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To: fireman15
"You must be an amazing person to have graduated from West Point received a commission and an important assignment caring for nuclear warheads at only 21 years of age. You must be one of the youngest West Point Graduates ever, which is an impressive accomplishment. Congratulations!" You must not know very much about West Point. My profile is about average. Everybody gets commissioned, most of us are 21 when we graduate, and all of us get positions of significant responsibility afterward.

"You are a little confused however about who does background checks for military security clearances. The FBI does do background checks on individuals for Federal, State and Local agencies. The Department of Defense performs it's own background checks on military personnel.

Not true. Every single background check I have ever been involved with regarding Military personnel (either my own or those I was contacted regarding) were performed by the FBI. Whether that was luck of the draw or not, it does not matter. The FBI absolutely does background checks for military security clearances.

" I called my friend who was in Naval Intelligence; he has insisted that a person with Obama’s questionable associations, admitted drug use and other information included in his autobiographies would not have passed a DOD background check at the time he served in the 1980s. That is for what it's worth since you have already stated you would not accept any person's assessment on this."

The fact that he is even willing to offer an opinion demonstrates that he has no idea what he is talking about.
31 posted on 02/19/2010 9:12:56 AM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
West Point has a four year program. Most persons do not graduate from high school until they are 18, your statement that most persons graduate from West Point when they are 21 is suspect to anyone who can add. It has been this way for a long time. George Custer was the youngest West Point graduate in his class. He was 22. I encourage anyone reading this to verify your statement about the average age of West Point graduates.

Your comments about the FBI issuing most Security Clearances for military personnel is just wrong and really destroys your credibility here. Anyone reading this can easily verify this for themselves also. Of course if others were actually reading this thread you would be shot out of the water on this one. With very few exceptions the Defense Security Service (DSS) gathers the background information. Once the information has been verified, and the investigations completed, DSS presents the information to the specific military service's adjudicator authority (each military service has their own), who determine whether or not to grant the security clearance, using standards set by that particular military service.

From the late 70s through the 80s, anyone who admitted to being a pot smoker was not welcome in most branches of the service. Obama has admitted in public and in his autobiographies that he used much harder drugs; it is very unlikely that he would have been welcomed into any branch of the service at that time. I am not as familiar with more recent policy but I am doubtful that things have eased up to the point where a person confessing to illegal drug use would be welcomed into any branch of the service without at least a great deal of additional scrutiny. Given the associations that Obama has admitted to in public and in his autobiography no branch of the service would have even bothered going to the trouble and expense of trying to get him a security clearance during this time period.

“The fact that he is even willing to offer an opinion demonstrates that he has no idea what he is talking about.” I have known the persons who have given these opinions for a very long time, and I know for certain that they do know what they are talking about. Many former and current military members are very talkative and willing to share their experiences and opinions when asked. This does not demonstrate that they don't know what they are talking about.

I hate to say it, but you have used nearly every Alinsky tactic in the book. You have thrown out many half truths to confuse the issues. You have subtly added misleading qualifiers that give the impression that you are claiming something which actually you are not. You ridicule and cast dispersions any anyone who expresses knowledge that contradicts your point of view without offering any verifiable information to back up your claims. Your protests are transparent... you are obviously trying to defend your questionable claims by going on the attack. Despite your being a very new member in this forum I have given you the benefit of the doubt because you have claimed to be a veteran and an Army officer. You are long on Obama talking points but very short on common sense. You also seem to have very low expectations for the ability of people here to verify your questionable information. Freepers are known for being able to sift through the BS so I doubt whether you will last all that long here.

32 posted on 02/19/2010 8:12:46 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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