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Killing Pace of Wolves Could Wipe Out Wildlife and End Hunting in the Northwest
The Great White Hunter ^ | 3/1/10 | Ryan Benson

Posted on 02/28/2010 11:21:15 PM PST by OneVike

When wolves were reintroduced into Idaho, Montana and Wyoming the agreement with the states, sportsmen, the Federal Government and the tree huggers was simple. 300 wolves. The prowolf people asked for 450 wolves with at least 150 and 15 breeding pairs in each state. This 50%margin, they reasoned was needed so the number wouldn’t fall below 300. It would take YEARS they argued, probably DECADES with a slow 5% population growth rate. The 450 would represent wolf repopulation recovery and then management would be returned to the states.

2010 Numbers

Idaho-850 + wolves

Montana-600 + wolves

Wyoming-300 + wolves

We are at 1200 wolves more than the 450 requested. Biologists agree that 1 wolf kills 20 elk each year. 2,000 wolves x 20 dead elk = 40,000 dead elk each year.

Tom Bergerud top wolf expert from British Columbia told the Idaho Department of Fish and Game the following:

“I predict that you´re going to have major impacts from wolves in this state,” (Idaho) he said. I predict a major elk decline.

He said that he saw wolves “repeatedly depress moose, caribou and elk populations while studying them throughout Canada and in some cases they wiped out local populations of caribou.”

“I’ve watched herd after herd (of caribou) go EXTINCT across Canada,” he said. The problem: wolves have no known predators to keep them in balance with the ecosystem..”

The Idaho Fish and Game predator expert disagreed with Tom Bergerud

“We really don’t fear wolves or other predators are going to drive any populations of big game animals to extinction,” says Steve Nadeau, who heads the Idaho Fish and Game Department’s wolf, bear and mountain lion management effort at Boise.

“They will cause some level of predation within those populations that may or may not affect the status of that population.”

The department and tribe are monitoring elk and wolf populations. If it’s determined wolves are having too severe an impact on elk, he says, new rules proposed by the Fish and Wildlife Service would allow some wolves to be removed. ……… Steve Nadeau

So who was right, the guy who had seen it all, or the guy who thought he knew it all?

Here is the bottom line, the Lolo herd had 9,729 elk before wolves were reintroduced, that number is now down to 1,473. Of that number cow elk, the producers of the next generation, are down from 3,832 to 705. Calves are down from 669 to just 144. You need 25 calves per 100 elk just to sustain a population. In the Lolo unit, the number is below 10 percent. Simple math Folks, looks like Tom was right and Steve was wrong. Wolves are just as good as killing big game as was predicted.

Here is the news article from 2010 on the Elk Populations in the once mighty Lolo Herd.

February 25th, 2010

By Eric Barker of the Tribune

Lolo Zone also could see fewer hunters after notching a large decline in elk numbers

…Depressed numbers of elk in the Lolo Zone could lead to fewer tags being sold there. Tags are already capped in the zone.

“We are seeing continued declines of elk numbers in the Lolo Zone,” Crenshaw said. “Data is indicating a 50 percent decline from 2006.”

The total number of elk counted during recently completed aerial surveys dropped from.........

(Excerpt) Read more about the wolf problem in the northwest at The Great White Hunter



TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; Government; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: 2010; hunting; treehuggers; wildlife; wolf; wolves
This is a real problem, not some blown out of proportion incident. Some of these killings have happened within hundreds of yards from small communities. I shared with you the story about the Wolves that killed the hunting dogs of my friend the Great White Hunters (Ryan Benson) friends in Montana, Wolves Kill Hunting Hounds now how long are we going to just read these stories and not take action?

At the rate these wolves are killing the wildlife, the government will be forced to ban all hunting in the Northwest within ten years. We at FreeRepublic know this is why the wolves were originally introduced, now it is time we strike back at the left.

This November is the last chance, in my opinion, to stop the left from completely destroying this country. If you hunt, or if you know someone who does hunt, please share this article with them. Ryan is one of only a handful of men trying to do what he can. It is time we wake America up, and stop the madness.
1 posted on 02/28/2010 11:21:15 PM PST by OneVike
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To: Alex Murphy; JesusBmyGod; Whenifhow; rom; Hanna548; DvdMom; leftyontheright; FrdmLvr; jblann1; ...
Out of control wolf population Ping!

The wolves are wiping out the hunting population in the Northwest. Read about it and see what you can do to help.

• Send FReep Mail to OneVike to get [ON] or [OFF] article and video Ping List •


2 posted on 02/28/2010 11:24:00 PM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike
Just another case of "Judge us by our intentions, not by their outcomes."
Still, thanks for the heads up. I could only imagine the screams of enviro-genocide if wolf tags were introduced in these states. Also, imagine the justifications that would spring up in the wake of a person's death.
3 posted on 02/28/2010 11:26:49 PM PST by StarfireIV (Atlas Punted)
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To: OneVike

I heard that there was a wolf pack killing of an elk in the confines of Bozeman, MT in the last week. Will have to check.


4 posted on 02/28/2010 11:31:35 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: OneVike

I knew wolves were going to be a problem when they first started talking about introducing them. And no they weren’t “reintroduced”. Not this breed at all, and not in many of the areas the wolves are now.

Didn’t realize it was this bad if the article is accurate.

They should be treated like coyote. No bag limit, year round open season.


5 posted on 02/28/2010 11:31:53 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: OneVike

http://forums.yellowstone.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5079&start=0


6 posted on 02/28/2010 11:42:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: OneVike

The SSS rule has been changed. Now it’s “gut-shoot’em and let them drag their entrails to the next county”.


7 posted on 02/28/2010 11:47:59 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: OneVike

But, but, I thought Sarah Palin had all the wolves shot from airplanes.

At least that’s what one of my “liberal democrap” friends told me that Sarah had done. That’s why he voted for Obammy.

I couldn’t convince him otherwise.


8 posted on 02/28/2010 11:50:33 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Paladin2

Thanks, I’ll forward them to the greAt white hunter, and my relatives in Bozeman. My grandfather and great grandfather were some of the homesteaders that settled Bozeman area. I still have cousins in Galletin Gateway Montana.


9 posted on 02/28/2010 11:55:55 PM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike

They forgot to count the number of wolves in Washington DC. They are known as the Congressional Wolves and they are wiping out our wallets at a fast pace.

November is the time when the fed-upon and fed-up population THIN THE HERD. All you need to join the hunt is a voter registration card. Don’t leave home without it.


10 posted on 02/28/2010 11:56:41 PM PST by ToTheMax
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To: OneVike
I see a correlation between the introduced wolves and the Religion of Peace.

The left would rather see the West die instead admit that their multiculturalism and moral relativism is a failure. Same goes with wildlife in the Northwest on the same principle.

11 posted on 03/01/2010 1:09:18 AM PST by deadrock (Liberty is a bitch that needs to be bedded on a mattress of cadavers.)
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To: DEADROCK

“The left would rather see the West die instead admit that their multiculturalism and moral relativism is a failure. Same goes with wildlife in the Northwest on the same principle. “

Your entirely too generous..

Their intent is to destroy our Western Heritage and Culture.. to turn our children into the same pieces of human waste as they are.. To turn Westerners into Prius driving, sniveling self-righteous, cowardly little snots in their own image.

W


12 posted on 03/01/2010 1:47:03 AM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: OneVike

I find it ironic that the impetus to the formation of the first white government in southern Oregon was to protect against wolf predation. These were called the “wolf meetings” and they eventually led to organization as a territory. Now they are letting them drfit back into their state.


13 posted on 03/01/2010 2:26:17 AM PST by marsh2
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To: OneVike

What I find frightening is, what will the wolves kill when there are no more elk?


14 posted on 03/01/2010 3:54:56 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer
What I find frightening is, what will the wolves kill when there are no more elk?

When wolves learn humans can no longer fight back with guns, and wolves are smart, humans will make easy prey. This lunacy will continue until some child of someone politically connected is eaten by wolves; then holly hell will break loose.

15 posted on 03/01/2010 4:43:08 AM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: OneVike

Oh, looky there—pictures of some of those funny lookin’, dark colored, feral “German shepherds.” Just remember, folks, that most times, there’s a whole lot of difference between a city slicker with a semi-auto pistol and a rancher with a six shooter. If you want to camp in the pretty mountains once in a while, consider helping to oppose strange protections of predators like wolves. The West is not a Disney movie.


16 posted on 03/01/2010 4:53:26 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: OneVike
"'I’ve watched herd after herd (of caribou) go EXTINCT across Canada,' he said. The problem: wolves have no known predators to keep them in balance with the ecosystem..'"

The Indians once controlled them, but the Range Germans of today are breeding and feeding them. ;-)


17 posted on 03/01/2010 4:57:07 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Venturer

They will start on the two legged elk. Otherwisw known as tourists, hikers, and campers that don’t include a smoke pole in their equipment.


18 posted on 03/01/2010 5:03:01 AM PST by sport
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To: garyhope
But, but, I thought Sarah Palin had all the wolves shot from airplanes.

And going into the dens and killing the pups.

That is what a conservative animal lover told me.

She voted Obama.

19 posted on 03/01/2010 5:04:42 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: StarfireIV
"I could only imagine the screams of enviro-genocide if wolf tags were introduced in these states."

...souvenirs for outgoing tourists. ;-)


20 posted on 03/01/2010 5:08:03 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: OneVike

IMHO one of the reasons wolves were introduced was exactly this outcome.

When elk, deer, sheep, etc. populations dive low enough hunting will be banned.

A plus for the environmentalist.

Remember the ‘corridor’ proposed that runs from Colo. up through the Canadian Rockies that was to ban humans?

A ‘corridor’ for biodiversity.
A playground for the biologists w/ no other humans.


21 posted on 03/01/2010 5:13:40 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: OneVike; SJackson; Diana in Wisconsin; glock rocks; SouthTexas; NormsRevenge; fish hawk; ...

Wildlife “management”gone mad...


22 posted on 03/01/2010 6:51:19 AM PST by tubebender
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To: OneVike; tubebender
The problem: wolves have no known predators to keep them in balance with the ecosystem..”

I know of one, us.

23 posted on 03/01/2010 8:16:30 AM PST by SouthTexas (Exterminate the rats!)
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To: tubebender; SJackson; Diana in Wisconsin; glock rocks; SouthTexas; NormsRevenge; fish hawk

I found this here at Hunt and Tell

This wolf was found just out of Edson , Alberta .. Edson is just east of where
many of our Yellowstone wolves came ( not sure what ‘found’ means.)

bigbadwolf

Hi… I live in Buck lake Alberta Canada…. 20 min from Drayton Valley where the big wolf was shot… I found more photos of it and its said to weighed 197 pounds… The hunters were said to been baiting bear and the wolf chased off a large bear… we had a malamute husky that was this big.. as big as this wolf… the tracks are from a wolf that been eating our cows 2 or 3 a week… I’m sure if we fed our husky a large calf every couple days he would of been larger than the wolf…

remember the camera angle can make things look bigger… like a hunter sitting behind a elk… makes the elk look bigger… believe it or not my brother who weighed 190 pounds grabbed my cousin who weighed 250 pounds and bench pressed him off the ceiling, he worked the service rigs… any man can easily lift a 200 pound wolf like these men are…

I’ve seen the wolfs twice that have been taking down the cows and they look large to me… wolf hunter are welcome… happy hunting

big wolf 1

big wolf tracks

24 posted on 03/01/2010 3:56:00 PM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike

Whaaaat?

That’s gotta be faked like ‘Pigzilla!’


25 posted on 03/01/2010 4:10:58 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: tubebender
Tubey! If I shoots me a wolf, can I send it to you to make me a nice hat? And a stole? And some mittens? Maybe some boots?

We have a coyote hat which is pretty cool. Husband shot that one. I like to put it on and chase the young Lab around once in a while; though now that she's come nose-to-nose with a REAL coyote and chased it off, she stands her ground against me, LOL! Good Girl!

26 posted on 03/01/2010 4:16:21 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It’s real. Becoming more typical every year of the wolves that can feed at will without being hunted. Soon, when they devastated the elk, deer, and others animals, we will be their prey. How would you like to be fishing on one of those great Oregon rivers one day and find yourself surrounded by about 15 of these puppies that are hungry.


27 posted on 03/01/2010 4:23:40 PM PST by OneVike
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I don’t think you want to send it to the Peoples Republic of Califoristan. Had I known you wanted a Fox Stole I would have sent you the Rabid one I shot a couple of months ago...


28 posted on 03/01/2010 4:29:26 PM PST by tubebender
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To: OneVike

Um...no thanks, LOL! :)


29 posted on 03/01/2010 4:31:06 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: tubebender

Knew a guy once who was an Army Sharpshooter and when he had a day off, he’d go huntin’.

He’d stop by my office on base with any number of things to show me; one day he had a gorgeous fox. I could not for the life of me find an entrance or an exit wound, so I teased him that it was roadkill.

He had shot the thing in one eye and out the other!

He was something else. And his last name was ‘Schacht.” LOL! (Silent ‘ch’ in his name.)


30 posted on 03/01/2010 4:34:42 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: Iowa Granny; Ladysmith; Diana in Wisconsin; JLO; sergeantdave; damncat; phantomworker; joesnuffy; ..
If you’d like to be on or off this Upper Midwest/outdoors/rural list please FR mail me. And ping me is you see articles of interest.

Note post 23. That's a very large animal.

31 posted on 03/01/2010 5:13:01 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: hollywood359

Ping!


32 posted on 03/01/2010 5:20:55 PM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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To: OneVike
At the rate these wolves are killing the wildlife, the government will be forced to ban all hunting in the Northwest within ten years. We at FreeRepublic know this is why the wolves were originally introduced, now it is time we strike back at the left.

Open season on liberals, no limit? 0.5+ /sarc

33 posted on 03/01/2010 5:32:10 PM PST by Clint Williams (America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: OneVike
How would you like to be fishing on one of those great Oregon rivers one day and find yourself surrounded by about 15 of these puppies that are hungry.

Hiking in the mountains, oh, about 30 years ago, one early morning I found myself surrounded by a mere dog-pack of 20+ household pets on the loose and that was, um, discomfort enough. (I finally befriended the pit-bull leader and never had trouble after that, but lesson was learned.)

34 posted on 03/01/2010 5:41:09 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: OneVike

Holy mole! You could make a sleeping bag out of that thing!!!


35 posted on 03/01/2010 8:47:48 PM PST by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run. . . -Hank Jr.)
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To: OneVike

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 03/02/2010 9:30:07 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: george76
Wolf repopulation sit rep....


37 posted on 03/02/2010 9:35:09 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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