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To: fireman15
To me that seems a little odd. Until others came forward here... you did not appear to be willing to admit that you started kindergarten at age 4. There are currently no states which allow a child who will not turn 5 until December 29 to enter kindergarten.

So it is a very good thing that I am not 4 years old trying to enter Kindergarten today. Your brilliant detective work on that issue continues to dazzle us all.

"Of course this is not nearly as odd as your repeated claims that the FBI grants almost all military security clearances and numerous other statements you have made which are easily disproved as well."

And yet, the only thing you have actually managed to disprove is that I am not exceptional. You forced me through brilliant detective work to finally begrudgingly confess that yeah, I'm actually much more amazing than I wanted to admit after all. How's that working out for you?

"You still haven't made any attempt to give a valid reason why the person occupying the most powerful position in the world should not be required to provide the verifiable documentation that so far Obama has refused to."

To who? You? Are you serious?

You have framed the question poorly, IMHO. It would be more meaningful had you asserted that:

"You still haven't made any attempt to give a valid reason why the person occupying the most powerful position in the world should not be required to jump through hoops to satisfy a fringe group of conspiracy theorists who would never vote for him anyway."

Seems to me, the answer to that is hardly a mystery.



Now... I love your list of Presidential Birthplaces. I make two observations:

First, it is false that Obama's birthplace is unknown. It is known based on exactly as much documentation as exists for all but at most 8 of the other President on that list.

Second, I'm curious about exactly how you know any of those other Presidents were born where your list says?

Have you seen their long form birth certificates?
49 posted on 02/22/2010 1:44:52 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
EnderWiggins, I am starting to become a little concerned for you. You posted only around fifty times today which came to just twenty five printed pages for me to add to your file. You have done so much more on many of the other days in the month since you first joined the Free Republic. This latest post to me was very rambling and certainly not of the same quality of many of your other biting posts.

You will have to forgive me. When it comes to detective work... I am more of a Columbo than a Jessica Fletcher. (In case you are typing from an outsourced troll office in India, those are both detectives from popular American television shows. You should be able to look them up on the Internet.) Toward the end of the show Columbo frequently said, “One thing was bothering me.” I was hoping that we could drop this kindergarten thing, but it still bothers me. Let me tell you why...

My wife was born in August of 1956. You say you were born on December 29, 1956 several months after her. If you had been born just three days later, you wouldn't have been allowed to start Kindergarten in any state in the country in 1961. The vast majority of parents in 1961 would have chosen to not start you in Kindergarten until the following September. Yet when I congratulated you for graduating from West Point at such a young age... you first claimed that most of your classmates were the same age as you. My wife was always acutely aware that the other kids were older than her. I would think that you who were several months younger than she, and having many classmates a year or more older than you and being a boy... would be far more aware than her that you were one of the youngest kids in all of your classes. It simply strains believability that given the age advantages your school mates had over you in size, maturity, sporting events etc. that this would not have been something that your posts would have acknowledged immediately.

You must be aware that anyone who is a member of the West Point Association of Graduates can search the Register of Graduates. Organized by class year, this cumulative register provides birth date, state of birth, a brief summary of assignments, retirement date, rank, occupation and mailing address. There is also an indication, where appropriate, if an individual is a descendant or ancestor of another graduate. I asked a friend who is also a graduate to search the database. He has been working on it. So how many persons graduating in the class of 1978 do you suppose he found were born after December 29, 1956 and would be younger than you? You are an alumni right? Why don't you tell us. Why don't you also tell us how many people he found in the class of 1978 who were born on December 29, 1956. “One thing was bothering me.”

50 posted on 02/22/2010 7:46:04 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: EnderWiggins
Regarding the rest of your rambling post:

Your facetious claim, “First, it is false that Obama’s birthplace is unknown. It is known based on exactly as much documentation as exists for all but at most 8 of the other President on that list.”, is just plain silly.

“Of 43 men who have served as president, only Zachary Taylor and Andrew Jackson, both born on the frontier, have disputed birth sites. All others have some commemoration for their place of birth — except Obama.” from:

http://www.newsmax.com/Ruddy/Obama-birth-certificate/2009/12/12/id/341849

There are other ways of verifying where a person was born other than providing their long form birth certificate. Unfortunately, unlike the other presidents Obama has been unwilling or unable to provide verifiable information about his birth or even the location of his birth. No, Obama’s COLB does not provide verifiable information. If you think it does, please explain.

If you know where Obama was born, why don't you tell the rest of us? If you can't tell us the hospital or address where he was born then you don't know. Two different hospitals have been claimed by Obama or his representatives or family members. First it was claimed that Obama was born at The Queen's Medical Center. Then for six months Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children claimed that he was born there. then they mysteriously dropped the claim

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=103633

http://www.earthfrisk.com/blog/?p=135

Then you go onto claim that persons who believe Obama should provide the documentation of his life are a “fringe group of conspiracy theorists who would never vote for him anyway.”

I guess that you haven't looked over too many of the polls on this. From Polls this summer, “Tom Jensen of Public Policy Polling just reported on Twitter that a new poll his firm conducted finds that only 32% of Virginia Republicans think Obama was born in the US, while 41% think he was not and 27% are not sure. These numbers are even worse than the national results from the Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll released on Friday, which found that 28% of Republicans think Obama is not a citizen and 30% are not sure.”

http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2009/08/va-poll-backs-kos-result-on-obama-birth.html

That doesn't sound like a fringe group to me. The numbers have only gotten worse since that time; I just do not have time to list all of the links.

51 posted on 02/22/2010 9:20:17 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: EnderWiggins
I will repeat, that I do not claim to know where Obama was born. I don't claim that there has been a conspiracy. All I know is that the person occupying the most powerful office in the world appears to be covering something up. This is a dangerous situation which undermines the confidence that persons worldwide have in Obama’s ability to lead. This is a travesty.
52 posted on 02/22/2010 9:27:46 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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