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Posted on 02/15/2010 7:32:03 AM PST by urtax$@work
WASHINGTON WND Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah today publicly called on Newsweek Editor Jon Meacham for a retraction of a statement in the magazine falsely claiming Farah is a proponent of a "conspiracy theory" that Barack Obama was not born in the United States.
"It's just a bald-faced lie and misrepresentation of anything and everything I have written and said about the eligibility issue," Farah said.
Farah is issuing the retraction demand,........
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Could this be the Birth Certificate submitted by Obama's Grandmother?
Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:21:01 AM · 70 of 72
I am beginning to wonder if suing Factcheck.org might be a better idea. Forcing them to prove that FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.
Yes, i have been thinking same. A plan to rightfully discredit the 2nd TIER. I define the 2nd TIER as those in positions (outside of federal govt) who have direct involvement in print media/internet media, ergo; newspapers/ bloggers / who cover for Obo. I am sure other Freepers here can better flesh this out into a mission statement to cover most bases.
An objective would be to force 2nd TIER members 1 by 1 to retract or correct previous inaccurate statements.
I got the idea when i remembered Larry Klayman's -Judicial Watch hound the Clinton Admin. by getting Sworn Testimony by some in his inner circle. I don't know how you "require sworn affidavits " of anyone, but he got the likes of George Step-on-all-of-us to answer questions under oath and posted such on the J.W. web site.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
ID checks are only for the little people
It is indisputable no-one including Obama, or anyone associated with the Obama campaign, or the Obama administration has ever shown a Certificate of Live Birth, what is known as a long form Birth Certificate. This document shows the time, date, and location of the Birth and has the name of the Medical Professional who assisted in the delivery of the baby. Of course there are some persons who were not born in a hospital or with the assistance of a medical professional. In this case however Obama, his representatives and his family have claimed that he was born in a hospital, although they have claimed different hospitals at different times.
The Main Stream Media's reluctance to look into this matter and their insistence on harassing, intimidating, and ridiculing those who feel it is a relevant issue is shameful to the point of being criminal negligence. No one on the outside seems to know the details of Obama’s birth, possibly not even Obama himself. The “conspiracy” here is the willful cover up and legal actions to prevent the release of the relevant documents. Are we to believe that a person who has repeatedly demonstrated that he is a pathological liar would spend nearly $2,000,000.00 to prevent the release of his birth documents is doing so because of some high minded principles? Give me a break!
I sense the eligibility issue is finally getting traction. Nobody wanted to confront The Magic Negrofor fear of being called racist. But after a dismal year in the WH, The Usurper’s lustre is gone.
Can you point me to Maya-Soetoro-Ng’s Hawaiian COLB? Leo Donofrio said there was no such thing.
This was something that had been circulating prior to the election. I thought it was an accepted fact. But at this point it is not clear whether an image of her COLB was/is actually available on the internet.
There are numerous references to her COLB in various places but whether they are legit I do not know. Nor do I really care a great deal because Hawaian COLBs were issued to percons not actually born in Hawaii. I don’t think that this is in dispute.
“”In light of the fact that the state of HI statute 338-17 allowed foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get Hawaiian birth certificates and statute 338-5 allowed birth certificates to be obtained without any corroborating documents from any hospitals, there is no verifiable prima facia evidence of Obama’s birth in Hawaii,” she argues.”
Thank you for researching this subject so thoroughly. Is it also a “Birther Lie” that the short form Certification of Live Birth that was provided by the Obama campaign did not show the hospital where he was born at or the doctor who delivered him? Is it a “Birther Lie” that Obama has spent huge sums of money to prevent the release of his actual long form birth certificate which would have verifiable information on it which would show where he was born and who was present? If those are not “Birther Lies”, please explain to me why this type of detailed documentation which is required by many little leagues for age verification should not be provided to concerned citizens by their president. Thanks.
Very good! I appreciate your efforts to show the kind of slippery tactics that lawyers are currently using to prevent the citizens of the country from being shown the documents that all of us should expect our president be willing to share. Would you like to argue the meaning of the word “is” with me also.
Quoting from the constitution,”No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
I doubt whether the founding fathers imagined that appologists for a presidential candidate would have the audacity to argue that a person would not be required to provide verifiable documentation to prove his eligability. The question that I have for you is... why should the president not provide a copy of his long form birth certificate? Any documentation that would help prove his legitimacy as president could only increase his stature and authority both here and abroad. To not do this if such documents exist is counter-productive.
Your claim that there is no proof that the Obama and his representatives have spent no more than a couple of thousand dollars on this matter is simply laughable and undermines your credibility.
Despite what you might think from our discussion here, I want you to know that I sincerely appreciate you and your associates efforts on behalf of Obama in the matter of his elegibility. I am very confident that the midterm ellections will result in a profound change in the make-up of both the Senate and the House of Representatives. It would be a terrible thing if documentation were to surface before the midterm elections in time for him to be forced from office. The resulting constitutional crisis could very well result in both Obama and his running-mate Biden being removed from office and Nancy Pelosi then becoming our nation’s first woman president.
If you can just draw this thing out long enough for the Republicans to take control of both houses of congress... there is a good chance that a Republican will serve as president for the remainder of Obama’s term.
Oh and if you don’t want to believe that anyone born outside of the state of Hawaii ever received a Hawaian COLB despite legal loopholes a mile wide that allowed this then (wink wink) that is just fine with me also. ;’)
So thank you again and keep up the good work! And from a long time member to a new person who claims to be a graduate of West Point and a veteran... welcome to the forums!
OK, I got you we are speaking in code here aren't we? (wink wink) All those lawyers in the dozens of lawsuits related to this issue are working for free and have no connection to Obama or the Justice Department. I got you! (wink wink)
Hey if anyone else is reading through this thread (doubtful) then EnderWiggins has convinced me that we should all accept a completely unverifiable document that he claims meets the legal requirements for proof of eligibility for the presidency. Like he says they didn't have birth certificates or anything that proved anything about anyone until 1915. So just go about your business there is nothing to read here. I am just doing my part to keep one of the president's men busy and out of trouble. (wink wink). Thanks again EnderWiggins!
NO matter how you twist things around... the truth here is that no verifiable documentation has been provided to the public that proves anything about the details of Obama’s birth. The other fact whether that you cannot reasonably dispute is that teams of lawyers have been working on Obama’s behalf since before the election to prevent the documentation of Obama’s life from being unsealed in dozens of lawsuits.
I have noticed that in your arguments you make misstatements that attempt to confuse the issues such as your accounting of who spent the money for the teams of lawyers who are keeping Obama’s records sealed. It is complete obfuscation on your part and may work well at the sites that you are more accustomed to posting at but is fairly transparent here.
You argue that no one has the right to demand to see Obama’s long form birth certificate. You ask who am I. As far as I am concerned anyone in the world should be able to ask to see Obama’s long form birth certificate. He is in a position to hurt everyone in the world. We all can be harmed by the most powerful man in the world. We all have already been harmed by him. He is an irresponsible person who lies nearly everytime he reads from his teleprompter. His policies are a disaster.
ob·fus·cate (bf-skt, b-fskt)
tr.v. ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates
1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: “A great effort was made . . . to obscure or obfuscate the truth” (Robert Conquest).
2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.
3. The types of nonsense EnderWiggins posts to confuse a simple issue.
Q. Why is Obama still using teams of lawyers to prevent the unsealing of verifiable documentation about the relevant facts of his life?
A. He is hiding something.
Q. What is wrong with the president hiding relevant facts about his life?
A. Other persons or even foreign interests may know what he is hiding and this creates an opportunity for them to unduly influence his decision making process.
Q. Does Fireman15 know persons who have obtained security clearances and could Obama have passed a background check.
A. Yes Fireman15 knows persons who have received security clearances. Every one of them has agreed that Obama would not have even the slightest chance of passing a background check if he refused to provide the documentation that has been requested.
Q. How absurd is this situation to a person of normal intelligent with the slightest amount of common sense?
A. Extremely absurd.
Q. Why does EnderWiggin not find this situation absurd.
Q. Does EnderWiggins have a hidden agenda?
Q. Is EnderWiggins just blindly following his Messiah Obama?
I guess you didn't catch his talk with the space shuttle crew the other day. “My commitment to NASA is unwavering,” Obama said. He emphasized “how proud we are of you ... and how committed we are to continuing human space exploration in the future.” He just canceled NASA’s primary space exploration project. Reality and what comes out of the man's mouth are almost polar opposites every time he speaks. Now admittedly he normally only is reading what is being displayed on his teleprompter, but still that just shows that he has surrounded himself with liars. He uses the same type of muddled language that you do so that when someone catches him in a lie he is able to claim that what people think they heard coming out of his mouth is different than what he actually said.
It’s noteworthy that you chose not to answer his first question.
I certainly appreciate your candor about your personal experience and background. It sounds very exciting compared to my childhood of chasing cows and falling off of horses. I will certainly try to tone down my rhetoric... the same way that I did after I introduced my wife to shooting.
I am very curious... did you graduate from West Point before or after you were given custodial responsibility for nuclear weapons?
My closest friend growing up went into Naval Intelligence and was one of those “professionals” of whom you speak. We have numerous family members who have been career military members in several branches of the service. My wife's ex-husband was a recruiter. Both my wife and I are very active in veterans and military history groups. The general consensus has been... given Obama’s claimed age he most likely would have had a difficult time even joining the military let alone getting a security clearance given his history of drug use and radical associations. But I will call my most knowledgeable friends and family members and ask again what they think.
I will tell you that I have been interviewed several times myself for other persons background checks. In every case the interviewers were very interested in the persons associations, possible drug use and their character.
“Its noteworthy that you chose not to answer his first question.”
Which question are you referring to?
“...exactly what do you envision the founding fathers would have accepted as proof of eligibility?”
If there was actual questions about a persons eligibility I the founding fathers would have used the best available information that was available at that time. I am sorry but anyone who objects to producing a document that would clear up a situation like this shows a complete lack of common sense. What has been released has no verifiable information on it; it is a farce. If I were Obama’s biggest supporter... I would be embarrassed to object to producing a verifiable document that we have been told repeatedly exists.
You are a little confused however about who does background checks for military security clearances. The FBI does do background checks on individuals for Federal, State and Local agencies. The Department of Defense performs it's own background checks on military personnel. I called my friend who was in Naval Intelligence; he has insisted that a person with Obama’s questionable associations, admitted drug use and other information included in his autobiographies would not have passed a DOD background check at the time he served in the 1980s. That is for what it's worth since you have already stated you would not accept any person's assessment on this.
Personally I do not have as strong a feelings on this as you might assume. I have very little faith in our judicial system. I do not believe that Obama will be declared ineligible to be president until he is either impeached by a Republican dominated House of Representatives or his own friends turn on him. Neither is very likely. I do however support those who continue to try and unseal the documentation of Obama’s life.
Your comments about the FBI issuing most Security Clearances for military personnel is just wrong and really destroys your credibility here. Anyone reading this can easily verify this for themselves also. Of course if others were actually reading this thread you would be shot out of the water on this one. With very few exceptions the Defense Security Service (DSS) gathers the background information. Once the information has been verified, and the investigations completed, DSS presents the information to the specific military service's adjudicator authority (each military service has their own), who determine whether or not to grant the security clearance, using standards set by that particular military service.
From the late 70s through the 80s, anyone who admitted to being a pot smoker was not welcome in most branches of the service. Obama has admitted in public and in his autobiographies that he used much harder drugs; it is very unlikely that he would have been welcomed into any branch of the service at that time. I am not as familiar with more recent policy but I am doubtful that things have eased up to the point where a person confessing to illegal drug use would be welcomed into any branch of the service without at least a great deal of additional scrutiny. Given the associations that Obama has admitted to in public and in his autobiography no branch of the service would have even bothered going to the trouble and expense of trying to get him a security clearance during this time period.
“The fact that he is even willing to offer an opinion demonstrates that he has no idea what he is talking about.” I have known the persons who have given these opinions for a very long time, and I know for certain that they do know what they are talking about. Many former and current military members are very talkative and willing to share their experiences and opinions when asked. This does not demonstrate that they don't know what they are talking about.
I hate to say it, but you have used nearly every Alinsky tactic in the book. You have thrown out many half truths to confuse the issues. You have subtly added misleading qualifiers that give the impression that you are claiming something which actually you are not. You ridicule and cast dispersions any anyone who expresses knowledge that contradicts your point of view without offering any verifiable information to back up your claims. Your protests are transparent... you are obviously trying to defend your questionable claims by going on the attack. Despite your being a very new member in this forum I have given you the benefit of the doubt because you have claimed to be a veteran and an Army officer. You are long on Obama talking points but very short on common sense. You also seem to have very low expectations for the ability of people here to verify your questionable information. Freepers are known for being able to sift through the BS so I doubt whether you will last all that long here.
EnderWiggins my wife was born in August of 1956. You were born on December 29, 1956. That makes her several months older than you.
She had to get a waiver to be entered into kindergarten because she had just turned 5 years old. She was the youngest student in every class through her entire academic career. She was the youngest graduate from her high school in the class of 1974. She had to get a waiver signed by a doctor and a surgeon to take the tests to get into nursing school because one of the age requirement at that time were that a person had to be 18 before they would allow her to take the tests to get into nursing school.
In order for you to graduate in the class of 1974 you would either have had to have been only 4 years when you entered Kindergarten or you would have had to graduate a year earlier than your classmates. In my previous posts I congratulated you for your achievement because very very few persons graduate from West Point at 21 most of them are 22 or older. Instead of accepting my compliment you stated that you were just average and that most of your classmates were 21 when they graduated. It is possible for people to graduate from West Point at just 21. It certainly is not the norm as you would surely know if you had actually attended.
“West Point rules are that anybody can matriculate as long as they will be older than 20 and younger than 27 on graduation day.” I am not sure where you dug that up. In reality each candidate must:
be 17 but not yet 23 years of age by July 1 of the year admitted.
I am not a professional Obama PR person as you most likely are, so I am going to get out and enjoy the beautiful day rather than continue refuting the rest of the lies and micharacterizations in your post.
EnderWiggins you posted, “You have been misled. This corresponds to one of the periods of most highly acknowledged drug use both in and outside the military. The simple truth of the matter is that they tacitly recognized the fact that the services would be unable to fill their billets were this rule actually followed. It has been winked at for more than 40 years.”
The reason why the military began refusing to recruit persons who were drug users is because there was a problem in the military which was determined to be a security threat. Random drug tests became the norm for anyone given a position of responsibility. My wife's ex-husband was a recruiter; he was never instructed to give a wink to drug users and let them in. The military was desperately trying to root out drug users and not let more in. I am not sure how it is possible that you were not aware of this effort. It is very puzzling, but then anyone who does not believe that Obama’s refusal to release his long form birth certificate and other relevant documentation of his life is puzzling to me.
I am sure you actually believe that.
I, on the other had was actually there and assure you... it is not true.
In this post I would like to address the following claim, “The DSS has been subcontracting many if not most of these investigations to other organizations since 1974, when they first picked up the responsibility (but not the manpower) for performing them. The FBI is the primary organization performing the actual field interviews especially since they have the geographic infrastructure to do so and DSS does not.”
He made this statement after I challenged his assertion that the FBI grants nearly all military security clearances. This of course was wrong, but to dig himself out of this he now makes the equally absurd claim that yes the DSS is in charge of gathering the information but the FBI actually does all of the field work.
Actually, as stated on The DSS Website at
“The Defense Security Service (DSS), formerly known as the Defense Investigative Service (DIS) was established on January 1, 1972. DSS was created in response to President Richard M. Nixon's approval of proposals suggesting the reorganization of the national intelligence community and the creation of an “Office of Defense Investigation” to consolidate Department of Defense (DoD) personnel security investigations (PSI). Prior to this consolidation, such work was accomplished through U.S. military departments by four major DoD investigative agencies. They were: 1) the U.S. Army Intelligence Command, 2) the U.S. Army Criminal Investigative Command, 3) the Naval Investigative Service, and 4) the Office of Special Investigations, Air Force. Centralization of PSIs promised economic savings through better program management and more efficient use of resources.”
“Military departments were directed to transfer certain military and civilian manpower resources to DSS and on May 1, 1972, the agency took operational control of the National Agency Check (NAC) Center and the Defense Central Index of Investigations (DCII). On October 2, 1972, DSS became operational in all 50 states under the direction of Brigadier General Joseph Cappucci, former commander of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Formation of this new agency and the consolidation of the PSI process brought additional benefits to the final investigative product-uniformity, improved quality and timeliness.”
Somehow they forgot to mention their biggest subcontractor! If EnderWiggins has any source for his claim about the DSS subcontracting almost all of their background investigations to the FBI, I would certainly appreciate seeing a link to it.
Once again I challenge EnderWiggins to give a coherent explanation as to why he feels that the person occupying the most powerful post in the world should not be expected to provide the verifiable documents from his past including his school and passport records and his long form birth certificate. So far I can summarize his reasons as being because Obama might be able to get away without doing it, and also because other people might have been able to get away without doing it. It sounds more like the reasoning from a teenage boy than the reasoning of a 53 year old West Point Grad who was an officer and given custodial responsibility of nuclear warheads at age 21.
Once again we have put a guy in the most powerful office in the world who refuses to provide verifiable information about who he is. He has the power to destroy this country and the rest of the world and we don't really know who he is and even someone who sounds like a leftist teenager admits that he doesn't know if Obama could obtain even the most basic Security Clearance. This is absurd; I would never have believed it could be so until it actually happened.
First you argued that you were just the average age of a West Point Grad at 21. Then you said, “If the average age of highs school graduation is 18, then about half will be younger. See how that works?”
Then you said,”I was not the youngest member of my graduating class by more than a month.” Now you say,”And I was not the youngest member of my West Point Class by more than two weeks.
Nearly everyone knows very few people graduate from High School at 17 probably even you. My wife did but she was the youngest member of every class she was in from grade school through high school. You claim to have graduated the same year she did despite being several months younger. Then you claim you were just the average age of your fellow students as if you wouldn't be acutely aware that you were almost a year younger than many of your classmates through your entire school career as my wife was.
I posted the age requirements to apply for West Point and have never claimed that you could not have graduated when you said you did. I am just curious why you have tried to argue so hard you were the average age of a West Point graduate and have changed your story several times. You do a lot of wiggling in your posts EnderWiggins.
Thank you for chiming in. I was from “back then” as well. I was 5 when I entered kindergarten, I turned 6 in November. In my school we didn’t have any 4 year olds in kindergarten. My wife’s parents had to get a waiver signed by their doctor in order for her to enter kindergarten. She turned 5 in August. When our kids went to kindergarten they had to be tested if they turned 5 after June.
Different states have different requirements but I would be very interested where you get the statistic that “about 1/3 of the kids” entered kindergarten when they were 4 in 1961.
Although I appreciate your reasoning I would point out is that this is not a straight mathematical problem. We were given the option with our kids as to whether they wanted to send our children off to Kindergarten at an early age or wait till the next year. Many parents decide that it is in their children's best interest to delay the start of their school career. This likely tends to skew the average toward later admissions even in the early 60s.
Personally I couldn't care less about when EnderWiggins started Kindergarten. He has made inaccurate statements here and in other threads. Mostly he refuses to verify his claims. However he chose to use his personal experiences to verify his claim that no one knows whether Obama could have received a military security clearance. Some of his personal experiences run counter to mine. And a lot of what he has claimed also runs counter to information that is easily verifiable. I personally know of examples where persons far more straight laced than Obama ran into difficulties and were denied.
EnderWiggins has been very active on the eligibility threads. It is helpful to have alternative viewpoints in the forums. Unfortunately he tends to post the same old Obama talking points. In most cases people responding to his attacks have not bothered to try and get him to back up his claims with verifiable information. Which to me this gets right to the heart of the eligibility issue. What is lacking most in what little documentation we have on Obama is verifiable information. I firmly believe that we would have already seen a legitimate looking forgery of a long form birth certificate from the Obama administration except for one thing... a document with verifiable information on it will be checked into. When some small detail does not check out then the credibility of the entire document starts to crumble.
As tedious as it is, that is how we ended up in this kindergarten discussion. I am just trying to follow up on all the info he provided for us when he claimed to have expert knowledge. In my job I am called as a witness on occassion and the lawyers often do everything they can to destroy my credibility.
Most people should be able to find for themselves that EnderWiggin’s statements about the FBI granting Security Clearances for the military is just plain false on several levels. And I think that most people understand also that the only leg he has to stand on about not knowing whether Obama could get a Military Security Clearance is that if someone wasn't doing their job that he might have been able to slip through the cracks. This to me is just so typical of the Obama talking point eligibility arguments. It is always vaguely reminiscent of arguing with a teenager. “So and so did this or got away with that, so I should be able to also.”
That is a very cute story. I don’t think that kindergarten was optional in Washington State where my wife and I grew up, but I don’t know for sure. I am one of those strange kids that loved going to school. We lived on a small farm so until I started going to school I didn’t have a lot of other kids to play with. My mom worked so I enjoyed the attention I got from the teachers and I also loved school lunches.
Of course this is not nearly as odd as your repeated claims that the FBI grants almost all military security clearances and numerous other statements you have made which are easily disproved as well. If I could give a little advice to someone who argues like a teenager and has no real allegiance to the truth... if you stuck a little closer to the Obama talking points and didn't allow others to draw you off on a tangent you would be more convincing.
I for one appreciate having a few individuals such as yourself on the forum. Without you and your associates many of these threads would get a few looks and a couple dozen comments and then be forgotten. With your assistance we are keeping the interest in these eligibility threads going for weeks. So thank you.
You still haven't made any attempt to give a valid reason why the person occupying the most powerful position in the world should not be required to provide the verifiable documentation that so far Obama has refused to. Basically all you have said thus far is that he shouldn't have to because he might be able to get away with it, and also that other people might have been able to get away with it. I can remember similar arguments with our children when they were teenagers. They didn't fly even for the trivial issues that teenagers place so much importance in. In this case we are talking about a man who has within his powers to destroy our country and the rest of the world. I know what to expect from you... several paragraphs of pastes from English common law from several hundred years ago and some more blather about them not having birth certificates way back when.
“The issue over Obamas birth certificate is not about President Obamas citizenship. It is about his honesty and his promise to be the most transparent president ever. Releasing his birth certificate and other personal records that presidents have traditionally released to the public would go a long way toward bolstering those claims.”
1. George Washington Address: George Washington Birthplace National Monument; Rural Route 1; Box 717; Washington's Birthplace, Va. 22443
2. John Adams Address: 133 Franklin St.; Quincy, Mass. 02669
3.Thomas Jefferson Address: U.S. 250; 3 miles east of Charlottesville, Va.
4. James Madison Address: Monroe Hall; Virginia SR 205; Westmoreland County near Colonial Beach, Va. 22443
5.James Monroe Address: Monroe Hall; Virginia SR 205; Westmoreland County near Colonial Beach, Va. 22443
6.John Quincy Adams Address: 141 Franklin St.; Quincy, Mass. 02169
7.Andrew Jackson Address: 14 miles south of Rock Hill on South Carolina State Route 5. The Park is on Route 1. Address:196 Andrew Jackson Park Road; Lancaster, S.C. 29720
8.Martin Van Buren Address: 46 Hudson St.; Kinderhook, New York 12106
9.William Henry Harrison Address: 12602 Harrison Landing Road; Charles City, Va. 23030
10. John Tyler Address: John Tyler Memorial Highway; Charles City, Va. 23030
11. James Polk Address: Box 475; Pineville, N.C. 28134
12. Zachary Taylor Address: Highway 33; 5 miles west of Gordonsville, Va., and just over 20 miles from Charlottesville, Va.
13. Millard Fillmore Address: Millard Fillmore Birthplace; Locke, N.Y. 13092
14. Franklin Pierce Address: The Pierce Homestead; Routes 9 and 31; Hillsboro, N.H. 03244
15. James Buchanan Address: Buchanan Historic Site; Mercersburg, Pa. 17236
16. Abraham Lincoln Address: Sinking Spring Farm; 2995 Lincoln Farm Road; Hodgenville, Ky. 42748
17. Andrew Johnson Address: Mordecai Historic Park; Wake Forest Road; Raleigh, N.C. 27601
18. Ulysses Grant Address: Grant's Birthplace; Routes 52E and 322; Point Pleasant, Ohio 45143
19. Rutherford Hayes Address: Rutherford B. Hayes Birthplace; East William Street; Delaware, Ohio 43015
20. James Garfield Address: James A. Garfield Birthplace; 4350 S.O.M Center Road; Moreland Hills (now Chagrin Falls); Cuyahoga County, Ohio 44022
21. Chester Arthur Address: Chester A. Arthur State Historic Site; Route 36; Fairfield, Vt. 05455
22. Grover Cleveland Address: Grover Cleveland Birthplace State Historic Site; 207 Bloomfield Avenue; Caldwell, N.J. 07006
23. Benjamin Harrison Address: Benjamin Harrison Birthplace; William Henry Harrison Home; Symmes and Washington Avenues; North Bend, Ohio 45052
24. Grover Cleveland Address: Grover Cleveland Birthplace State Historic Site; 207 Bloomfield Avenue; Caldwell, N.J. 07006
25. William McKinley Address: William McKinley Birthplace; 36 S. Main St.; Niles, Ohio 44446
26. Theodore Roosevelt Address: Theodore Roosevelt Birthplace National Historic Site; 28 East 20th St.; New York, N.Y. 10003
27. William Taft Address: 2038 Auburn Ave., Cincinnati, Ohio 45219
28. Woodrow Wilson Address: 18-24 Coalter Street, Staunton, Va. 24401
29. Warren Harding Address: Highways 97 and 288, Blooming Grove, Ohio 44878
30. Calvin Coolidge Address: P.O. Box 247, Plymouth, Vermont 05056
31. Herbert Hoover Address: West Branch, Iowa 52538
32. Franklin Roosevelt Address: 519 Albany Post Road, Hyde Park, N.Y. 12538
33. Harry Truman Address: 1009 Truman Ave., Lamar, Mo. 64759
34. Dwight Eisenhower Address: 208 East Day St., Denison, Texas 75020
35. John Kennedy Address: 83 Beals St., Brookline, Mass. 02146
36. Lyndon Johnson Address: Box 329 Johnson City, Texas 78636
37. Richard Nixon Address: 18001 Yorba Linda Blvd., Yorba Linda, Calif. 92686
38. Gerald Ford Address: 3202 Woolworth Ave, Omaha, Neb. 68103
39. James Carter Address: 300 North Bond St., Plains, Ga. 31780
40. Ronald Reagan Address: 119 S. Main St., Tampico, Ill. 61283
41. George H.W. Bush Address: 173 Adams St, Milton, Mass. 02187
42. Bill Clinton Address: Bill Clinton was born at the Julia Chester Hospital in Hope, Ark. The hospital has been demolished.
43. George W. Bush Address: George W. was born to Barbara and George Bush in what was then Grace-New Haven Community Hospital and is now Yale-New Haven Hospital.
44. Barack Obama Address: Unknown.
You will have to forgive me. When it comes to detective work... I am more of a Columbo than a Jessica Fletcher. (In case you are typing from an outsourced troll office in India, those are both detectives from popular American television shows. You should be able to look them up on the Internet.) Toward the end of the show Columbo frequently said, “One thing was bothering me.” I was hoping that we could drop this kindergarten thing, but it still bothers me. Let me tell you why...
My wife was born in August of 1956. You say you were born on December 29, 1956 several months after her. If you had been born just three days later, you wouldn't have been allowed to start Kindergarten in any state in the country in 1961. The vast majority of parents in 1961 would have chosen to not start you in Kindergarten until the following September. Yet when I congratulated you for graduating from West Point at such a young age... you first claimed that most of your classmates were the same age as you. My wife was always acutely aware that the other kids were older than her. I would think that you who were several months younger than she, and having many classmates a year or more older than you and being a boy... would be far more aware than her that you were one of the youngest kids in all of your classes. It simply strains believability that given the age advantages your school mates had over you in size, maturity, sporting events etc. that this would not have been something that your posts would have acknowledged immediately.
You must be aware that anyone who is a member of the West Point Association of Graduates can search the Register of Graduates. Organized by class year, this cumulative register provides birth date, state of birth, a brief summary of assignments, retirement date, rank, occupation and mailing address. There is also an indication, where appropriate, if an individual is a descendant or ancestor of another graduate. I asked a friend who is also a graduate to search the database. He has been working on it. So how many persons graduating in the class of 1978 do you suppose he found were born after December 29, 1956 and would be younger than you? You are an alumni right? Why don't you tell us. Why don't you also tell us how many people he found in the class of 1978 who were born on December 29, 1956. “One thing was bothering me.”
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