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To: fireman15
"I doubt whether the founding fathers imagined that appologists for a presidential candidate would have the audacity to argue that a person would not be required to provide verifiable documentation to prove his eligability."

Well, that's an interesting thought. I have to ask you... since birth certificates were not required by law in this country until about 1915, and since only 8 of our 44 Presidents ever had one in the first place, exactly what do you envision the founding fathers would have accepted as proof of eligibility?

That's not a rhetorical question, I'd really like to know what you think. What would say... Grover Cleveland have used to "prove his eligibility?"

"The question that I have for you is... why should the president not provide a copy of his long form birth certificate?"

To who? You? Who are you?

"Any documentation that would help prove his legitimacy as president could only increase his stature and authority both here and abroad. To not do this if such documents exist is counter-productive."

That's one possibility. Another is that he has already proved his legitimacy according to the standards of law and those who don't believe it won't believe anything he provided anyway. So any "increase in stature and authority" is doubtful.

"Your claim that there is no proof that the Obama and his representatives have spent no more than a couple of thousand dollars on this matter is simply laughable and undermines your credibility."

Oh... you misread my comment completely. I didn't say there was no proof. I said there was not even any evidence, let alone proof. The actual facts show that the claim is quite absurd. Orly's sanctions will add up to many times the entire expenditure of Obama on this issue.
14 posted on 02/17/2010 1:39:50 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
“Oh... you misread my comment completely. I didn't say there was no proof. I said there was not even any evidence, let alone proof. The actual facts show that the claim is quite absurd. Orly's sanctions will add up to many times the entire expenditure of Obama on this issue.”

OK, I got you we are speaking in code here aren't we? (wink wink) All those lawyers in the dozens of lawsuits related to this issue are working for free and have no connection to Obama or the Justice Department. I got you! (wink wink)

Hey if anyone else is reading through this thread (doubtful) then EnderWiggins has convinced me that we should all accept a completely unverifiable document that he claims meets the legal requirements for proof of eligibility for the presidency. Like he says they didn't have birth certificates or anything that proved anything about anyone until 1915. So just go about your business there is nothing to read here. I am just doing my part to keep one of the president's men busy and out of trouble. (wink wink). Thanks again EnderWiggins!

17 posted on 02/17/2010 2:07:17 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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