To: fireman15
Different states have different requirements but I would be very interested where you get the statistic that “about 1/3 of the kids” entered kindergarten when they were 4 in 1961.

I didn't say 1961. In Illinois it was somewhere in the very late 1950's that the 5th year birthdate was moved to a date in November of the school year of kindergarten enrollment. I remember when it was moved to November sometime after I was already in school. Then it was changed to near the beginning of the school year. Now it's before the beginning of the school year.

How I got to the statistic was

1. if the cut-off birthday for entering kindergarten was turning 5 year by, roughly, the midpoint of the school year in which the child started kindergarten, sometime in January,

2. if births are more or less distributed evenly throughout the calendar year,

3. if most parents put their kids into kindergarten the first year they were eligible, and

4. if there are 4 months of school from September through December,

5. then there were kids whose 5th birthday occurred after the start of school in September and before the midpoint of the school year, a period of about four months. So 4/12 = 1/3.

I have exceedingly clear memories of this because I was started when I was four with a birthdate near the end of November. I held out until shortly after Christmas, after which my mom pulled me out and told the school I was just too young. I waited until the next fall and started kindergarten for the second time. The next fall, when I started first grade, was when my sister, who was born 18 months after me, started kindergarten at five years of age, having been born in May.
43 posted on 02/21/2010 4:58:30 AM PST by aruanan

To: aruanan
Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth, 1961 was the year that EnderWiggins and my wife entered kindergarten. I was not aware previous to the discussion here that in other areas of the country so many kids started Kindergarten so early. Thank you for the explanation.

Although I appreciate your reasoning I would point out is that this is not a straight mathematical problem. We were given the option with our kids as to whether they wanted to send our children off to Kindergarten at an early age or wait till the next year. Many parents decide that it is in their children's best interest to delay the start of their school career. This likely tends to skew the average toward later admissions even in the early 60s.

Personally I couldn't care less about when EnderWiggins started Kindergarten. He has made inaccurate statements here and in other threads. Mostly he refuses to verify his claims. However he chose to use his personal experiences to verify his claim that no one knows whether Obama could have received a military security clearance. Some of his personal experiences run counter to mine. And a lot of what he has claimed also runs counter to information that is easily verifiable. I personally know of examples where persons far more straight laced than Obama ran into difficulties and were denied.

EnderWiggins has been very active on the eligibility threads. It is helpful to have alternative viewpoints in the forums. Unfortunately he tends to post the same old Obama talking points. In most cases people responding to his attacks have not bothered to try and get him to back up his claims with verifiable information. Which to me this gets right to the heart of the eligibility issue. What is lacking most in what little documentation we have on Obama is verifiable information. I firmly believe that we would have already seen a legitimate looking forgery of a long form birth certificate from the Obama administration except for one thing... a document with verifiable information on it will be checked into. When some small detail does not check out then the credibility of the entire document starts to crumble.

As tedious as it is, that is how we ended up in this kindergarten discussion. I am just trying to follow up on all the info he provided for us when he claimed to have expert knowledge. In my job I am called as a witness on occassion and the lawyers often do everything they can to destroy my credibility.

Most people should be able to find for themselves that EnderWiggin’s statements about the FBI granting Security Clearances for the military is just plain false on several levels. And I think that most people understand also that the only leg he has to stand on about not knowing whether Obama could get a Military Security Clearance is that if someone wasn't doing their job that he might have been able to slip through the cracks. This to me is just so typical of the Obama talking point eligibility arguments. It is always vaguely reminiscent of arguing with a teenager. “So and so did this or got away with that, so I should be able to also.”

44 posted on 02/21/2010 9:03:15 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)

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