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To: fireman15
"Is it also a “Birther Lie” that the short form Certification of Live Birth that was provided by the Obama campaign did not show the hospital where he was born at or the doctor who delivered him?"

No. But since there is no eligibility requirements for the Presidency regarding hospitals or doctors, that would hardly matter now, right?

"Is it a “Birther Lie” that Obama has spent huge sums of money to prevent the release of his actual long form birth certificate which would have verifiable information on it which would show where he was born and who was present?"

Actually, yes, it is. The best and most detailed accounting of all the Birther cases that have been filed show that almost none of them were against Obama himself, and so on those he spent zero dollars. Only three required him to hire lawyers, and at least one of those was handled pro bono according to the lawyer involved. The other two were dismissed based on rather short and inexpensive motions filed by his lawyers. There is simply no evidence that Obama has spent more a couple thousand dollars on these cases, and none of that could have been avoided by presenting his birth certificate.

"If those are not “Birther Lies”, please explain to me why this type of detailed documentation which is required by many little leagues for age verification should not be provided to concerned citizens by their president."

I leave it entirely to you what you personally feel should or should not be required. And I hope that if you are not satisfied, you will exercise your powerful legal authority and withhold your vote. I can only point out to you that under the US Constitution, no such documentation is required. If you want that changed, then you should contact your Congressmen.
12 posted on 02/17/2010 12:30:13 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins

Very good! I appreciate your efforts to show the kind of slippery tactics that lawyers are currently using to prevent the citizens of the country from being shown the documents that all of us should expect our president be willing to share. Would you like to argue the meaning of the word “is” with me also.

Quoting from the constitution,”No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

I doubt whether the founding fathers imagined that appologists for a presidential candidate would have the audacity to argue that a person would not be required to provide verifiable documentation to prove his eligability. The question that I have for you is... why should the president not provide a copy of his long form birth certificate? Any documentation that would help prove his legitimacy as president could only increase his stature and authority both here and abroad. To not do this if such documents exist is counter-productive.

Your claim that there is no proof that the Obama and his representatives have spent no more than a couple of thousand dollars on this matter is simply laughable and undermines your credibility.


13 posted on 02/17/2010 1:12:34 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: EnderWiggins

Despite what you might think from our discussion here, I want you to know that I sincerely appreciate you and your associates efforts on behalf of Obama in the matter of his elegibility. I am very confident that the midterm ellections will result in a profound change in the make-up of both the Senate and the House of Representatives. It would be a terrible thing if documentation were to surface before the midterm elections in time for him to be forced from office. The resulting constitutional crisis could very well result in both Obama and his running-mate Biden being removed from office and Nancy Pelosi then becoming our nation’s first woman president.

If you can just draw this thing out long enough for the Republicans to take control of both houses of congress... there is a good chance that a Republican will serve as president for the remainder of Obama’s term.

Oh and if you don’t want to believe that anyone born outside of the state of Hawaii ever received a Hawaian COLB despite legal loopholes a mile wide that allowed this then (wink wink) that is just fine with me also. ;’)

So thank you again and keep up the good work! And from a long time member to a new person who claims to be a graduate of West Point and a veteran... welcome to the forums!


15 posted on 02/17/2010 1:56:49 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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