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Anti-War Hiroshima A-Bomb Book Caught With Multiple Fictions
Publius Forum ^ | 03/02/10 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 03/02/2010 10:03:59 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus

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To: SJSAMPLE
I thought the first German bombing of London was a complete mistake?

You mean like the bombings of Warsaw and Rotterdam were 'mistakes'?

51 posted on 03/03/2010 7:23:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mobile Vulgus
No, this is 'just war':

• A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.

• A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate.

• A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient--see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury.

• A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.

• The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.

• The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered.

• The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.

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A strong proponent, the not lamented and now late Howard Zinn, re-writer of American history. Sound high and mighty fine; look at the last paragraph, no frag weapons. Why, because they are indiscriminate. This is pointy headed academics or worse.

52 posted on 03/03/2010 7:30:16 AM PST by xone
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
First time I've heard that although I understand that Hitler had a grudging respect for the British.

In the beginning, yes. He thought the British would be more scared of the Bolsheviks, and would be willing to make a deal with Hitler, where Hitler would have his colonies in the East, if it eradicated the Soviet threat, and he would stake no claims on any British colonies. Basically, England and Germany would rule the world together. Of course when he realized that British would not have it, that respect turned to anger. Ribbentrop, especially wound up being the biggest British hater of all, when earlier he was a great admirer.

53 posted on 03/03/2010 7:55:41 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: xone

OK, so are you saying our participation in WWII was not just?


54 posted on 03/03/2010 10:12:28 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: xone

“Just War theory” has been around since Augustine, at the latest. It’s hardly a plot hatched by the Left.


55 posted on 03/03/2010 10:23:56 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Of course not, neither are the bomber crews guilty of murder.


56 posted on 03/03/2010 5:01:57 PM PST by xone
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To: Arthur McGowan
Just War theory” has been around since Augustine, at the latest. It’s hardly a plot hatched by the Left.

It has been co-opted by the left, look at the upgrades to it. Lot of fragmentation weapons in Augustine's era? In the thread I referenced, the additional reading list is populated by lefties. Historical revisionism has always been a tool of the left. Sorry you fell for it and felt the need to blacken the names of men called to fight in the toughest life or death struggle in the 20th century. Well done.

57 posted on 03/03/2010 5:07:28 PM PST by xone
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To: Arthur McGowan
BTW: It was mass murder. So were Tokyo, Dresden, etc., etc. It was terror-bombing, not military bombing.

No, it wasn't.

Tokyo, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all bombings of military targets as per international law at the time.

Anyone who tells you differently is peddling a lie.

58 posted on 03/03/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Murder is always wrong, no matter how desirable some of its effects are.

Murder is always wrong, by defintion. However, you have not proven that the aerial bombings that we are discussing constitute murder.

On a related point, I'd argue on the basis of Scripture that telling a malicious lie is always wrong. Wouldn't you agree?

59 posted on 03/03/2010 5:14:35 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
the author made half of it up out of his butt

HALF

Yea the first half and the second half! ;-0

60 posted on 03/03/2010 5:20:10 PM PST by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers will not support.)
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To: xone

The Second Vatican Council denounced the bombing of “entire cities” as “criminal.”

Not a bunch of lefty revisionists.


61 posted on 03/03/2010 6:26:28 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: dfwgator

No.
An actual mistake.


62 posted on 03/04/2010 6:49:50 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Arthur McGowan
The Second Vatican Council denounced the bombing of “entire cities” as “criminal.” Not a bunch of lefty revisionists.

So an ex post facto condemnation of murder? Nice to have the Vatican chime in after the allies saved its ass. Still doesn't explain the co-opting by the left on the use of indiscriminate weapons in war. The majority of weapons are. I guess the Vatican didn't know that. I wonder if they condemned the earlier Pope's use of artillery on 'entire cities' as criminal? At least it means the Vatican will be unlikely to field an air force.

63 posted on 03/04/2010 7:13:47 AM PST by xone
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To: Mobile Vulgus; OldDeckHand

Tonight (1am EDT) for first hour, the author of the book will be on Coast to Coast AM. http://streamingradioguide.com/radio-show.php?show=667


64 posted on 03/06/2010 6:44:19 PM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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