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New Palin “scandal”: She supports Canadian socialized medicine or something
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Posted on 03/08/2010 4:06:19 PM PST by big black dog

Let’s see how well this one follows the Palin “scandal” template. Step one: Some provocative yet murky detail emerges about something she said or did. In this case, that’d be her admission that as a kid her family once crossed the border to seek medical care for her brother in Canada. Step two: The media assumes the worst and beams out the shocking allegations. Can it be true? America’s conservative champion bypassing the 45-minute trip to Anchorage so that her brother could indulge in some freebie socialized medicine 15 hours away?

Step three: The truth. First, the full quote from her speech:

“My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse (180km away. see map). Believe it or not – this was in the ‘60s – we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn’t that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada.”

And then the inconvenient part:

Little did these bloggers know that the source from which they were quoting either deliberately or unintentionally left off the fact that Palin clearly said that the story emanated from when her family lived in Skagway. Skagway is pretty close to Whitehorse [Canada]…

According to the summary of Canada’s health care system by Health Canada, it was only until 1972 that Yukon “create[d] medical insurance plans with federal cost sharing.”

So the day-long Yukon trek to feed from the socialist trough turns out to be a short drive to a nearby hospital where they paid for the treatment. Given her age at the time, why this would constitute a scandal even if her parents had gone there for free care is beyond me, but per our template, “too good to check” is the guiding principle in all things Sarahcuda.

But wait. An emerging scandal from the non-scandal?

Palin has also told an alternate version of the story that had her family traveling south by ferry to Juneau from Skagway for treatment of her brother’s burned foot, rather than to Canada, according to a 2007 report posted by the Skagway News.

Palin caught lying red-handed? Or Palin maybe having had her memory refreshed about her brother’s hospitalization in the course of talking to her parents while writing her book? We’re on the cusp of step two!


TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: garbage; hotairisromney; palin; romneyownsallahpundi; romneyownshotair; romneyownssalemradio

1 posted on 03/08/2010 4:06:20 PM PST by big black dog
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To: big black dog

So the Yukon didn’t get government care until ‘72??


2 posted on 03/08/2010 4:08:06 PM PST by GeronL (I Own Me (yep, boiled down to 6 letters))
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To: big black dog

I don’t have a problem with them going to Canada for medical care in the 60s. It was little different than going to a doctor in America at that time.


3 posted on 03/08/2010 4:08:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin!)
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To: big black dog
Hmm, going over to Canada for emergency treatment.

That's something you should risk these days. They might well have cut off care for everybody due to provincial budget problems.

4 posted on 03/08/2010 4:09:10 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: big black dog

OMG, her family used the private canadain helth care system in the 60’s!!!!

Time to light the fire and burn her at the stake!!!

/sarc


5 posted on 03/08/2010 4:09:28 PM PST by GraceG
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To: big black dog
Hmm, going over to Canada for emergency treatment.

That's something you should NOT risk these days. They might well have cut off care for everybody due to provincial budget problems.

6 posted on 03/08/2010 4:09:38 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: big black dog

Boy, she really knows how to tweak the left. Even when she’s not trying.


7 posted on 03/08/2010 4:12:03 PM PST by WHBates
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To: big black dog
Oh good grief. This story again? You guys don't give up.

This was the 1960s and she was just a kid. And here is a Newsflash for you - if you live in rural country along the border with Canada and the nearest emergency room or Doctor is on the other side of the border, where do you think you would go? More so back in the 1960s the time period she spoke about. It happens even on our Mexican border. It's NOT an affirmation that their Health Care is better than ours.

8 posted on 03/08/2010 4:14:17 PM PST by NavyCanDo (Palin 2012 Teleprompter Not Required)
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To: big black dog

A non-story sexed up to make Palin look bad, and as usual Freepers who should know better bite the bate. Will you ever learn?

Sarah Palin was born in 1964 and basic health care in Canada wasn’t socialized until the 1980’s.
The current system, as described under the Canada Health Act, came into existence in 1984.


9 posted on 03/08/2010 4:22:56 PM PST by NavyCanDo (Palin 2012 Teleprompter Not Required)
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To: big black dog

When it comes to stories about Palin, it’s Ready, Fire, Aim.


10 posted on 03/08/2010 4:37:10 PM PST by excopconservative
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To: big black dog

Every time these as$hats show themselves to be as stupid as a person can get, they go right out and show themselves to be even stupider.

Their stupidity no longer bothers me, but realizing how wrong I’ve been about just how stupid these morons can get.... is making me feel stupid. ;>)

Where these freaks not made of protein, their existence would be a complete waste.

At least the brainless worms are eventually eaten by brainless worms.


11 posted on 03/08/2010 4:38:00 PM PST by Gator113 (I do not want Obama IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED.)
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To: big black dog
This was from Skagway, not Wasilla. There is only one road out to anywhere in the US and you have to go through Canada to get there. It takes 2 hours to get to Whitehorse And an additional day and a half to get to Anchorage. The other choice is a day long ferry ride to Juneau.

Residents of southeast face the same choices today. The greenies won't let us build roads and even if we did the distances are vast.

12 posted on 03/08/2010 4:41:28 PM PST by Species8472 (The problem with political jokes is that they get elected)
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To: Gator113

People just dont understand life in Alaska. Honestly, I have been ignorant as well but very intrigued and marveled at the people and lives lead in Alaska.


13 posted on 03/08/2010 4:43:17 PM PST by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: Gator113

Okay dont yell at my response. wink. I was by no means defending these lunatics I was just stating my eyes opening of Alaska.


14 posted on 03/08/2010 4:44:34 PM PST by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: big black dog

OMG, flog her with a feather!


15 posted on 03/08/2010 4:45:02 PM PST by dforest
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To: GoCards

Gotcha.... ;>)


16 posted on 03/08/2010 4:50:17 PM PST by Gator113 (I do not want Obama IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED.)
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To: excopconservative

Nice, very nice.


17 posted on 03/08/2010 5:27:15 PM PST by dools007
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To: big black dog
This story is as bogus as the GW Bush Texas Air National Guard story ran by CBS's 60 Minutes Wednesday Sept. 8th, 2004.

Question #1. At five years old, how is a child to have control over where she went for medical care?

Question #2. Was Sarah Heath (her maiden name) herself given Canadian medical care?

Question #3. How do non-citizens get Canadian health care?

18 posted on 03/08/2010 5:34:10 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fascism.)
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To: NavyCanDo

I wish people would actually read the article before you reply. It’s making your point.


19 posted on 03/08/2010 5:34:44 PM PST by big black dog
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To: big black dog
AllahPundit loves to trash Sarah Palin (when he's not dreaming about a threesome with Mitt and Meghan McCain). It's interesting that he hasn't posted anything about Romney's bomb of an interview yesterday with Chris Wallace.
20 posted on 03/08/2010 5:47:43 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: jonrick46
My questions have been answered:

http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2010/03/its-only-947-am-in-west-coast-and-weve.html

Now let's move on. I knew there was something fishy about this story from the beginning.

21 posted on 03/08/2010 5:48:16 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fascism.)
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To: big black dog
“I wish people would actually read the article before you reply. It’s making your point.”

Yea, sorry. I realized after reading through the story that it was making the point that this is just another lame attempt and making Palin look bad.

22 posted on 03/08/2010 5:51:57 PM PST by NavyCanDo (Palin 2012 Teleprompter Not Required)
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To: big black dog

Sarah Palin heads north. Er, south. Er, to Calgary.

  By JASON MARKUSOFF
SUN, MAR 7 2010
  It was little surprise that Sarah Palin's first visit to our home and native land (of public health care and gay marriage) would be in Calgary. It also shouldn't be surprising that she was able to curry favour with the local crowd by speaking at length and with much authority about the Alaska government's process of securing TransCanada for the Alaska Pipeline Project.

What was fascinating about the ever-fascinating Sarah Palin's speech was another of her Canadian connections. One that didn't involve hockey.

“My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse (180km away. see map). Believe it or not – this was in the ‘60s – we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn’t that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada."

Given all the politician-turned pundit's warnings about the ills of expanding government role in U.S. health care (see: panels, death), this was, yep, pretty ironic-sounding. Now in fairness, she was born in Idaho and them moved to Alaska as an infant in 1964, two years before the Medical Care Act that established national medicare came to Canada. Several years after universal coverage came to acute hospital care like burns, mind you. But then, it's not exactly anybody's political choice where they receive medical attention when they're less than five years old, to say nothing of the political ideologies one doesn't really develop around that age.

23 posted on 03/08/2010 6:10:53 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: big black dog
Here's an article explaining the "big-nothing" ... LOL ...



It's Only 9:47 A.M. on the West Coast and We've Already Gotten Multiple Walk-Backs on Part of the Canadian Healthcare Story (Ben Smith Updates)

By Tommy Report

The following claims were made early this morning regarding Palin's comments in Calgary:

Palin, as a young child, lived in a remote community as near to Whitehorse as to any Alaska metropolis.

The nearest city in Canada, Whitehorse, is a 15 hour drive away. Anchorage is only 45 minutes away.

The closest Canadian city is 15 hours away from Wasilla.

Little did these bloggers know that the source from which they were quoting either deliberately or unintentionally left off the fact that Palin clearly said that the story emanated from when her family lived in Skagway. Skagway is pretty close to Whitehorse. Now the fun part is seeing all the walkbacks:

"Palin, as a young child, lived closer to itthan [sic] earlier reported."

"The Calgary Herald has a fuller, slightly different version of the quote."

Ok, it appears that this was when Palin lived in "Skagway, Alaska," which is much closer to Canada.

In any event, the Calgary Herald notes that "Medical Care Act that established national medicare came to Canada" was implemented in 1966." Since Palin did not give any time frame for when this story occurred, it's possible that her family went over to Whitehorse prior to when socialized medicine was implemented in Canada. Also, the Calgary Herald notes too that "it's not exactly anybody's political choice where they receive medical attention when they're less than five years old."

Even if the story occurred after 1966, I'll call hypocrisy the day wealthy liberals give back their Bush tax cuts (if it's not clear, I do not believe liberals who benefited from the Bush tax cuts are hypocritical at all).

Update: I'm hearing from even some Palin adversaries that even though the "Medical Care Act" was enacted in 1966, it wasn’t until 1972 that universal health care could be found throughout Canada. If this is true, then no argument can even be made about "hypocrisy."

Update #2: According to the summary of Canada's health care system by Health Canada, it was only until 1972 that Yukon "create[d] medical insurance plans with federal cost sharing."

Update #3: If Whitehorse is closer to Skagway than Juneau and if the Palins paid for their son's care while they were in Yukon, how is that hypocrisy? If they paid for their son's care in Yukon, then how is she benefiting in a hypocritical fashion from socialized medicine considering that the whole point behind socialized medicine is that you don't have to pay for your healthcare (and I still reject the premise behind the "hypocrisy" argument because of the liberal/"Bush tax cut" logic I cite to above)?

Update #4: Ben Smith adds the point we made in our second update to his original post:
ALSO: Socialized medicine apparently only kicked in in Yukon in 1972, post-Palin.

24 posted on 03/08/2010 6:11:40 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: big black dog
Here's a map showing Skagway and Whitehorse
25 posted on 03/08/2010 6:12:32 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: big black dog
Skagway and Whitehorse are more connected (even being in different countries) than Skagway and Juneau. The Canadians knew this (and that's who Palin was talking to...) but it was just some stupid Americans who didn't know this... LOL ...

Skagway to Whitehorse is a "natural" and goes without saying...


History of the White Pass & Yukon Route Railroad

Built in 1898 during the Klondike Gold Rush, this narrow gauge railroad is an International Historic Civil Engineering Landmark, a designation shared with the Panama Canal, the Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty.

The WP&YR railway was considered an impossible task but it was literally blasted through coastal mountains in only 26 months.

The $10 million project was the product of British financing, American engineering and Canadian contracting. Tens of thousands of men and 450 tons of explosives overcame harsh and challenging climate and geography to create "the railway built of gold."

The WP&YR climbs almost 3000 feet in just 20 miles and features steep grades of up to 3.9%, cliff-hanging turns of 16 degrees, two tunnels and numerous bridges and trestles. The steel cantilever bridge was the tallest of its kind in the world when it was constructed in 1901.

The 110 mile WP&YR Railroad was completed with the driving of the golden spike on July 29, 1900 in Carcross Yukon connecting the deep water port of Skagway Alaska to Whitehorse Yukon and beyond to northwest Canada and interior Alaska.

White Pass & Yukon Route became a fully integrated transportation company operating docks, trains, stage coaches, sleighs, buses, paddlewheelers, trucks, ships, airplanes, hotels and pipelines. It provided the essential infrastructure servicing the freight and passenger requirements of Yukon's population and mining industry. WP&YR proved to be a successful transportation innovator and pioneered the inter-modal (ship-train-truck) movement of containers.

The WP&YR suspended operations in 1982 when Yukon's mining industry collapsed due to low mineral prices. The railway was reopened in 1988 as a seasonal tourism operation and served 37,000 passengers. Today, the WP&YR is Alaska's most popular shore excursion carrying over 450,000 passengers during the May to September tourism season operating on the first 67.5 miles (Skagway, Alaska to Carcross, Yukon) of the original 110 mile line.


26 posted on 03/08/2010 6:14:13 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: big black dog

Calgary audience fans of former U.S. VP candidate Sarah Palin? You betcha!

SUN, 07/03/2010 - 3:18AM

CALGARY - Sarah Palin drew a straight line from Alaska to Alberta as she told a sold-out, largely adoring crowd in Calgary that the province gets her message of less government, lower taxes and development of natural resources.

In what was billed as her first Canadian appearance since stepping down as governor of Alaska last summer, Palin's trademark folksy charm was on full display Saturday night.

She joked that her distinctive accent means she's often mistaken for Canadian and that she has two great-grandfathers from Canada, including one from Moose Jaw, Sask.

"That must be where my love of moose came from," she said to laughter and applause.

Palin, who shot to national prominence after being chosen as running mate for U.S. Republican Senator John McCain in the 2008 presidential campaign, also mentioned the Olympics, suggesting that the bobsled is all in a day's commute in Alaska.

She paid tribute to Canada's men's hockey win, noting that the U.S. men's silver is nothing to sneeze at.

"Second place isn't that bad. I've been there."

Palin grew serious when the talk turned to politics, thanking Calgary-based company TransCanada Corp. for its bid to build a pipeline to connect Alaska to Alberta.

She noted the areas have several things in common: good hunting, good fishing and a commitment to developing energy resources.

"We understand how important it is to do responsibly."

She touched on climate change, saying that her skepticism has been proven by several recent controversies and that money shouldn't be spent on "pie-in-the-sky, snake-oil ideas."

The vocal opponent of health care reform in the U.S. steered largely clear of the topic except to reveal a tidbit about her life growing up not far from Whitehorse.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada," she said. "And I think now, isn't that ironic."

Many in attendance said seeing Palin was like catching a glimpse of a celebrity.

Stephanie Hansen, 18, who wore a pin with Palin's face, could barely contain her excitement. She gushed that she felt out of place among the much older audience.

"I love it, I'm really glad that I came. It was really enlightening."

She admitted she didn't know a lot about Palin's politics, but said she loves her nonetheless.

"I admire how she can have a family and still be able to work as much as she does and everything she does."

A number of Alberta politicians were also in attendance.

Danielle Smith, leader of the right-of-centre Wildrose Alliance Party, faced comparisons with Palin as she ran for the party's leadership last year. Smith said she was greeted by a steady stream of supporters after Palin's speech.

"It was great. I think the themes she was talking about resonate just as much with Albertans as they are with average Americans," she said.

"Free enterprise, the respect for individuals, the fact that we need limited government, these are all the things people are asking for."

Since leaving politics, Palin has spent her time rebuilding her brand in the United States with increasing visibility on the national stage.

She has become a regular paid commentator for Fox News and gave a high-profile address at the first national convention of the "tea party" coalition last month. The anti-establishment, grass-roots network is formed on a premise of anger over the growth of government and President Barack Obama's policies.

She denied any kind of leadership ambitions for the movement, saying that she's told organizers that politicians will always let them down while ideals remain true.

"It's a beautiful movement, it's a conservative movement that's sweeping our nation," she said.

Palin gained a fair amount of notoriety for that speech, being widely mocked for writing crib notes such as "Energy. Tax. Lifting American spirits" on her hand and consulting them during one question and answer session.

She was asked by Senator Pamela Wallin to show her palms after the speech and referenced a passage in the bible that says people's names are engraved on God's hands, saying "if it was good enough for God, it's good enough for me."

In addition to her political speeches, Palin is a paid commentator for Fox News, appeared on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno last week and is apparently shopping around a reality show that would showcase her home state of Alaska.

She's repeatedly refused to confirm whether she would consider a run for the presidency in 2012 and remained coy when asked the question Saturday.

"Don't know what I'm going to do in 2012," she said, adding no matter what happens she'll be supporting candidates who embrace her message of a common-sense approach to government.

Polls seem to suggest Palin doesn't pose much of a threat as a potential presidential candidate.

A recent Washington Post-ABC News poll suggested only 37 per cent of Americans had a favourable impression of Palin, and of those who identified themselves as conservatives, fewer than half said she was qualified to serve as president.

Tickets for the Calgary event ranged from about $150 to $200. About half of the 1,200 people in attendance gave Palin a standing ovation.

27 posted on 03/08/2010 6:27:48 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: big black dog
I wish people would actually read the article before you reply. It's making your point

We can't have that. Next thing you know the posts here might come to be more rational.

28 posted on 03/08/2010 7:00:55 PM PST by jla
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To: Star Traveler

without wasting my time searching, can you tell me if ben smith or jonathan martin of politico wrote any of the false stories before correcting? thank you.


29 posted on 03/08/2010 8:41:17 PM PST by JApost
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To: JApost
You were asking ...

without wasting my time searching, can you tell me if ben smith or jonathan martin of politico wrote any of the false stories before correcting? thank you.

I think the story originally came from a Medicine Hat paper (Post #27), and then went on from there, but I'm not absolutely sure about that.

30 posted on 03/08/2010 9:01:17 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: jonrick46
Just a couple of years a go (and possibly still), there were some small area’s in Canada where our (US) Medicare covered hospital treatment. These areas were a closer proximity for medcial coverage than US hospitals.
31 posted on 03/08/2010 9:09:47 PM PST by Tucson Jim
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To: Tucson Jim

This tells one that when you are in a remote area and need medical treatment, you go where it is available. Thanks for the infomation.


32 posted on 03/08/2010 9:12:17 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fascism.)
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