Posted on 02/14/2010 7:39:01 PM PST by syc1959
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Did this “bombshell” ever become law? Also, if the definition of Natural Born Citizen were so clear, why would they need to propose something like this?
Right. So I guess I am natural-born, then, because my Dad was naturalized before I was born.
But the whole point was that the parents would have to have NO ALLEGIANCE to another country. Even if a Hispanic candidate’s parents (from Mexico) had become naturalized citizens, they still are dual citizens of USA and Mexico.
My father was a Displaced Person, passportless. But many naturalized citizens remain citizens elsewhere. Even if they swear no other allegiance when receiving American citizenship, Mexico still considers them to be citizens.
This needs serious clarification in today’s world.
The important thing is they are Citizens of the U.S.A.
Read what Vattel had to say about it:
Vattel On Citizens and natives.
Chapter 19: Of our Native Country, and several Things that relate to it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2450158/posts?page=679#679
Who knew that people have two parents!!! What an astounding discovery!!!
LOL
Thank you smrstrauss
also NOT born to foreigners and under foreign law.
Making stuff up again, Syc?
the only one making things up is you and your pals - wiggiefool
“You Can Lead an Obot to Evidence but You Can’t Make Him Think,”
Later, things come to light, which I suspect that people have known all along, but did not report, or else labeled it with ridicule.
I do think the claim of racism plays a part in this. How many people do you think even know the history behind the term NBC as used in the constitution? When I was in high school, I always thought it meant simply born on US soil.
For many Americans, the fact that his mother was American is sufficient - they feel this alone is sufficient qualification, anything else is just a technicality, and it would be unfair if he wasn't qualified to run, because he should have been.
The issue is further clouded by the loosened requirements passed by Congress pertaining to citizenship, wherein 1 citizen parent is sufficient to pass citizenship to their children. People refer to these children born in the USA as natural born citizens, and everyone just assumes the same meaning.
The fact that it has never been adjudicated whether a citizen born on US soil, with only 1 citizen parent, is constitutionally qualified to be President, gives the opportunity for people with an agenda to argue about the definition. To have opposed him based on what would be labeled as a technicality would have been labeled racist without a doubt.
Also, if you look who the largest shareholders of the network news corporations are, I think you'll have some idea why the issue was not reported with any credibility by any of the large media outlets. In fact the media helped muddle the issue by stating he was a citizen, and omitting the term Natural Born in much of their reporting.
I think the Democrats thought that Hillary could not win(polls were showing Obama more likely to beat McCain), and they knew if Obama was their candidate, they could get out the black vote big time, and increase their chances for a win.
Now that he has been sworn in, they can make the case that the American people were aware of citizenship issues (after all, the birth certificate issue as well as the fact that his father was a foreigner, was reported) and made their decision.
The courts do not want to be put into the position of overturning an election, so I don't hold much hope for that to work either.
However, the states control the rules for ballot qualification, and laws to insure that this does not ever happen again need to passed by as many states as possible. JMHO
GiggleyPuff;
Ok, let’s make this as simple for you as possible without trying to lead you by the hand reading braile.
What they are talking about is revoking citizenship of based on both parents being removed or renouncing their
citizenship, by either taking an oath of allegiance to another country, and that their childern shall become like
naturalized citizens. Due to their parents now having foreign inflence and possible conflict of interest in
reationships. Sorry that you can’t see past you nose.
But the fact remains, in ‘Natural Born Citizens’ are those children born to parents, and they used the terms ‘who
are and shall be born’, present and future tense.
Resolved, That the Committee on the Judiciary be instructed to inquire into the expediency of so amending the law
on the subject of naturalization, as to exclude those from the privileges of natural-born citizens who are or
shall be born of parents who have been removed, or shall remove, from the United States, and have taken or shall
take the oath of allegiance to the Government in which they so reside, until such person shall become naturalized
like other foreigners, agreeably to the laws that now do or hereafter may exist on that subject.
Nothing will ever happen: Now that he has been sworn in, they can make the case that the American people were aware of citizenship issues (after all, the birth certificate issue as well as the fact that his father was a foreigner, was reported) and made their decision.
I agree that we need this clarified immediately for the future. I do not think that someone born on USA soil to two illegal aliens should be called natural born, or even a citizen.
glad we agree. Thanks for the note about Sutherland too. Someone else posted that he should be ok in about a week.
giggyPuff;
You back again.
Don’t you have better things to do then put your head up a the southbound end of a northbound bull?
You just don’t get simple english do you? English must be your second language cause stupidity is the only one you understand.
Read in simple english. Children BORN TO Parents lose their ‘privilege’ as a Natural Born Citizen, if for the following reasons;
1. have taken or shall take the oath of allegince to the government in which they so reside,
You still can’t twist away, the fact that two [US citizen] parents are clearly stated.
That natural born citizens, are born of United States citizen parents, plural. Not one US Parent and one foreigner.
actually, Loren fell into the trap.
I have 30+ years in photography and digital imaging. Longer then he’s been alive. So that was easy.
Made it all the more enjoyable sending out the DVD’s, affidavits, and statements.
Plus there is a whole bunch more evidence and facts, that will be used when the time is ripe.
Better get out that prayer rug, time for you to bow to the alter of ‘audcity’
“You Can Lead an Obot to Evidence but You Can’t Make Him Think,”
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