest it! LOL!


19 posted on 01/31/2010 6:56:00 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: PIF

Thanks for the good advice! It may turn out that I have the wrong idea about these guys and gals. A scam? Yes, it is possible. I’ll sleep with one eye open. Like Reagan said, “Trust, but verify.”


20 posted on 01/31/2010 6:59:40 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: muir_redwoods

If they ask to put that $10 million in my bank account if only I give them my banking information, I’m outta here!


21 posted on 01/31/2010 7:12:22 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: Ronbo1948
I have seen inquiries about the Tea Party Movement from people in other countries--some people whose English is excellent and who obviously know a lot about the U.S.A. but are a bit confused about what it means. Some think it's a political party, i.e. the Tea Party.

I have explained the Boston Tea Party and how the present movement is a reexpression of it. We Americans sometimes overlook the subtlety--and the powerful symbolism--of some of our historic events. An explanation seems to help--and to inspire.

To export the Boston Tea Party is a good idea!

It's a good gift to people all over the world.

We must explain it--its meaning--and let 'em have it so they can let 'em have it.

22 posted on 01/31/2010 7:25:00 AM PST by Savage Beast (Politics is corrupt.. Politicians are corrupt.)
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To: Ronbo1948

You said you want to help ovethrow Putin? You gotta be kidding. Maybe, your site is getting traffic from Russia and so the Russian intelligence guys want to give you a Polonium cake like they did to the guy in London?


23 posted on 01/31/2010 7:32:45 AM PST by JimWayne
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To: Ronbo1948

“I’ll sleep with one eye open.”

An your gun under your pillow.


24 posted on 01/31/2010 3:31:57 PM PST by PIF
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To: JimWayne

I feel safe....

I don’t think the Russian socialists, like ours, understand the threat posed to them by “Leaderless Resistance” groups like the Tea Party.

After all, these people are reactionary elites very much like the old French aristocracy of the late 18th century who were surprised as hell when they looked out the window on July 14, 1789 to see thousands of peasants coming at them with pitchforks.


25 posted on 02/01/2010 7:36:22 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: PIF

No...On the nightstand :-)


26 posted on 02/01/2010 7:37:44 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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