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Will Obama Revive the Draft?
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Posted on 02/08/2010 12:34:34 PM PST by morgc

From an historical perspective, war and a draft has been the most common solution that Democrats have used to recover from economic Depressions. .....

The lessons of history are very clear; and it is highly unlikely that Obama's socialist mentors have not pounded this lesson deep into Obama's intellect. As the recession deepens into a depression, the solution that has worked in the past is to engage in a war and begin a draft. It worked for Roosevelt, and Obama has attempted to model himself on Roosevelt's mold. The opportunities for war are many, Sudan, Yeman, Iran, even N. Vietnam. Soldiers in the current Army are understandable disgusted with the dithering, the lack of military experience, and the disrespect for the Military that our current President has. Many will not stay voluntarily in the military, nor should they. Obama will need a draft to continue to engage in wars, and a draft would also reduce the number of unemployed,(many permanently).

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: depression; draft; history; obama
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I think this is a very important read--those who ignore the lessons of history are bound to repeat the mistakes of history.
1 posted on 02/08/2010 12:34:34 PM PST by morgc
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To: morgc

Talk of a draft was just a Dem means to bash Bush.


2 posted on 02/08/2010 12:35:29 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: morgc

Wouldn’t reviving the draft risk his popularity with the left? Does that answer the question?


3 posted on 02/08/2010 12:36:13 PM PST by NEMDF
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To: morgc

Might have to after a DADT repeal.


4 posted on 02/08/2010 12:36:20 PM PST by Sybeck1 (POTUS : Punk of the United States)
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To: morgc

I wonder how many corpse men Zero will get to enlist?


5 posted on 02/08/2010 12:36:38 PM PST by jessduntno (If Bawney Fwank talks in his sleep, is it considered wetting the bed?)
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To: morgc
I hope not ... my son is a fresh butter bar with a 11 bravo (Infantryman) MOS.
And I've seen a draft Military in Vietnam....Moral in the gutter ...
6 posted on 02/08/2010 12:39:17 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: NEMDF

If he institutes a draft, it will be for his home police force, his version of the Peace Corps, and (oh yeah) some for the military. That way he can get around Leftwing opposition.


7 posted on 02/08/2010 12:39:26 PM PST by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: morgc

I dont think the hippies,libs ..etc will be happy with a draft maybe it was unpopular because Nixon was in power.My question is will they protest the draft under :Obama?


8 posted on 02/08/2010 12:40:06 PM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: morgc

Yeah. The same way he revived his grandmother.


9 posted on 02/08/2010 12:41:47 PM PST by MestaMachine (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2426869/posts SUPPORT RINO FREE AMERICA)
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To: morgc

Sure. Why not. He is going to draft all those poor gays that have been so rudely not allowed to join. So, he will draft them into the service. What a guy. The sorry puke never served. Wouldn’t. He was an antiwar coward. But he will draft his gay buddies.


10 posted on 02/08/2010 12:41:58 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Stay armed. Buy bullets. Buy guns. Protect yourself - the government isn't.)
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To: morgc
I'm all for a draft ... for men and women ... two years military or Peace Corps / Americorps, etc.
Civilian service must spend at least six months in a third world country.
11 posted on 02/08/2010 12:42:23 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: morgc

Why institute the draft? Crap, I wish they would raise the age limit to 50 yo.


12 posted on 02/08/2010 12:43:07 PM PST by cranked
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To: morgc
From an historical perspective, war and a draft has been the most common solution that Democrats have used to recover from economic Depressions.

There were Depressions in 1807, 1815-1821, 1839-1843, 1873-1896, 1920-1921, and 1929-1933. (The US was not in recession from 1933 to 1937, and the 1937 recession was not steep enough to be called a depression).

Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a pattern of Democrat presidents starting wars during economic Depressions.
13 posted on 02/08/2010 12:43:24 PM PST by Question Liberal Authority ("My...health care plan is a Bolshevik plot... which will destroy America." - Barack Obama)
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To: morgc

I think a case has been made that international conflict is not what healed the economies of Roosevelt and Johnson.

It only helped their PR positions.


14 posted on 02/08/2010 12:43:58 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Freepmail me to get on the Bourbon ping list.)
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To: oh8eleven

Obama gives a speech to the “Corpse Men” and insults them to their face:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxORB49KtsE


15 posted on 02/08/2010 12:44:24 PM PST by RC51
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To: morgc

My children won’t serve under this creep. I will personally move them to Canada if this ever happens.


16 posted on 02/08/2010 12:44:35 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: morgc

State slavery.


17 posted on 02/08/2010 12:44:47 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: NEMDF

The left thinks a draft is a great idea apparently.


18 posted on 02/08/2010 12:45:19 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: morgc
Will Obama Revive the Draft?

Please, God, let him try.

19 posted on 02/08/2010 12:45:26 PM PST by nina0113
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To: NEMDF

He is the Peace Man of Nobel renown.


20 posted on 02/08/2010 12:46:26 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: morgc; dirtboy; NEMDF; Sybeck1; jessduntno

FDR drafted men because he HAD to. Fighting Hitler and Tojo was not an option. I don’t believe for a moment that the Korean War made Truman popular or brought prosperity. It ain’t called “the Forgotten War” for nothing.

I don’t know enough about the draft during the early sixties but JFK never imagined Vietnam would grow to become what it became.

Does the prez have the authority to call people up all by himself? I think Congress has to be involved in this somewhere.

Does anyone here think Obama has the political capital left to march us into war, now? Let alone creating his private army? I think any such moves would be the much-wished-for pretext for the dems to call for his impeachment before November.


21 posted on 02/08/2010 12:47:52 PM PST by sinanju
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To: MestaMachine
BAM!

Direct hit.

22 posted on 02/08/2010 12:48:08 PM PST by Semper Mark (Life is a series of sucker punches. Protect yourself at all times.)
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To: morgc

Sounds like another arrow from the Cloward-Piven quiver — choke the system with so much undigestible riff-raff that it cannot function.


23 posted on 02/08/2010 12:49:06 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem)
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To: pnh102

My son won’t get his commission until 2013. Zero will be history by then.


24 posted on 02/08/2010 12:49:21 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: morgc
N. Vietnam

WTF?

25 posted on 02/08/2010 12:49:35 PM PST by matt1234 (The shine is off the magic negro.)
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To: morgc

It worked fine with Kennedy in 61’. I’m all for it, only because it leaves a large body of veterans who can be recalled if needed to serve or train. But then again, it might cause other problems, the kids of today may have to give up their computer gaming and texing time.


26 posted on 02/08/2010 12:50:07 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: GeronL
From what I've seen, the Left sees a number of benefits to the Draft:

1) It will decrease the effectiveness of our military force. They think that's good.
2) It will make it very hard for any politician to actually use the military. That's a plus, right?
3) Military personnel can be used as a giant Peace Corps to go around fixing the world and making people love us.
4) With a little fiddling with laws, the armed forces can be used at home to round up and exterminate the political opposition.

27 posted on 02/08/2010 12:51:27 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: cranked

“Why institute the draft? Crap, I wish they would raise the age limit to 50 yo”.

...I’m with you! Two years ago, when I was 49, I checked into the age requirements and am out of luck.


28 posted on 02/08/2010 12:53:35 PM PST by albie
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To: RC51
I'm a former Marine ...
... you know, United States Marine "Corpse"

29 posted on 02/08/2010 12:54:14 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Blueflag
My son won’t get his commission until 2013. Zero will be history by then.

For your son's sake I hope and pray for that.

30 posted on 02/08/2010 12:56:17 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: oh8eleven

Fine...let them get drafted and dig ditches (in his version of a “National Civilian Defense Force”, or whatever)

My son (a volunteer, of course) flies an F-15E Strike Eagle.
Been over Fallujah, and Afghanistan, going back soon to Afghanistan).

The ground crews who take care of his plane (I have met some of them) are the salt of the earth.

I don’t want some f’n draftee taking care of his plane. It’s pretty easy to frag a plane).


31 posted on 02/08/2010 12:56:54 PM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: pnh102

My oldest tried to join and was turned down. Now they won’t get either of them.


32 posted on 02/08/2010 12:59:35 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: nina0113

I want to see his SS number first.


33 posted on 02/08/2010 1:00:11 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: ClearCase_guy

don’t forget it won’t be so “racist” and full of poor people if there is a draft.

The left thinks that is a wonderful thing.

Its still state slavery.


34 posted on 02/08/2010 1:00:24 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: GeronL
The left thinks a draft is a great idea apparently.

Of course they like the idea of a draft (but not for them). They are for subjection in any form for the public to do their bidding. They pretend to not understand freedom and liberty. They are Traitors to the Nation.

35 posted on 02/08/2010 1:05:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

For some years now, the same few Demwits in Congress have introduced at least one bill each year to revive the draft. Thanks morgc.


36 posted on 02/08/2010 1:16:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

They know exactly what people’s political views are: the ones willing to defend the Constitution will be shipped overseas; the clueless and leftists ones will be kept at home to do Dear Leader’s bidding.


37 posted on 02/08/2010 1:17:43 PM PST by MilicaBee
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To: morgc

If he jams through gays openly in the military, he will need a draft.


38 posted on 02/08/2010 1:30:28 PM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: morgc

With his new gay friendly policy, he’ll either need a draft to get troopees ( new term for soldier)or San Fran will have enlist in masse.


39 posted on 02/08/2010 1:32:19 PM PST by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: morgc
Will Obama Revive the Draft?

Is this a reference to him taking his ear plugs out?

40 posted on 02/08/2010 1:38:34 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid! ... And they call themselves Progressives.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
From what I've seen, the Left sees a number of benefits to the Draft:

You left out several:

You can drop the pay so low that no one would volunteer. This also applies to conditions like quality of base housing, etc. Saves a lot of money from the defense budget.

You can arrange all sorts of convenient draft exemptions - like economic hardship (i.e. race and other 'diversity' issues) so that a disproportionate share of 'rich kids' are drafted. After all, that would just compensate for past discrimination the other way.

You can establish that Peace Corps, etc. are equivalent to military service, demeaning those who truly are willing to lay their life on the line and arranging for a 'blurred' force of domestic storm troopers. I expect to see "loyalty" tests and "social responsibility" tests for the domestic force - along with much better pay and perks.

Overall, I think the odds of getting this done are less than 50:50, because I think the Dims are going to lose control of one or both houses of Congress this November. But if they don't - if they escape without significant loss of power despite all the naked socialism of the last year - then I think a draft is pretty much a sure thing.
41 posted on 02/08/2010 1:48:21 PM PST by Phlyer
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To: Robe
There was nothing wrong with the Vietnam era Army.

It was those two rat$%#@$ Johnson and McNamara who tied the hands of the military and never gave them a clear mission.

42 posted on 02/08/2010 1:58:25 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: morgc

I know that I am in a minority amongst my FR bretheren but I maintain that a draft is beneficial to Americans in that it creates an environment in which the various social classes meet and work amongst each other. And I think that is a good thing.

The OldPossum was in a military outfit in which he, as a young high school graduate, worked with and bunked with college graduates. It gave him the inspiration to go to college after military service. That worked out and led to a nice professional career.

Another facet to be considered is that a draft (aside from its coersive aspects) forces every young man to serve his country in the military, and I maintain that that is good, both for the individuals and for the nation as a whole. As an aside, it would lead to more military veterans in our political population; I understand that fewer and fewer in Congress are military veterans.

Go ahead, flame. The OldPossum can take it.


43 posted on 02/08/2010 2:11:44 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Robe

Draft = I don’t want to be here = Mission Compromised

TT


44 posted on 02/08/2010 2:35:31 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Parse every sentence uttered by a politician)
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To: ClearCase_guy

5. political indoctrination. They will set aside “Don’t ask Don’t tell.” Then when enlistments crash, they’ll insitutute a draft. Anybody unlucky enough to get snared into Obama’s uniformed services will be forced to put up with all manner of immoral behavior.


45 posted on 02/08/2010 3:09:07 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: OldPossum

The OldPossum was in a military outfit in which he, as a young high school graduate, worked with and bunked with college graduates. It gave him the inspiration to go to college after military service. That worked out and led to a nice professional career. .................................. You aren’t really in a minority, I was one of those E-1 College Grads, even though I did everything I could to stay out of it, got married, became a teacher, and I thought I was in the clear. Not! Served 2 yrs as an enlisted man with mostly draftees in my company. NEVER A PROBLEM. Do your job and count the days left to get out was the attitude. The problems were weeded out in basic training. I lived in a basic training unit at that time. When Nam got hot they started to accept category 5 draftees, these turned out to be the few bad ones that gave the draft the bad reputation. i.e. bringing in a soldier with a prior drug history. Geeez, bring him in, send him to Nam, and he finds himself in doper heaven. Who woulda thunk that woulda been a potential problem? You have to remember, 2/3rds of WW II vets were draftees, was there a problem then?


46 posted on 02/08/2010 3:25:27 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: morgc

"There was one?"

47 posted on 02/08/2010 3:30:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Thanks for the comments. I suppose I’m not totally alone in my views.

You noted that about two-thirds of World War II soldiers/sailors were draftees. I can believe that. My father was drafted and served, as did three of five uncles. Two others enlisted. All had positive experiences, with no serious wounds even. Couple Purple Hearts, though.


48 posted on 02/08/2010 5:10:08 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Sigurdrifta
I don’t want some f’n draftee taking care of his plane.
While I appreciate your comments, and especially your son's service to this great country, I'll remind you that WWII was won by many a draftee.
49 posted on 02/08/2010 5:22:20 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

And Vietnam?


50 posted on 02/09/2010 5:39:02 AM PST by Sigurdrifta
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