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To: EnderWiggins
EnderWiggins, I already admitted to others in the thread that I may have been barking up the wrong tree on your age. The thing that is curious to me however is that you have now changed your tune on this four different times. To me that seems a little odd. Until others came forward here... you did not appear to be willing to admit that you started kindergarten at age 4. There are currently no states which allow a child who will not turn 5 until December 29 to enter kindergarten.

Of course this is not nearly as odd as your repeated claims that the FBI grants almost all military security clearances and numerous other statements you have made which are easily disproved as well. If I could give a little advice to someone who argues like a teenager and has no real allegiance to the truth... if you stuck a little closer to the Obama talking points and didn't allow others to draw you off on a tangent you would be more convincing.

I for one appreciate having a few individuals such as yourself on the forum. Without you and your associates many of these threads would get a few looks and a couple dozen comments and then be forgotten. With your assistance we are keeping the interest in these eligibility threads going for weeks. So thank you.

You still haven't made any attempt to give a valid reason why the person occupying the most powerful position in the world should not be required to provide the verifiable documentation that so far Obama has refused to. Basically all you have said thus far is that he shouldn't have to because he might be able to get away with it, and also that other people might have been able to get away with it. I can remember similar arguments with our children when they were teenagers. They didn't fly even for the trivial issues that teenagers place so much importance in. In this case we are talking about a man who has within his powers to destroy our country and the rest of the world. I know what to expect from you... several paragraphs of pastes from English common law from several hundred years ago and some more blather about them not having birth certificates way back when.

“The issue over Obama’s birth certificate is not about President Obama’s citizenship. It is about his honesty and his promise to be the most transparent president ever. Releasing his birth certificate and other personal records that presidents have traditionally released to the public would go a long way toward bolstering those claims.”

1. George Washington — Address: George Washington Birthplace National Monument; Rural Route 1; Box 717; Washington's Birthplace, Va. 22443

2. John Adams — Address: 133 Franklin St.; Quincy, Mass. 02669

3.Thomas Jefferson — Address: U.S. 250; 3 miles east of Charlottesville, Va.

4. James Madison — Address: Monroe Hall; Virginia SR 205; Westmoreland County near Colonial Beach, Va. 22443

5.James Monroe — Address: Monroe Hall; Virginia SR 205; Westmoreland County near Colonial Beach, Va. 22443

6.John Quincy Adams — Address: 141 Franklin St.; Quincy, Mass. 02169

7.Andrew Jackson — Address: 14 miles south of Rock Hill on South Carolina State Route 5. The Park is on Route 1. Address:196 Andrew Jackson Park Road; Lancaster, S.C. 29720

8.Martin Van Buren — Address: 46 Hudson St.; Kinderhook, New York 12106

9.William Henry Harrison — Address: 12602 Harrison Landing Road; Charles City, Va. 23030

10. John Tyler — Address: John Tyler Memorial Highway; Charles City, Va. 23030

11. James Polk — Address: Box 475; Pineville, N.C. 28134

12. Zachary Taylor — Address: Highway 33; 5 miles west of Gordonsville, Va., and just over 20 miles from Charlottesville, Va.

13. Millard Fillmore — Address: Millard Fillmore Birthplace; Locke, N.Y. 13092

14. Franklin Pierce — Address: The Pierce Homestead; Routes 9 and 31; Hillsboro, N.H. 03244

15. James Buchanan — Address: Buchanan Historic Site; Mercersburg, Pa. 17236

16. Abraham Lincoln — Address: Sinking Spring Farm; 2995 Lincoln Farm Road; Hodgenville, Ky. 42748

17. Andrew Johnson — Address: Mordecai Historic Park; Wake Forest Road; Raleigh, N.C. 27601

18. Ulysses Grant — Address: Grant's Birthplace; Routes 52E and 322; Point Pleasant, Ohio 45143

19. Rutherford Hayes — Address: Rutherford B. Hayes Birthplace; East William Street; Delaware, Ohio 43015

20. James Garfield — Address: James A. Garfield Birthplace; 4350 S.O.M Center Road; Moreland Hills (now Chagrin Falls); Cuyahoga County, Ohio 44022

21. Chester Arthur — Address: Chester A. Arthur State Historic Site; Route 36; Fairfield, Vt. 05455

22. Grover Cleveland — Address: Grover Cleveland Birthplace State Historic Site; 207 Bloomfield Avenue; Caldwell, N.J. 07006

23. Benjamin Harrison — Address: Benjamin Harrison Birthplace; William Henry Harrison Home; Symmes and Washington Avenues; North Bend, Ohio 45052

24. Grover Cleveland — Address: Grover Cleveland Birthplace State Historic Site; 207 Bloomfield Avenue; Caldwell, N.J. 07006

25. William McKinley — Address: William McKinley Birthplace; 36 S. Main St.; Niles, Ohio 44446

26. Theodore Roosevelt — Address: Theodore Roosevelt Birthplace National Historic Site; 28 East 20th St.; New York, N.Y. 10003

27. William Taft — Address: 2038 Auburn Ave., Cincinnati, Ohio 45219

28. Woodrow Wilson — Address: 18-24 Coalter Street, Staunton, Va. 24401

29. Warren Harding — Address: Highways 97 and 288, Blooming Grove, Ohio 44878

30. Calvin Coolidge — Address: P.O. Box 247, Plymouth, Vermont 05056

31. Herbert Hoover — Address: West Branch, Iowa 52538

32. Franklin Roosevelt — Address: 519 Albany Post Road, Hyde Park, N.Y. 12538

33. Harry Truman — Address: 1009 Truman Ave., Lamar, Mo. 64759

34. Dwight Eisenhower — Address: 208 East Day St., Denison, Texas 75020

35. John Kennedy — Address: 83 Beals St., Brookline, Mass. 02146

36. Lyndon Johnson — Address: Box 329 Johnson City, Texas 78636

37. Richard Nixon — Address: 18001 Yorba Linda Blvd., Yorba Linda, Calif. 92686

38. Gerald Ford — Address: 3202 Woolworth Ave, Omaha, Neb. 68103

39. James Carter — Address: 300 North Bond St., Plains, Ga. 31780

40. Ronald Reagan — Address: 119 S. Main St., Tampico, Ill. 61283

41. George H.W. Bush — Address: 173 Adams St, Milton, Mass. 02187

42. Bill Clinton — Address: Bill Clinton was born at the Julia Chester Hospital in Hope, Ark. The hospital has been demolished.

43. George W. Bush — Address: George W. was born to Barbara and George Bush in what was then Grace-New Haven Community Hospital and is now Yale-New Haven Hospital.

44. Barack Obama — Address: Unknown.

http://www.newsmax.com/Ruddy/Obama-birth-certificate/2009/12/12/id/341849

48 posted on 02/22/2010 1:09:12 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15
To me that seems a little odd. Until others came forward here... you did not appear to be willing to admit that you started kindergarten at age 4. There are currently no states which allow a child who will not turn 5 until December 29 to enter kindergarten.

So it is a very good thing that I am not 4 years old trying to enter Kindergarten today. Your brilliant detective work on that issue continues to dazzle us all.

"Of course this is not nearly as odd as your repeated claims that the FBI grants almost all military security clearances and numerous other statements you have made which are easily disproved as well."

And yet, the only thing you have actually managed to disprove is that I am not exceptional. You forced me through brilliant detective work to finally begrudgingly confess that yeah, I'm actually much more amazing than I wanted to admit after all. How's that working out for you?

"You still haven't made any attempt to give a valid reason why the person occupying the most powerful position in the world should not be required to provide the verifiable documentation that so far Obama has refused to."

To who? You? Are you serious?

You have framed the question poorly, IMHO. It would be more meaningful had you asserted that:

"You still haven't made any attempt to give a valid reason why the person occupying the most powerful position in the world should not be required to jump through hoops to satisfy a fringe group of conspiracy theorists who would never vote for him anyway."

Seems to me, the answer to that is hardly a mystery.



Now... I love your list of Presidential Birthplaces. I make two observations:

First, it is false that Obama's birthplace is unknown. It is known based on exactly as much documentation as exists for all but at most 8 of the other President on that list.

Second, I'm curious about exactly how you know any of those other Presidents were born where your list says?

Have you seen their long form birth certificates?
49 posted on 02/22/2010 1:44:52 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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