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To: fireman15
I am very curious... did you graduate from West Point before or after you were given custodial responsibility for nuclear weapons?

Well.. it depends on where you draw the line. I received my orders for the assignment while I was still a Cadet, since it was to be my first permanent duty station after graduation and the Artillery Basic Course. But I had graduated before I actually got there and took over the warheads.

So... I depends on whether you consider getting the orders or actually getting the warheads as being "given custodial responsibility."

I got my first clearance, though, as a Plebe. The investigation for that took place while I was still in high school.

"My closest friend growing up went into Naval Intelligence and was one of those “professionals” of whom you speak. We have numerous family members who have been career military members in several branches of the service. My wife's ex-husband was a recruiter. Both my wife and I are very active in veterans and military history groups. The general consensus has been... given Obama’s claimed age he most likely would have had a difficult time even joining the military let alone getting a security clearance given his history of drug use and radical associations. But I will call my most knowledgeable friends and family members and ask again what they think."

Ask them all you wish. The simple and unassailable truth is that whatever they tell you they will still just be guessing based on information of questionable reliability. The real investigators will actually investigate, and what might look like a "radical association" based on the blogosphere may not even considered meaningful by the FBI.

"I will tell you that I have been interviewed several times myself for other persons background checks. In every case the interviewers were very interested in the persons associations, possible drug use and their character."

It's an investigation. They are interested in everything. And then when they have collected everything they can, they go back an make a decision. Let me give you another interesting example on the "character" issue you mentioned.

I had an acquittance who was (at the time) an Air Force Captain who was trying to get a position with the OSI, and it required a completely new background check. Among the things they discovered in the course of the investigation was that she was wildly promiscuous and did not really care who knew about it. So do you think she got the clearance?

Of course she did. The reason I was given later was that since she did not care who knew about it, she was at no risk of being blackmailed by anyone who was aware of the behavior. Not only did she get the clearance, she eventually retired from the Air Force as a full Colonel in the OSI.

You will note that I never once said that I thought Obama could pass a background check. I have no idea whether or not he would, but neither does anybody else. And those who pretend otherwise are just pretending.
28 posted on 02/18/2010 2:17:21 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
You must be an amazing person to have graduated from West Point received a commission and an important assignment caring for nuclear warheads at only 21 years of age. You must be one of the youngest West Point Graduates ever, which is an impressive accomplishment. Congratulations!

You are a little confused however about who does background checks for military security clearances. The FBI does do background checks on individuals for Federal, State and Local agencies. The Department of Defense performs it's own background checks on military personnel. I called my friend who was in Naval Intelligence; he has insisted that a person with Obama’s questionable associations, admitted drug use and other information included in his autobiographies would not have passed a DOD background check at the time he served in the 1980s. That is for what it's worth since you have already stated you would not accept any person's assessment on this.

Personally I do not have as strong a feelings on this as you might assume. I have very little faith in our judicial system. I do not believe that Obama will be declared ineligible to be president until he is either impeached by a Republican dominated House of Representatives or his own friends turn on him. Neither is very likely. I do however support those who continue to try and unseal the documentation of Obama’s life.

30 posted on 02/18/2010 7:09:35 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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