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The 19th Amendment, Was it the Beginning of the End for America?
The Way One Vike Sees it ^ | 3/2/10 | OV

Posted on 03/02/2010 10:22:59 PM PST by Tina Grazier



From the day the founding Fathers risked their liberty and life by signing the Declaration of Independence, there has been those who have wanted to sink this great ship called the United States of America. Well 143 years later the good ship America took a torpedo hit that at the time seemed like just another glancing blow. What many still consider the greatest step forward in equality for the sexes, was more then just a glancing blow however. It was in fact a deadly strike that entered the very heart of the ship and has been smoldering since. The damage caused by the 19th amendment was not noticeable at first, but after 90 years we can now see how complete the destruction was.

Thanks to the 19th amendment, we now have the same kind of Marxists running America that Ronald Reagan defeated from the Soviet Union. However the weapon of destruction used was not a nuclear warhead, no it was an emotional outburst that melted the brains of logic. On August 18, 2010 it will have been 90 years since the 19th amendment was ratified and became the law of the land. In those 90 years, America has gone from a God fearing Christian nation to a sadistic society that would make the founding fathers turn over in their graves. In my opinion, the icing on the cake was the day we witnessed Barack Obama getting elected President. So now we are confronted with the situation that almost every important issue facing the country comes down to an argument between an emotional feeling and a logical thought.

I use the contrasting difference between logic vs emotion because in our society today we are constantly confronted with situations that pit logic against emotions. I readily admit that throughout history mankind has struggled with properly defining the line separating logic and emotion when it comes to certain aspects of life. However, we now live in a society that is almost completely ruled by emotion. Case in point would be the parents in America that are routinely brought up on child abuse charges for spanking their children. When you raise a child it is logical and normal to slap their hands or spank their behind when they do bad things or act unruly in public. It is illogical and out of control emotions that lead to laws where such parental responsibility and Biblical teachings are now considered criminal acts of child abuse. It's my opinion that the blame for such emotionally out of control laws are a direct result of women getting the right to vote.

Now, I am not advocating that women should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. Nor do I think that the 19th amendment should be overturned. I bring this up more as a logical analysis of what I consider to be the number one cause of our current troubles in America today. Besides, even if I were to advocate the repealing of the 19th amendment, it would be easier to hold back the waters of the Nile. I also admit that there are many women who think more rational and logical then some men do, just compare Barney Frank to Ann Coulter. Consider for a moment, one of the biggest political blunders that led to our current economic malaise. You must conclude that it is simply illogical to......

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 19a; elections; feminization; voting; womensrights
This is a long read, but it's a good read. Regardless of which side you come down on you are bound to have an opinion.

Being a woman, I have always said that this country screwed up when it gave us the right to vote because way too many of my female friends continually vote with their hearts and not their heads. Like Ann Coulter I would gladly give up my right to vote if we could take it away from the rest of the women of America. Then I don't think we would ever see another Democrat elected to congress, let alone the White House.

1 posted on 03/02/2010 10:22:59 PM PST by Tina Grazier
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To: Tina Grazier

That was it. Nixon didn’t help either. Women had a voice to share with their husbands. Women many times were the voice of reason when tensions in the political world came to a head. All of that was removed. We are left with the aftermath.


2 posted on 03/02/2010 10:27:52 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Tina Grazier

IMO the 17th amendment was the beginning of the end.


3 posted on 03/02/2010 10:28:09 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Tina Grazier

I’d argue the Republic died the day the 17th Amendment was enacted; no longer did the States have a direct say in the Nation’s capital (the People being represented by the Representatives, the Government by the Executive).


4 posted on 03/02/2010 10:29:23 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Tina Grazier

Shoulda never let ‘em vote.


5 posted on 03/02/2010 10:30:31 PM PST by MistrX
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To: Tina Grazier

The only reason 90% of leftist women are in Congress or this administration is the 19trh. Pelosi, Boxer, H.R.H. Clinton, that yaping head of pubic hair from Florida, the list goes on...


6 posted on 03/02/2010 10:35:44 PM PST by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: Tina Grazier

I appreciate your honesty.

I’m divided on the issue. On the one hand, the order of creation and the consistency of the Bible calls for men to be the leaders. But on the other hand, if a nation that once derived its freedom based on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then walks away from that very principle: the 19th Amendment would not have mattered.

In either case, it certainly doesn’t undermine the importance that women have for the health of society, and the church for that matter.


7 posted on 03/02/2010 10:37:07 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Tina Grazier

You could get rid of the First Amendment easier than you could the 19th.


8 posted on 03/02/2010 10:38:12 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Tina Grazier

I always wanted to post something like this, but even I didn’t have the guts. Darn good post and something to think about.

parsy, who is scared of women


9 posted on 03/02/2010 10:42:10 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: trumandogz

Ain’t that the truth....LOL


10 posted on 03/02/2010 10:42:48 PM PST by Tina Grazier
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To: Tina Grazier; neverdem; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Liz; SunkenCiv
Too good to pass up......ping

Sir Thomas Moore sought his wife's advice regularly.
11 posted on 03/02/2010 10:43:04 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Salvavida

It created a major division that was never needed in the first place. It was Satan’s little start. Kill the family.


12 posted on 03/02/2010 10:43:33 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Tina Grazier
I actually made the argument a while back to a lady friend of mine that giving women the vote actually gave them a disproportionate amount of power, because when men were only voting, women still had a lot of influence over their men and therefore were influencing votes. The proof, in my opinion, is the fact that the 19th passed in the first place. Giving them the vote meant they got a vote AND influence over the votes of weaker-minded men.

So my lady friend doesn't say anything about it at the time, but doesn't talk to me for a good two weeks, after which she calls me up out of the blue and says "Did you really mean that?" I said "Mean what?" "That women shouldn't vote." Turns out she was stomping mad about that to the point of wanting to cry and end our friendship. After she told me that, I said, "So you've been mad about a silly conversation we had two weeks ago? Well, there's another reason women shouldn't vote."

So two weeks go by...
13 posted on 03/02/2010 10:44:47 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Tina Grazier
The beginning of the end was the 16th amendment (Income Tax). With no limit on what the Federal Government could take from your labors, the rest of the Constitution was essentially made meaningless. The only real surprise is that the contradiction in values it entailed has taken so long to bring us to this sad point. The Constitution is also unlimited in the amount of debt it can accumulate. That was a mistake from day one but unavoidable due to the costs of the Revolution.

By the way I think a good cure to the problem of liberal women voting would have been to restrict the vote solely to veterans.

14 posted on 03/02/2010 10:45:37 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: parsifal

I understand, but it’s not my article. I just posted it. Another freeper named OneVike wrote it. Being a woman I am not limited by the emasculation you men feel.


15 posted on 03/02/2010 10:50:46 PM PST by Tina Grazier
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To: fr_freak

That is hilarious! I don’t doubt it’s true, but thanks for the laugh.


16 posted on 03/02/2010 10:53:26 PM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: LukeL
IMO the 17th amendment was the beginning of the end.

Agreed. And of course the amendment immediately before it.

17 posted on 03/02/2010 10:56:58 PM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Tina Grazier

It’s not emasculation honey. The reason there is no safety anymore is the government has felt the need to take it over. That is due to the destruction of the family head. It is quite easy to understand. It will not correct now.


18 posted on 03/02/2010 10:57:45 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Tina Grazier
Seventeenth Amendment has done much more damage than women's suffrage.
19 posted on 03/02/2010 11:10:01 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Tina Grazier

You are so lucky. My ex-wife used to keep mine in her purse. I got them back in the divorce. Now, I’m scared to use them.

parsy, who loves his guitar instead


20 posted on 03/02/2010 11:10:21 PM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: muleskinner

It not the 19th A- It’s the feminist movement dressed up as as radical leftists from Jane Fonda to the Barbara Boxers, Feinstein, and that other bitch Barbara Mikulsi and the Maxine Waters who have ruined this great nation.


21 posted on 03/02/2010 11:11:33 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Tina Grazier

Sounds like an after action report. Lot of good it does now.


22 posted on 03/02/2010 11:11:59 PM PST by JoSixChip (It's time to embrace the madness! The sooner we default the sooner we can reorganize.)
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To: Tina Grazier; All
No, it was the 16th, 17th, and the infiltration of the Universities, and Hollywood(and news media) by the communists, Marxists, and progressives that have doomed our country.

The current legislature is composed by a majority of men, and always has been. Congress(mostly males) has passed the laws that are bringing us down, and a male president has signed everyone of the bills into law.

Anyone old enough to remember Hubert Humphrey? Remember seeing him cry when he lost the election? He was a male ya know.

Without the 19th amendment, president Palin would not even be possible. Seems like a lot of men on this forum are counting on her to help save the Union, just like Thatcher helped pull England up into better times.

Speaking of Thatcher, it is well known that she was the one to give GHW Bush a backbone, when she told him “don't go all wobbly” when addressing the problem of Saddam Hussein.

This idea about women causing the problems today is a crock of rot. If you just have to blame someone or thing instead of serious analysis, blame Satan - that at least would be more accurate.

23 posted on 03/02/2010 11:12:29 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Tina Grazier

I’ve said for 15 years that we have the kind of socialism we have because women have the vote. Women generally value security while men generally value freedom. Women generally favor socialistic policies - especially if those women are single or, worse, single mothers.

And in a nation where women are incented to dump their husbands to the point that over 70% of divorces list the wife as the plaintiff, it’s pretty obvious what is happening in this nation.

Not that we should or shouldn’t give women the vote, but we are reaping what it will.


24 posted on 03/02/2010 11:13:57 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: greeneyes

I blame Satan.


25 posted on 03/02/2010 11:19:27 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Hoodat
Agreed. And of course the amendment immediately before it.

Well, yes - even more so than the 17th.

26 posted on 03/02/2010 11:21:25 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: BIGLOOK

It certainly helped to make the “mommy” party.


27 posted on 03/02/2010 11:21:44 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Tina Grazier

Bull oney.

I agree with Benjamin Franklin...
“When the PEOPLE find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”


28 posted on 03/02/2010 11:42:02 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Tina Grazier

yes


29 posted on 03/02/2010 11:46:31 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: eyedigress

Yes, Satan is the root of all evil.


30 posted on 03/02/2010 11:55:13 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Tina Grazier

I think only landowners (male and female) should have the right to vote — and I do mean owners of land. Owners of condo and coop units need not apply; they’re as unworthy of the vote as renters.

Actually, make that landowners who also own cars/trucks.

Wait, make that landowners who also own cars/trucks and have a minimum investment portfolio of $500,000.

Plus: Voting is mandatory for those who qualify. Miss even one local board of education election or off-year primary and you’re out.


31 posted on 03/03/2010 12:02:42 AM PST by kittykat77
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To: LukeL
IMO the 17th amendment was the beginning of the end.

I'll see your 17th and raise you one to the 16th as the beginning of the end.

32 posted on 03/03/2010 12:32:32 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: kittykat77

That’s what Ancient Rome had. You had to own land to not only vote, but also owning land would mean you would serve in the legions if you are well and able. The legions were made up of mainly landowners.


33 posted on 03/03/2010 12:37:55 AM PST by jerry557
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To: Tina Grazier
Funny my own mother said it was a mistake to let women vote. I was very surprised when she said that. When I asked why, she said that women were no good at war or politics. Men have better instincts in that department. That men should build the cities, and run the world in general, and that the strongest place for the woman is in the home, and that duty was in so many ways more important anyhow. She also said that women have simply become more like men by being in the workplace competing with men.

I thought "wow"...

34 posted on 03/03/2010 12:46:07 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Tina Grazier

I just can’t understand how this topic is always dealt with a serious face. Women can have the 2nd amendment, but not the 19th? I just don’t get it. It sounds like a disparity on levels of trust.


35 posted on 03/03/2010 2:05:03 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: higgmeister

Ultimately the 17th made the 19th possible.


36 posted on 03/03/2010 4:17:57 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Steelfish

They have been able to ruin it because they got their amendment and the vote.


37 posted on 03/03/2010 4:18:59 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Tina Grazier

16th, 17th, 19th, and establishment of the Fed have been instrumental in America’s downfall...


38 posted on 03/03/2010 4:33:27 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Tina Grazier
In those 90 years, America has gone from a God fearing Christian nation to a sadistic society that would make the founding fathers turn over in their graves.

That line is a keeper...

39 posted on 03/03/2010 4:36:03 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Tina Grazier; JillValentine; Askel5
Nor do I think that the 19th amendment should be overturned.

That's good. If the woman's vote were taken away, there would no doubt be calls for women to stick to waitressing, the secretarial pool, nursing, etc.; calls for them to stay at home; calls to forbid them from inheriting property, etc. A similarly biased situation would result in the opposite direction, were men to be stripped of the vote, I'm sure. Cynic that I am, I believe that's just the way we are.

40 posted on 03/05/2010 10:47:17 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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To: Nateman

Actually, the 16th merely allowed the Feds to tax income from any source. Compensation (wages, salaries, etc.) could be taxed prior to the 16th.


41 posted on 03/05/2010 10:51:31 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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To: RobRoy
Women generally value security while men generally value freedom.

If women really value security over freedom, they should arm themselves. Then perhaps they'll realize that, with their guns, freedom is not a bad thing, and they'll vote accordingly.

Second Amendment Sisters

42 posted on 03/05/2010 10:55:13 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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To: RobRoy
And in a nation where women are incented to dump their husbands to the point that over 70% of divorces list the wife as the plaintiff, it’s pretty obvious what is happening in this nation.

Wouldn't a better solution be to repeal no-fault divorce and make adultery a felony in all states?

43 posted on 03/05/2010 10:57:32 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I am Ellie Light.)
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