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We May Soon Be Able to Clone Neanderthals. But Should We?
Discover Magazine ^ | February 10, 2010 | Andrew Moseman

Posted on 02/11/2010 12:18:13 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Last year DISCOVER asked the question, “Did We Mate With Neanderthals, or Did We Murder Them?” Now, Zach Zorich at Archaeology magazine is asking another big question about our hominid siblings: Should we bring them back?

Thanks to a slew of recent advances, the possibility is getting closer. 80beats reported a year ago that researchers had published the rough draft of the Neanderthal genome. However, that’s likely to contain many errors because it’s so difficult to reconstruct ancient DNA. Within hours of death, cells begin to break down in a process called apoptosis. The dying cells release enzymes that chop up DNA into tiny pieces. In a human cell, this means that the entire three-billion-base-pair genome is reduced to fragments about 50 base-pairs long [Archaeology].

Even if scientists succeed in figuring out the entire Neanderthal genome, they’d be faced with another problem before they could even consider the possibility of cloning one of these ancient hominids: We don’t have any living Neanderthal cells to work with. Thus, researchers will have to figure out how to put DNA into chromosomes, and how to get those chromosomes into the nucleus of a cell. What about altering the DNA inside a living human cell, and tweaking our genetic code to match the Neanderthal’s? This kind of genetic engineering can already be done, but very few changes can be made at one time. To clone a Neanderthal, thousands or possibly millions of changes would have to be made to a human cell’s DNA [Archaeology].

Even if scientists manage to put Neanderthal DNA in a cell nucleus, their problems aren’t over. The next step in creating a baby clone is to move the cell nucleus into the egg of a related species in a technique called nuclear transfer, and then implanting the altered egg in a female who can bear it to term. But in this process, which has been extensively tested on animals, cells often get sick or die, causing fetuses to die in the womb or clones to die young. That’s why the vast majority of scientists oppose using this method on people. Even if nuclear transfer cloning could be perfected in humans or Neanderthals, it would likely require a horrifying period of trial and error [Archaeology].

But Archaeology suggests that many of these obstacles will eventually be overcome, and proposes another cloning option: making Neanderthal stem cells. Last year researchers managed to turn mouse skin cells back into a pluripotent state, where they can act like stem cells, and used those to create a cloned mouse. Cloning a Neanderthal is a lot different than cloning a mouse, but if the process worked, a cloned Neanderthal would grow up with their genes expressing they way they were meant to.

That’s the “could we.” But what about the “should we?” More work has been done on this than you might think. In 1997, Stuart Newman, a biology professor at New York Medical School attempted to patent the genome of a chimpanzee-human as a means of preventing anyone from creating such a creature [Archaeology]. But he lost his case because the patent office said it would violate the 13th amendment prohibitions against slavery. And since Neanderthals would be even more human, it stands to reason that they’d receive at least some human rights protections.

Rightfully so. But as the bioethicist Bernard Rollin points out in the Archaeology piece, there’s more to worry about than the law. While Neanderthals are our close relatives on the evolutionary tree, you’d know one if you saw one. Tulane anthropologist Trenton Holliday argues that they could talk and act like us, therefore eventually they’d fit in. But that seems like wishful thinking. With no culture, no peers, and an unknown capacity to cope with the modern world mentally or physically, a Neanderthal would be adrift—caught between a zoo animal and a human being. The main point in cloning one would be for scientists to study it, but as law professor Lori Andrews says, a Neanderthal could be granted enough legal protection to make doing extensive research on it illegal, not just unethical.

That’s not to say there would be no benefits to science. But some things are best left in the past.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: cloning; dna; godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; science; zachzorich
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I’d think the Neanderthals would be HIGHLY INSULTED if they were cloned today....
They invented FIRE, and ART as well as PHILOSOPHY.........
They’d look at OTHUGO and say......
YOU BROUGHT US BACK FOR THIS????????????
W at LEAST have a CERTAIN LEVEL OF CIVILIZATION!!!!!!!!!
HOW CAN YOU CALL THIS DUDE CIVILIZED??????????????
ROFL


41 posted on 02/11/2010 8:48:13 AM PST by PelosiisaLOSER1
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To: James C. Bennett

Nope. The DNA studies of the 1990s did no such thing. This fiction sure comes up on FR an awful lot though, usually the “citation” is from an unsourced anonymous blurb in an English language “news” source in India.


42 posted on 02/11/2010 6:57:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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The Neandertal Enigma
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Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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43 posted on 02/11/2010 7:01:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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44 posted on 02/11/2010 7:11:03 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should never ever clone humans of any kind. That’s an abomination.


45 posted on 02/11/2010 10:07:48 PM PST by DesScorp
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Oh, those weren’t my words. I thought you might be interested in refuting them, here.


46 posted on 02/12/2010 2:20:49 AM PST by James C. Bennett
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We May Soon Be Able to Clone Neanderthals. But Should We?

So easy a cave man could do it.

47 posted on 02/12/2010 7:51:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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“We May Soon Be Able to Clone Neanderthals. But Should We?”

Can we eat them? If not then I say we clone the large mammals instead. Mammoth and Giant sloth steaks for the starvin’ africans.


48 posted on 02/12/2010 7:53:09 AM PST by Grunthor (McCain; for when you really need to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!)
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To: DesScorp

You might could make an exception to that in a situation such as is described in Genesis 19:32 in which the survival of the human race on the planet appears at stake; but no way in hell should anybody be cloning neanderthals to see if it could be done.


49 posted on 02/12/2010 11:33:42 AM PST by wendy1946
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I say no. We should not clone human life and certainly not to make it an object of study. Even if done in the interests of science, in substance the subject(s) would feel like they were being exploited. We shouldn't do that to human beings, even if they are not us, just close cousins. We've gotten beyond this, I hope.


50 posted on 02/12/2010 12:46:10 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: James C. Bennett

Yeah, I recognized the words, and I thank you again for the ping.


51 posted on 02/12/2010 7:59:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: xzins

;’)


52 posted on 02/12/2010 8:01:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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You’re welcome, SunkenCiv!

I always enjoy the articles you post.


53 posted on 02/12/2010 8:01:23 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: James C. Bennett

Thanks!


54 posted on 02/12/2010 8:30:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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