Posted on 03/04/2010 9:15:34 AM PST by MarianoApologeticus
“Science seeks to explain the natural world through observation and experimentation. A precept of the scientific method is that supernatural explanations are beyond the scope of science, and should not be considered. Period.”
The same was true of the flat earth, airplanes, and most other currently accepted theories.
What if you’re loaded for Jesus and Thor pops out?
Semantic gymnastics.
That would prove that the atheists are wrong.
>> See post 28.
Huh?
Post 28 is not germane to my questions/ assertions — and was not even written by you. See post 36 again.
SnakeDoc
'Cause you sure aren't making any valid points here today.
You need to spend some time studying consciousness and understanding how it works. My perception and awareness is slightly different than most people. Soul growth is a process and is real. The attributes available to the individual are different at each level, just as they are as a child goes from kindergarden through college.
Science does not seek proof; science seeks likelihoods. And when discussing the supernatural, logic based arguments fail.
You are correct. But it may also prove that Christians are wrong.
Oops - post 30.
Not really. An atheist does not believe in any divine/supernatural force. Life is a happy accident.
As a Christian, I would (probably) be considered a heretic/unbeliever by a pantheist, but not an atheist. Muslims are wrong (from my viewpoint) in worshipping Allah & revering Mohammed, but they are not "atheistic" by definition.
The point is that the worldview of atheists is based on faith. Their central belief is that no gods exist. To prove this, would be to prove a negative, and they cannot do that. Thus, atheism is a faith-based worldview.
It's a simple and obvious statement of fact. The fact that you cannot bring yourself to utter it doesn't make it less true.
>> Science does not seek proof; science seeks likelihoods.
Then why demand proof from Christians? Why state the following (as you did in post 35) ...
“Theists make the assertion [...] therefore it is incumbent on them to prove their assertion.”
It seems to me that you imply from this statement that any definitive assertion demands proof. Why does the atheist assertion that “there is no God” not require any proof whatsoever? Why must Christianity be based on scientific proof while athiesm need only establish a “likelihood”.
In my estimation of the evidence before us, the claims of Christianity carry a greater likelihood of truth than do the claims of atheists. If “likelihood” is all you’re looking for ... why is this assertion not acceptable?
It always amuses me to watch atheists justify completely different standards of proof for athiests and everyone else.
>> And when discussing the supernatural, logic based arguments fail.
Thus explains the illogic of your arguments, I suppose.
SnakeDoc
“Science does not seek proof; science seeks likelihoods. And when discussing the supernatural, logic based arguments fail.”
Only when a person’s logic is limited. A miracle is merely science that we do not understand currently. Study, seek for truth, expand your knowledge with an open mind and you will realize new things.
>> If natural explanations can be had, why resort to supernatural?
I thought were were looking for truth. If supernatural explanations are true and correct, then they are preferable to natural explanations that are not.
If your inquiry has presupposed that the supernatural is impossible, then your predispositions may have distorted your results.
SnakeDoc
I did not say the supernatural is not possible, I said is was beyond the realm of science.
John Wayne: “Don’t apologize. It is a sign of weakness..” lol
The religion of Atheism stands in opposition to other religions, and considers itself to be intellectually superior. You don’t have to reissue your Statement of Faith. I understand where you’re coming from.
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