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Glenn Beck is irresponsible in his leadership
me ^ | 02/18/10 | Jen Kuznicki

Posted on 02/18/2010 3:48:06 PM PST by jenk

Glenn Beck, the latest phenom of the Conservative Movement, jumps the shark nearly every week.

I have not been a fan of his. That said, I believe he is putting the movement in jeopardy.

You could spend a whole day surfing youtube for his latest outlandish behavior, but I do not fault him for that. In the entertainment industry, it is necessary to put on some sort of showmanship. I don’t personally like his brand, but I would not bicker over personal taste.

The problem I see is that he is not uplifting. He is more libertarian than conservative, but his message always seems to end up with the viewer or listener commiserating with him. As if he has accepted being the shepard and just aims to console rather than inspire.

It is not a good path for someone who commands as great an audience as he has.

Beck should lead like a parent, allowing his audience to understand that while exposing what the administration is doing, he encourages them to want to do something about it. He does not do that, instead, he nurtures inaction. Sitting around and learning bad things then mourning for their country will drive people to drink and continue to want to commiserate with others who do the same and cycle continues. The only stimulating thing Beck has done has to do with driving people toward Ron Paul, which is just disgraceful, especially since the Paul followers are isolationists and security-challenged.

I take serious offense with his continuous drive toward a third party. That idea is reprehensible and he should know better, and has been pulled by the ear by many conservatives because of it. Yet, he continues. He seems able enough to repeat quotes from serious scholars and thinkers without telling his audience who said it first, but he hasn’t an inkling how to listen to the message these thinkers give.

Many have wondered if he is just in “it” for himself. There is nothing wrong with being a capitalist, but to steal and put up fronts is no way to lead. The worst kind of capitalist is one who does not govern himself first. Perhaps that is why he doesn’t inspire his viewers and listeners. He doesn’t know how.

Look, I know he has had a past that included drugs and alcohol, and I do not fault him for that. People in glass houses and so on, but his direction is no longer humorous.

Being in management myself, I have always employed the idea of hiring your replacement, then staying one step ahead of them. It encourages healthy competition and drives the best to the top. Sarah Palin was just hired by Fox. If she is given any kind of freedom there, Beck is toast.

I watched the Constitution Town Hall that Hillsdale College gave a while back, and Dr. Larry Arnn said that in order to move the country to where it needs to go, which is toward the Constitution and the Founding, it is going to take a lot of thinking. Mr. Beck needs to start doing that.


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To: jenk

I used to love his radio show. I watched the TV show for awhile but just can’t anymore. I do wonder if he is drinking, its just getting to creepy for me.


51 posted on 02/18/2010 4:13:50 PM PST by svcw (If you are going to quote the Bible know what you are quoting.)
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To: jessduntno

Yes.


52 posted on 02/18/2010 4:13:50 PM PST by capecodder
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To: jenk

Beck is just one of the many Pied Pipers of the MSM.

One must fully understand the reasoning why people believe they must have leadership.

How would history have changed if the mice wore earplugs and started laughing at the buffoon playing his song?


53 posted on 02/18/2010 4:13:59 PM PST by Eye of Unk ("Either you are with us or you are for the terrorists." ~~George W. Bush)
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To: Eddie01

You are a perfect example of what Beck has done. You give glorified overtures to a man who doesn’t want to have the responsibility that goes along with leadership.


54 posted on 02/18/2010 4:14:34 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; jenk
Third party... No better way to keep 0bama in power.

Threat of a viable third party candidate...no better way to whip the GOP back into conservative thinking and behavior.

55 posted on 02/18/2010 4:14:48 PM PST by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: jenk

what are the “effects of his rantings and not-very-well-thought-out conclusions”.


56 posted on 02/18/2010 4:14:53 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: paulycy

I bet you are the same type of person who hates how the MSM doesn’t get it right.


57 posted on 02/18/2010 4:15:51 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: jenk

Having watched a few of Glen Beck’s dramatic presentations on the deficit, the Constitution etc., he inspired me to do some research and make comparisons. He is a rabble rouser and a muck raker in the best Jack Anderson tradition - with a bit more schmaltz.

Tonight as I watched, I had an Elmer Gantry moment when Beck lumped in the *birthers* with the *truthers* followed by a *Face in the Crowd* moment.

I changed channels. Glen is doing some good work - and getting paid for it. There are many thousands of other good people of conscience doing great work, and doing their duty for free..... and freedom.


58 posted on 02/18/2010 4:15:51 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: NautiNurse
perot tried that - got us bill clinton
59 posted on 02/18/2010 4:16:22 PM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: jenk

I couldn’t disagree more. Unlike a lot of them who just point out what’s wrong and right, he’s one of the few that actually calls people to action. Also, he’s the most independent out there; he’s by far not a GOP or DNC kool-aid drinker. Further, he was called nuts years ago when he was forecasting the economic mess we are in today, yet he was right on the money (no pun intended).


60 posted on 02/18/2010 4:17:26 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier (Glenn Beck radio show replay (2-5pm Eastern): http://gateway.andohs.net/player/?sid=3018&nid=2920#)
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To: sloop

You confuse a candidate with the threat of a candidate.


61 posted on 02/18/2010 4:17:38 PM PST by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: jenk
I bet you are the same type of person who hates how the MSM doesn’t get it right.

On the contrary. I understand exactly why the MSM gets it wrong. Just as I understand exactly why bloggers behave the way they do.

62 posted on 02/18/2010 4:18:41 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality. (Hi Mom.))
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To: Engineer_Soldier
...he’s one of the few that actually calls people to action.

what action is that?

63 posted on 02/18/2010 4:18:44 PM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: abigailsmybaby

You may read the following for additional background. Stop listening to Glenn Beck as a minimum. He is a slick traitor ambushing true Constitutionalists and repeating the global government line on 9/11 to keep us all in state of fear from covert bogeymen. He had me fooled for over a year. There are forces seeking to subvert and absorb the Tea Party grass-roots movement with Beck as their media figurehead and Palin as their neo-con political figure. (view Hitler on Glenn Beck for humorous political satire on this topic)

 

·         Republican Dirty Tricks Machine Targeting Grass Roots Constitutionalists

 

·         Sarah Palin 9/11 Truther Controversy Explodes

 

·         Chris Matthews Mimics Glenn Beck’s Talking Points

 

·         Glenn Beck, Like Debra Medina, Has Questions About 9/11

 

9/11 truth is the third rail for the fake left-right paradigm. They have latched on to this in an attempt to discredit Medina and others. I, like thousands of other engineers holding an Engineering Week press conference on Friday, 19 Feb, have serious questions about the WTC 1,2 and 7 engineered implosions. That doesn’t make us terrorists or threats to Barack Hussein Obama. That is a false fiction being drummed up by Beck and others to support a possible false flag attack on Obama which will engender ANOTHER crisis from which only a bigger, more intrusive government that restricts additional freedoms can rescue us and keep us all safe and sound in our jammies. (Have some milk and cookies and step into the naked body scanner and get your hands swabbed by your friendly TSA agent on your next plane trip. Hope you’re not allergic to that swabbing material and your naked body pics don’t end up on the Internet.)

 

60 Aerospace Engineers Call for New 9/11 Investigation

 

Silver lining: thinking individuals will look deeper into 9/11 truth to see what all the fuss is about and make up their own mind vs. having the globalist media do it for them.

64 posted on 02/18/2010 4:18:49 PM PST by enviros_kill (Counter the culture and the oppression of regression)
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To: ilgipper
One thing I would give him high marks on is being able to attract demographics not yet reached by Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity and the rest - and that would be women, and moderate minorities, and even some young adults.

But what good will that do when he gets them so upset at both Parties that come November 2010 and 2012 they vote Third Party?

65 posted on 02/18/2010 4:19:09 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: NautiNurse

Ross Perot not a lesson learned?


66 posted on 02/18/2010 4:20:22 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks ("YOU LIE! (09/09/09)" "NOT TRUE! (1/27/10)")
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To: jenk
"He does not do that, instead, he nurtures inaction."

Sorry. but that's bullsh!t.

No one - no single person - on television or radio or the Internet has done more to encourage people to get off their couches and come to the aid of their country during the past year than Glenn Beck.

That's right: for all his over-the-top emotionalism, the man has done a profound public service. No one else has created such popular momentum: not Rush (who I love); not Sean Hannity (who likes the sound of his own voice too much to really listen to his guests).

No one has been more instrumental in getting Americans involved in taking back their country from the Progressive hoard. Glenn Beck created the 9/12 Project. He is a one-man catalyst for action. Millions of Americans would not even know what "Progressivsim" is, much less the threat it presents were it not for Glenn Beck.

If it were not for Glenn, would you even know who Van Jones is? Or Anita Dunn? Or Cass Sunstein? Or why their proximity to the White House mattered so profoundly? Please: give the man the credit he is due. Have you attended any Tea Parties? I have. I saw a great number of signs with a variety of messages. One of the most common among them was: "Thank You, Glenn Beck".

67 posted on 02/18/2010 4:20:43 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

See above


68 posted on 02/18/2010 4:21:01 PM PST by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: NautiNurse
oh - i was thinking we were dealing with adults
69 posted on 02/18/2010 4:21:16 PM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: Kinzua

Someone on here taught me to do this: < i > before the quote (leave out the space before and after the i). After the quote do arrow / i arrow. Again no spaces. To drop down two spaces for your post follow the arrow i arrow with arrow p arrow.


70 posted on 02/18/2010 4:21:52 PM PST by 1raider1
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To: jenk

When you start by saying you don’t like Glenn or his policies, everything after that is void. I see everything just about 180 degrees differently than you do. Evidently thousands upon thousands do too. So don’t watch him. I think he’s about the best thing going on TV right now.


71 posted on 02/18/2010 4:21:52 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: NautiNurse

“Threat of a viable third party candidate...no better way to whip the GOP back into conservative thinking and behavior.”

Absolutely...if they can’t belong to a conservative party, they can go elsewhere and we need to let them know it. No more RINO’s...if they don’t get that message, they won’t change.


72 posted on 02/18/2010 4:21:57 PM PST by jessduntno (If Bawney Fwank talks in his sleep, is it considered wetting the bed?)
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To: jenk
Beck adds up 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0...
Zero does add up.. He sometimes divides by 0 too..

Its tough job but somebodys got to do it..
Without Beck; President Zero would add to any number of cyphers..
Do you yourself add like Chris Matthews?
RINOs on this website are TARGETS.. Targets are useful..

73 posted on 02/18/2010 4:22:04 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: ilgipper
Because i go to my local Republican Party meetings, and everybody says, progressive, progressive, hitler, hitler, mussilini, ron paul--like a bunch of robots.

Some people are thrust into a leadership position by the number of followers and the readiness of the followers to do anything he says

A person CANNOT deny leadership responsibility without total chaos.

74 posted on 02/18/2010 4:22:24 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: jenk

Thank you jen, for your 1/300,000,000 opinion.

It’s worth just that.


76 posted on 02/18/2010 4:22:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: jenk

Beck should lead like a parent....

Stopped reading right f’ing there.

NO! It is NOT anyone’s job in the media or government to “lead like a parent”!

Get this through your thick f’ing skull! This is what got Clinton elected, the damn pony tailed guy in Richmond, Virginia that stood up and said, “Think of us as your children...”

That’s music to the ears of anyone that wants power, dictatorial control and to lead without mandate. We are NOT following Glenn Beck! We are NOT being led around by the nose! We are NOT parroting talking points!

Glenn Beck is everyman who’s fed up with everything he sees. He’s a representative of outrage, not the cause of it. He is not a leader, he doesn’t want to be a leader and he has shunned taking credit for mass voter discontent.

You can turn the channel, you can listen to other commentators, you can become apolitical. However the second you’ve told someone to “lead like a parent” or to “think of us as your children” you’ve surrendered yourself to their will, not yours.

Just how new are you to this life, liberty and pursuit of happiness thing???


77 posted on 02/18/2010 4:23:00 PM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: Clint N. Suhks
its the ‘stop or i will spank you’ plan

no real paddle though

78 posted on 02/18/2010 4:23:33 PM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: Kinzua

Someone on here taught me to do this: left arrow i right arrow before the quote (leave out the space before and after the i). These are the things above the comma and period. After the quote do arrow / i arrow. Again no spaces. To drop down two spaces for your post follow the arrow i arrow with arrow p arrow.


79 posted on 02/18/2010 4:23:40 PM PST by 1raider1
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To: NautiNurse; jenk
"I take serious offense with his continuous drive toward a third party. That idea is reprehensible and he should know better, and has been pulled by the ear by many conservatives because of it. Yet, he continues."

Right-on!

Even Rush has commented the 3rd party movement will keep MAO-bama with a permanent majority...yet Beck continues either thru stupidity or because he wants the Bamster to continue "ruling" like a dictator. There are no other choices for his actions.

80 posted on 02/18/2010 4:23:51 PM PST by newfreep (Palin/DeMint 2012 - Bolton: Secy of State)
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To: NavyCanDo

The flirtation with 3rd party is one knock against Beck, but it is up to the GOP to win votes, not just be the lesser of two evils. I am a firm believer in working within the party to fix it, but it is not an obligation to vote for the GOP just because the Dems are worse. They need to present a better path. Unfortunately, the party leadership lost that between 2003 and 2006. The party seems to be responding well. Beck is not a straight ticket Republican, and clearly is fed up on number of issues. If he went balls-out for a third party, my opinion would change, but he is just flirting with the concept, IMO.


81 posted on 02/18/2010 4:24:28 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: enviros_kill

Anyone who believes that Americans conspired to cause 9/11 is a traitor or a fool, or both. I worked in one of those buildings and people I knew died there. Crawl back into your hole with the other haters and anti-Semitic Paulistas. There is no place for you here.


82 posted on 02/18/2010 4:25:51 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: sloop

When people haven’t learned lessons from the past they tend to repeat them.

A “threat” is about the silliest thing I’ve every heard.


83 posted on 02/18/2010 4:25:51 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks ("YOU LIE! (09/09/09)" "NOT TRUE! (1/27/10)")
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To: Engineer_Soldier

Really, does he tell everyone to join the GOP?


84 posted on 02/18/2010 4:26:33 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

I agree completely. We are in a very confusing period.
All the big names on Talk Radio are trying to extend and impose their brand on this growing new constituency, and find a place for themselves in it. Beck has planned, I think I heard him say today or yesterday, literally dozens of ‘events’ starting this Spring, all across the country, centering on a presentation of how vital
faith was to the Founding Fathers, and how profoundly inextricable it is to our tattered original Documents, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.It’s an area that’s important to him, and one he wants to emphasize just for that reason.

This is fine with me. Beck is not running for office, and doesn’t want to, any more than Joe the Plumber does, if his recent interview with Sean Hannity is any indication.
The real problem with ANY AND ALL “Conservative Media Authority Figures” is how they might turn their acolytes into mind-numbed followers, and how little that will help the ongoing project of taking back America from these pretenders currently in the White House. Right now, EVERYONE is vying for the right to corral, influence, exploit and dominate this constituency, just as the RNC is doing with “fifty leaders of the Tea Party Movement”. I wonder just who anointed these guys as Leaders? It sounds like the usual game of “I’ll grant credibility to you if you grant credibility to me” -—they thereby create the impression that they’re collectively “the only game in town”. Of course the REAL work remains to be done, by us drones in our local communities-——I just KNEW this would happen, and I totally steer clear of it, just as I was warning for 3 or 4 months now, my own Tea Party group what lay ahead with the RNC and all the ‘entrepreneurs’ who are there to cash in, one way or another, on the big, and sometimes very gullible new population.
And oh, btw, in that Joe the Plumber interview, Joe really had to be bluntly honest about how he feels he was used by McCain, even though he knew it all along, and couldn’t do much of anything about it. Pssssst, Joe! It’s not just you!
He also used Sarah Palin, who ALSO probably figured it out at some point, too.


85 posted on 02/18/2010 4:26:36 PM PST by supremedoctrine (Time is the school in which we learn that time is the fire in which we burn.)
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To: Eddie01
You’re a dancing troll who should get tripped in the isle and punched in your adolescent face.

after what you said, its ironic that you call someone adolescent

86 posted on 02/18/2010 4:27:46 PM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: jenk
Personally, I watch Glenn Beck every day (TVO'd). I don't see him so much as a leader as I do a teacher. I have read more about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers in the past year than in the previous ten ...primarily motivated by watching Beck.

I sometimes wish he were more "uplifting," but I'm reminded that the watchman on the wall actually has a pretty thankless job, which I think is his emerging role.

87 posted on 02/18/2010 4:28:41 PM PST by The Citizen Soldier (At the first of the year I feared for my grandkids... then it was my kids... now it's me.)
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To: Eddie01
you seem upset
89 posted on 02/18/2010 4:30:06 PM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: paulycy

What is that supposed to mean?


90 posted on 02/18/2010 4:31:13 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: jenk

Bingo! You have hit the nail on the head with Glenn Beck.


91 posted on 02/18/2010 4:31:40 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ("We must have pie. Stress cannot exist in the presence of pie." David Mamet)
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To: MaxMax
I think that Beck's basically a somewhat goofy guy who come late to an understanding of what many us have held for years. Taht is, he's gotten a handle on just who the enemies of freedom and humanity really are and it's scaring the bejeezus out of him. Beck's someone like the class clown who now finds himself on the battlefield and having to shoulder a soldier's load. It's not what he wants, but he's gotten himself together enough to step up and do what he believes is right. More people should ahve that courage.

Does this mean that he gets it right all the time? No.

Does this mean that he wants to assume the role of a leader - whatever that means? No. I don't see myself as a leader, either for that matter.

Does this mean that he's only in it for the money? No - Lord knows that he wouldn't be saying the things he does if money were the issue.

Beck's like the neighbor next door who sees your house is on fire. He's not a fireman, but he's doing his best to warn you to save yourself.

Sometimes you have great responsibilites thrust upon you. Beck's using his forum and his resources to expose not just who is trying to destroy our Republic and enslave us but also the pedigree of their ideas! If you don't understand that, then you don't really understand the pure, murderous, smirking EVIL that drives them.

That's what has him so concerned for the future of America. He can see the monsters behind their hopey-changey masks. Make no mistake, folks - for they are monsters. I've outlined their history and their ambitions in my Fourth of July 2009 Tea Party Speech

Beck's major fault is that he believes that a Ghandi-like resistance is the way to go. In that, he's wrong. When the monster mask slips, then we're going to have to do everything we can to put them down. Everything. For the price of not doing so means slaughter, atrocity and and enslavement on a scale that beggars the imagination.

92 posted on 02/18/2010 4:32:42 PM PST by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: Travis McGee

1/300,000,000 of a trillion dollars is a lot, thanks:)


93 posted on 02/18/2010 4:32:47 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: jenk

Do you disagree with the concepts he is discussing with the progressive movement? I think is about 95% dead on. There’s a few things I view differently about what he’s said, mostly the lumping of everyone from Bush to Teddy Roosevelt into the same category of ‘progressive’, but overall he has a strong point.

In addition, I believe the work he is doing is a large contributor to the rapid demise of the Democrat party. There is a reason the WH press team quickly added Beck to their talking points last summer...lumped in with Cheney, Rush and others. He is effective and he has changed the political environment — for the better.


94 posted on 02/18/2010 4:33:05 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: jenk

Then don’t watch, or discuss him at all.

That is all you can do in the marketplace of ideas and entertainment performances.


95 posted on 02/18/2010 4:33:16 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: jenk

Mostly ad hominem and blah—blah-—blah!

Beck is doing a pretty good job of portraying “everyman” and he makes one think and research. Yes, this is entertainment, but he has had some very scholarly and thoughtful guests, etc. He brings up many good points. I enjoy his show most of the time and can independently discern what is good and not so good....as I do with anything I see or read or hear anywhere. I suggest you do the same.


96 posted on 02/18/2010 4:33:41 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: 1raider1

Thanks very much. I googled right afterward and got the right sytax. I thought I remembered the tags but I should have checked.


97 posted on 02/18/2010 4:34:33 PM PST by Kinzua (Are you ready to admit that electing Obama was a mistake?)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

you should have read further


98 posted on 02/18/2010 4:34:50 PM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: jenk; All

Beck is a voice crying in the wilderness. He has almost singlehandedly exposed czars like Van Jones and the ACORN fraud videos, along with other radicals in the present administration, that have people thirsting for answers. There have been security incidents for him and his family.

He’s not always right. He doesn’t say he is. I contend he’s missed the boat entirely on the present office holder’s legitimate, Constitutional claim to the Presidency.

Beck is asking questions and raising issues like few others. I think O’Reilly is trying to shield him, but it is clear that the flak he takes is because he’s dead on the money. Now, he has very powerful friends...along with powerful enemies who would gladly do him in by whatever method that takes.

The stories he covers ask questions and encourage people to read the actual, founding documents of the United States. This task is crucial, as many, many have never been taught American ideals and precepts of government. Now that we know AGW is bunk science, the thought of bunk education and peer review at the highest and most intellectual levels is obvious; this is the 60s radicals last, best chance to destroy the country. The seepage of Marxist, anti-American drivel is in children’s textbooks and university research alike, in pure, hard science as well as in soft science, side-by-side.

The Depression-era folks now dying off, we have no one to tell the stories that so many never learned. Last year, children’s books put out prior to 1985 were declared illegal ‘for safety reasons.’ The WH called historians to a ‘dinner’ and discussion early on in 2009; our history is and has been rewritten. There is no one to lead because there is previous little light on the dark places Potomac water seeps into now. So, we have to comb through documents and references previously ridiculed or excoriated to find the pearls.

Beck’s best recent thought, IMHO, is that it will be up to American citizens to right the ship of state or rebuild it as the USS America if it sinks; we are all apprentice shipbuilders now.

I support him, not because he is right on everything, but because one candle cannot burn forever, but millions of candles outshine whatever darkness comes our way in these dangerous, shadowy times. It may well be that these lights will save America all over again, and conquer the land our pioneer forebears fought and died to establish. We are the last, best hope on earth. There is no where else to run. We must lead ourselves according to the lights and rights of the Republic.


99 posted on 02/18/2010 4:35:24 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Pinetop

Actually that was Dr. Gene Scott.


100 posted on 02/18/2010 4:35:43 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ("We must have pie. Stress cannot exist in the presence of pie." David Mamet)
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