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Do Convicted Felons Deserve a Second Chance? Obama Thinks So.
Liberty and Pride ^ | January 27, 2010 | CSD

Posted on 02/11/2010 5:39:08 PM PST by csd

Should convicted felons be given a second chance? Barack Obama thinks so, and he thinks the tax payers should have to foot the bill. He made his view on this issue more than evident during a town hall meeting in Elyria, Ohio on January 22nd. Here is a excerpt from this Ohio town hall meeting, where a 29 year old felon who has never had a job in his life asks Obama if he will help felons get a job:

Jerome the felon asks Obama: “I’m 29 years old, and I’ve never had a job in my life. I went to jail when I was younger. It’s like hard to get a job as a felon. Is this — any programs that hire people with felonies like something that — because it’s sad, it’s like — 29 years old, I’m 29.”

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: felons; obama; taxpayers
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1 posted on 02/11/2010 5:39:08 PM PST by csd
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To: csd

Yeah......Oprah has been pushing this, too. Seems like I remember one of her vapid shows about this......like, they are worse off in the pokey ‘n’ stuff. *rolls eyes*


2 posted on 02/11/2010 5:41:31 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: csd

Why? Is Obama a convicted criminal?


3 posted on 02/11/2010 5:41:37 PM PST by donhunt (America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.)
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To: csd

Socialism at its lowest. Punish those who are responsible, reward the losers.

Any moral hazard in that formula? Nah.

10-1 the person was black.


4 posted on 02/11/2010 5:41:39 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: donhunt

He should be


5 posted on 02/11/2010 5:43:13 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: csd

I’m glad I got a second chance and no it didn’t cost the taxpayers a thing. All it took was a decent economy.


6 posted on 02/11/2010 5:43:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

Indeed,we all deserve a second chance, but it is up to the individual to provide a second chance for themselves not the taxpayers. In fact I got a second chance myself, and all it took was a little hard work on my part


7 posted on 02/11/2010 5:45:43 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: csd

Why shouldn’t people get a second chance.
My Dad was a felon. He got a second chance and lived a good and productive life.


8 posted on 02/11/2010 5:47:23 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: csd

Felons to become the next protected class? The new AFCA, Americans with Felony Convictions Act of 2010?


9 posted on 02/11/2010 5:47:58 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: svcw

I am a felon too. The point of the post is that people deserve a second chance, but it is not up to the taxpayers to provide it for them


10 posted on 02/11/2010 5:48:55 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: umgud

The dims are always alert for new voters.


11 posted on 02/11/2010 5:50:33 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: csd

I walked out of jail and inside of 3 days I found a job with a temp service. Within 90 days I was hired full time and inside of a year and a half I was foreman of the paint department.

I didn’t expect special treatment and didn’t recieve any. What I did was work 12 or more hours per day, 7 days a week for nearly 4 months before I finally took a day off. I saw hundreds of other temps come and go in that time. LOL


12 posted on 02/11/2010 5:50:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: csd; cripplecreek

Depends on what the first chance was. The war on drugs has done an incredible amount of damage to our country.

Should someone convicted of embezzlement be trusted with money again? probably not but thats not a govt decision in most cases.

Voting and such should be restored if the person has served their time.

If a person isn’t safe to be in society and trusted as such they should be in jail.


13 posted on 02/11/2010 5:51:18 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

God bless you cripplecreek. I am glad to know that there are other ex-cons out their that take responsibility for themselves. I got a job (not a great job, but a job) the day after I got out of prison


14 posted on 02/11/2010 5:53:14 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: driftdiver

Mine was felony drunk driving and despite the fact that I haven’t drank for years, I’ll probably never be a bus driver. I’m OK with that but I am irritated that an unknown illegal alien can work in an airport but I’m too much of a threat.


15 posted on 02/11/2010 5:54:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: driftdiver

I personally was a drug offender (6.5 years sober now). But you make an excellent point, I think that especially goes for sex offenders.


16 posted on 02/11/2010 5:54:51 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: csd
Do Convicted Felons Deserve a Second Chance? Obama Thinks So.

I think that's cool. What do most of us have to lose? The only person who needs to worry is their next victim.
What are the chances?

The real question then becomes, what about a third chance? a fourth...? a twenty-seventh?

Do "progressives" have a limit (so long as they're sure not to be personally exposed)?
Not everyone has Secret Service protection...

17 posted on 02/11/2010 5:56:23 PM PST by Publius6961 (You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do)
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To: cripplecreek

“I’m OK with that but I am irritated that an unknown illegal alien can work in an airport but I’m too much of a threat.”

That irritates me as well, not to mention all the muslims working in the airports.


18 posted on 02/11/2010 5:56:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: csd

I managed to avoid prison but I did several months in jail. I jumped at the first trustee position I could find so I could work my way through 9 months.

I even put it on my job application. Work is work LOL.


19 posted on 02/11/2010 5:56:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: driftdiver

One more thing, the voting thing depends on which state you live in. I was convicted in Virginia and when I got out I couldn’t vote. A year ago i moved to NC, and now I can vote again. You should check with state and local laws, maybe you could figure out a way to vote again.


20 posted on 02/11/2010 5:57:27 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: Publius6961
to all

Obama didn't have a job at 29 so he should be an expert at this !

21 posted on 02/11/2010 5:57:57 PM PST by Reily
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To: csd

51% of the people in federal prison are there because of drugs. The US has the largest % of our population in prison of any modern country.

And yet I could still go out and buy anything I wanted without a problem.


22 posted on 02/11/2010 5:58:33 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

That tax payer money sure is being used effectively isn’t it?


23 posted on 02/11/2010 6:00:09 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: Reily

hahahahahaha


24 posted on 02/11/2010 6:00:37 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: csd

Here in Michigan you can vote if you’re no longer incarcerated, on parole or probation. That’s fine with me but that one is up to the individual state.

Maine and vermont allow voting in prison. That’s nuts in my opinion.


25 posted on 02/11/2010 6:02:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: driftdiver

If someone has served whatever sentence or punishment and been a good and productive citizen after so many months or years, I would have no problem with a second chance. I would draw the line on sex offenders and violent crimes.


26 posted on 02/11/2010 6:03:52 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: csd

Just for the record, I’m not a felon.

People screw up though. Some screwups are larger than others. I was fortunate to be overseas in my drinking days without access to a vehicle.

I see the govt using this to control more Americans. Making things into crimes that did not used to be, and making minor problems into major offenses. BO is trying to tie 2nd amendment rights to making student loan payments. Late on a payment and you lose your right to possess a weapon. Get caught and you’re now a felon.


27 posted on 02/11/2010 6:04:29 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I need a citation there please, link?


28 posted on 02/11/2010 6:05:57 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: oldtimer

I’m not against felons getting a break, but my fear is a whole lot of them will get a break they don’t deserve at our peril. My son in law has a 12 year old felony on his record for something stupid he did as a kid. He’s been a model citizen ever since and is very responsible.


29 posted on 02/11/2010 6:06:01 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: csd
Absolutely. My Dad worked his behind off doing menial whatever he could get who ever would hire him kinda jobs. Eventually he work up to the point he was manager at a really large auto mechanic shop.
Very proud of him.
He screwed up, served his time and turned it around.
I'll reread the article.

The warden at the prison he was at (made forced required) that if you did not have a high school diploma, you did nothing else until you got your GED. When you were not on your work shifts you studied a trade. So in that sense he did get help.

30 posted on 02/11/2010 6:06:02 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: cripplecreek

voting in prison? That’s a little over the top.


31 posted on 02/11/2010 6:06:22 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: wally_bert

“I would draw the line on sex offenders and violent crimes.”

True in most cases. However the libs have screwed that up too. There was a high school kid who mooned someone and suddenly he’s a sex offender.

Get in a fight defending yourself and that qualifies as a violent crime.


32 posted on 02/11/2010 6:06:48 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

The issue as I see it isn’t second chance, with Obama. It’s more a case of preferential treatment for felons over non-felons using tax dollars because it is, on balance, racially redistributive.


33 posted on 02/11/2010 6:07:11 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Michael Barnes

BO is trying to federalize the student loan system. There was an article about him tying payments to 2nd amendment. I’ll see if I can find it.


34 posted on 02/11/2010 6:08:40 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Michael Barnes

Here is the official transcript of the meeting, I think the conversation is about half way down the page.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-during-town-hall-meeting-elyria-ohio


35 posted on 02/11/2010 6:09:04 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: driftdiver

Many thanks!


36 posted on 02/11/2010 6:09:37 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: csd

Appreciate it.


37 posted on 02/11/2010 6:09:59 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: csd

I looked it up yesterday. I knew about Maine but I didn’t realize that Vermont allowed it.


38 posted on 02/11/2010 6:10:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Agreed. The change in the way prison inmates are counted in the census appears to be a race thing as well.


39 posted on 02/11/2010 6:11:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

If he wants a second chance...EARN IT!

Show that you’re responsible. Take an entry level job or worse. Show up every day..on time...ready to work...with a good attitude.

I’ve never been convicted of a felony, and I have done some very very nasty work for just above minimum wage for the money to pay my bills.


40 posted on 02/11/2010 6:12:41 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: driftdiver

Sorry I misunderstood what you where saying about your charges. I had a DUI as well, and it was a real pain to get everything straight.

p.s. Sorry I sent a link to you because I thought you were asking for a citation from me, these forums can get a little confusing at times. I didn’t realize you were talking to someone else. My apologies


41 posted on 02/11/2010 6:13:56 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: driftdiver

These days defending yourself is a far worse crime than assaulting someone. Sad story about the moon-er.


42 posted on 02/11/2010 6:14:22 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: cripplecreek
The change in the way prison inmates are counted in the census appears to be a race thing as well.

Tell me a bit more. I don't know much about this.

43 posted on 02/11/2010 6:15:15 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

LOL I had a feeling you would ask.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2449029/posts


44 posted on 02/11/2010 6:15:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: csd; Michael Barnes

From that link “to take the tens of billions of dollars we pay banks to act as middlemen on student loans and invest that money in students who actually need it. We don’t need the middlemen — cut them out”

I’m not able to find the link related to firearm ownership.


45 posted on 02/11/2010 6:20:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

I thought you were asking for a link from the original post. Sorry


46 posted on 02/11/2010 6:26:04 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: driftdiver

I thought you were asking for a link from the original post. Sorry


47 posted on 02/11/2010 6:26:51 PM PST by csd (CSD)
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To: cripplecreek

Thanks for the link. The info is complicated... I’m not sure how it will be (ab)used from a first read.


48 posted on 02/11/2010 6:30:45 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: csd
it's a step towards letting felons vote

They would love to absentee ballot every cell block

Who do you think they would vote for?

49 posted on 02/11/2010 6:36:03 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: csd

I have to disagree with most of you on this one. Convicted felons who prove themselves ABSOLUTELY deserve a second chance. To think anything less is just to be a pompous ass. People make mistakes. People even make big mistakes. When they pay their dues, you give them a second chance. To do any less is to be arrogant.


50 posted on 02/11/2010 6:36:07 PM PST by politicalmerc (Let's send the Halfrican back to Africa.)
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