Skip to comments.Obama - Maybe a Citizen of the United States But Not a Natural Born Citizen
Posted on 03/05/2010 4:25:45 AM PST by Spaulding
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Media Matters/Soros - hiring internet trolls
They’re .. H E E E R E!
Reducing unemployment one troll at a time.
"I believe that the troll effort is now to see how much Freepers know. Trolls know they won't change anyone's mind. So it's fishing and disruption for them."
It's clear that there has never been any doubt about the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" by past Supreme Courts. If the words of Article II and these Courts throughout history are not definitive, then what is??? Precedence is precedence -- unless, I guess, one is dealing with lawless prefabricators.
I saw we continue topublish a list of these disruoors, even thoughthe mmods keep deleting them.The mods are on the side of the disruoptrs. .Jim is gong to lose this site which is the plan of the mods and these disruptors. Someone has Jim over a barrel. The feds? Someone in Jim’s family who is dedicated to Obama?
That wouldn't take long.
Sorry, mouth full of doughnut. Disruptor. luch break at work, my apologies.
Too many people feeding the trolls on other threads. *sigh*
Aaaaahhhh...but they still aren’t able to crack our *secret code*. Like when I say, “How’re ya doin’ today?” Only you and maybe a few others actually KNOW what that means.
Or, we can just skip over their posts and let them disrupt each other.
“I believe that the troll effort is now to see how much Freepers know. Trolls know they won’t change anyone’s mind. So it’s fishing and disruption for them.”
ABSOLUTELY!! Parsley’s posts are a perfect example of this. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad that all of the relevant things are hidden from the peering eyes of the trolls that haunt the BC threads. They NEED to know what we know, they won’t find that info here, not on the forum. They will be baited because WE want to know what they want to know.
In the translations, yes. But the early translation was pretty bad. The French used was "Les Naturels, ou indigenes" which translated means "The natural ones, or natives. The full sentence in French, absent the accent marks, is:
"Les naturels, ou indigenes, sont ceux qui sont nes dans le pays, de parents citoyens."
It doesn't say there is any difference either.
Not really. It was not about Natural Born Citizenship. Only citizenship.
From the majority opinion of Justice Grey, the question to be resolved:
It is conceded that, if he is a citizen of the United States, the acts of Congress, known as the Chinese Exclusion Acts, prohibiting persons of the Chinese race, and especially Chinese laborers, from coming into the United States, do not and cannot apply to him. The question presented by the record is whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution,
Nothing there about "natural born citizen".
Then the conclusion:
The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative.
Nothing there about "natural born citizen" either.
And in fact in the quote from Binny a distiction between a child of an alien born in the country and the natural born child of a citizen is made. Plus, and I just noticed this, so thank you for pointing me at "WKA" again.
During the debates in the Senate in January and February, 1866, upon the Civil Rights Bill, Mr. Trumbull, the chairman of the committee which reported the bill, moved to amend the first sentence thereof so as to read,
All persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States, without distinction of color.
Mr. Cowan, of Pennsylvania, asked, "Whether it will not have the effect of naturalizing the children of Chinese and Gypsies born in this country?" Mr. Trumbull answered, "Undoubtedly," and asked, "is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen?" Mr. Cowan replied, "The children of German parents are citizens; but Germans are not Chinese." Mr. Trumbull rejoined: "The law makes no such distinction, and the child of an Asiatic is just as much a citizen as the child of a European." Mr. Reverdy Johnson suggested that the words, "without distinction of color," should be omitted as unnecessary, ...
Thus persons born of alien parents were spoken of as being "naturalized" by birth in the US, not being "natural born" by virtue of such birth. At least in 1866.
I believe that the troll effort is now to see how much Freepers know. Trolls know they wont change anyones mind. So its fishing and disruption for them.
ABSOLUTELY!! Parsleys posts are a perfect example of this. I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad that all of the relevant things are hidden from the peering eyes of the trolls that haunt the BC threads. They NEED to know what we know, they wont find that info here, not on the forum. They will be baited because WE want to know what they want to know.”
Aside from the text book paranoia on display, please accept my thanks. The stuff you’re willing to put out in public is God awful enough. I don’t think any of us what to peer into something worse than that.
Thanks! I needed a good laugh! They have wrapped the Birther Grotto Of True Evidence in aluminum foil, but they messed up and put it on dull side in-shiny side out. As a result, I was able to get a Mental Ray Projected Copy of all the information.
I would correct all this legal mis-information but they wouldn’t believe it anyway. I blame all this craziness on Obama. If he had freed the long form a year and a half ago, these poor people wouldn’t be wandering around with copies of Vattel held close to their hearts.
But as long as he continues to benefit from them, he will sit back on his selfish rear end and let them run around in circles.
parsy, who blames Obama for the Birther Movement
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