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U.S. Marine At Battle Of Marja: Who Can Tell The Good Ones From The Bad Ones?
David Horowitz's NewsRealBlog.com ^ | February 16, 2010 | John L. Work

Posted on 02/16/2010 7:15:48 PM PST by JLWORK

The United States Marines now fighting the battle of Marja, Afghanistan are facing a most difficult mission. They are tasked with clearing the town of Taliban fighters – and they are restricted by rules of engagement not seen heretofore in the history of U.S. warfare. Commanding General Stanley McChrystal has made limiting civilian casualties a higher priority than loss of American lives. And it is impossible to tell who is the enemy in a Muslim State that still resembles the Stone Age. The Los Angeles Times coverage by Tony Perry and Laura King is here:

(Excerpt) Read more at newsrealblog.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; marines; marjah; roe; rulesofengagement; usmc; war

1 posted on 02/16/2010 7:15:48 PM PST by JLWORK
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To: JLWORK
Back in the days when we used to win wars, we used to just blow the Eff out of the town. Civilian casualties were unfortunate but pretty unavoidable. It used to hurt to be in a war with us.

Now we paint bullseyes on ourselves and dig wells. Are we winning yet?

2 posted on 02/16/2010 7:19:16 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We used to have a saying, “kill em all and let God sort em out”. That worked everytime..........


3 posted on 02/16/2010 7:20:15 PM PST by Old Texan (Nobama, cound't get a job as a shift leader at Church's Fried Chicken.)
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To: JLWORK

Commanding General Stanley McChrystal has made limiting civilian casualties a higher priority than loss of American lives.

If true, McChrystal is unfit for command and a traitor.


4 posted on 02/16/2010 7:24:09 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: JLWORK

Kill them all and let G_d sort them out.


5 posted on 02/16/2010 7:24:11 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: JLWORK
Fox News had a video report on these ROE. Marines behind a low wall taking sniper fire. They knew where and what building it was coming from. Then two men walk out of the building ... the Marines can't kill them because they aren’t carrying weapons!

WTF?

6 posted on 02/16/2010 7:24:14 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

The Taliban will wait us out. 1 year, five years whatever. Either we have a permanent presence or they will just regroup and surround Kabul. In the lonng run, we’ll wear out politically long before they do. They live there.


7 posted on 02/16/2010 7:25:54 PM PST by votemout
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To: ClearCase_guy

welcome to the information age, where a picture of a dead child can circulate around the world in a matter of minutes and completely derail your foreign policy agenda.


8 posted on 02/16/2010 7:28:28 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Based on what little you said, two guys walking out the building shouldn’t be shot. The building has to be cleared or blown up before you know if they were, shooters, residents, all of the above or what. Even if they turn out to be the shooters they needs to be questioned to see what information might be obtained. Then, for my money, shoot em.


9 posted on 02/16/2010 7:28:48 PM PST by votemout
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To: RC one
The foreign policy would only be derailed if the Opposition Party were traitorous enough to make a big deal out of it.

Oh, I guess I see what you mean.

10 posted on 02/16/2010 7:30:20 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: votemout

that is exactly right


11 posted on 02/16/2010 7:31:12 PM PST by element92
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To: votemout

No way! They should have obliterated the building! No one walks out!


12 posted on 02/16/2010 7:33:33 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Why capture some guys who may have intel. You’re right just blow up all the buildings, possible sources and throw in the kids while you’re at it. How many divisions did you command?


13 posted on 02/16/2010 7:37:49 PM PST by votemout
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To: JLWORK
We've been at this for a few days now, and while I've heard the reports of taliban snipers, and ridiculous rules of engagement, I've not heard any American casualty or fatality reports.

I hope that it's just that we aren't taking any casualties, and not that they're not being reported in an attempt to cover for the BS, self defeating rules of engagement our guys are being handicapped with.

14 posted on 02/16/2010 7:47:29 PM PST by Washi
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To: votemout; Red_Devil 232

Red_Devil 232 is too kind,,,

Think “Arc-Light”,,,

Intel be damned,,,

The only “kids” I worry about are those young Troops,,,

Which war were You in ?...


15 posted on 02/16/2010 8:20:12 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Washi

We have lost a few so far,,,small arms/IED’s,,,

Moozzi knew they were comin’ so the whole place is

bobby-trapped/mined,,,

The Guys are doing a Great job...


16 posted on 02/16/2010 8:24:27 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: votemout
The town is in the middle of a $hit-storm that residents, (who supposedly skeeedaddled before the hostilities started,) knew was coming for weeks...and two guys just walk out of the sniper building and start walking around ? and they're not the bad guys ? God help us all.

War...just a walk in the park.

17 posted on 02/16/2010 8:53:14 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

the real one


18 posted on 02/16/2010 10:15:22 PM PST by votemout
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To: stylin19a

who said they weren’t the bad guys?


19 posted on 02/16/2010 10:16:12 PM PST by votemout
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To: votemout

They’re all “real” when a kid comes home in a box...


20 posted on 02/16/2010 10:26:10 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
They're also real when the congress and the president get behind them. There's more ways than a war to come home in a box.

I can tell from your first answer, you don't know shit from shinola. You kill the first two guys who walk out of a house. We'll strip em down, and ship em up the hill for a chat, clear the house of others, ammo, documents, laptops etc., and then burn it down if it's a rat hole. I'll get to London before ya.

21 posted on 02/16/2010 10:30:05 PM PST by votemout
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To: votemout

I can tell from your first answer, you don’t know shit from shinola. You kill the first two guys who walk out of a house. We’ll strip em down, and ship em up the hill for a chat, clear the house of others, ammo, documents, laptops etc., and then burn it down if it’s a rat hole. I’ll get to London before ya.
~~~
You don’t know what Arc-Light is,,,

There would be no house,,,

There would be no city,,,

There would be no poppy farmers/fields,,,

There would be no dope money to fund the terrs,,,

There would be no mother’s son puttin’ his life on the line

to go in those places for worthless info,,,

There would be no “up the hill for a chat” so the Afghans

could just let them go,,,

Never trust ARVN,,,Never trust a moozzi...


22 posted on 02/16/2010 11:25:21 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: votemout

you’re right. you didn’t say they weren’t the bad guys. you said “if”.
I prefer a scorched earth policy.


23 posted on 02/17/2010 4:44:22 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: achilles2000
You do not have to hold up a sign saying “I am an idiot”.
24 posted on 02/17/2010 5:24:32 AM PST by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: achilles2000

McChrystal is unfit for command AND so are the rest of these Generals that support handcuffing our troops in combat. ....and yet blindfolded and handcuffed the Marines still win. Semper Fi.


25 posted on 02/17/2010 11:03:32 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: JLWORK

If it moves kill it!!!

Age or gender don’t count!


26 posted on 02/17/2010 11:15:53 PM PST by dalereed
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