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CNN: Investigators Unable To Recreate Runaway Prius After 2 Hours of Trying (Video)
hotairpundit ^ | 3/14/10 | HAP

Posted on 03/14/2010 10:16:04 PM PDT by Talkradio03

Draft memo obtained by CNN: "It's feasibly not possible both electronically and mechanically that the gas pedal was stuck and that Mr. Sikes could have been slamming on the brake pedal at the same time and not have the car slow down" (Prius story debunked, 2 videos)

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: cnnprius; jamessikes; prius; toyota; warontoyota

1 posted on 03/14/2010 10:16:05 PM PDT by Talkradio03
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To: Talkradio03

BTTT


2 posted on 03/14/2010 10:17:11 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Talkradio03

After I heard the 911 call I had my doubts. Any modern car will stop if you either, smash the brake down, use the emergency brake, shift in neutral, or turn the key back until only the eletronics work.


3 posted on 03/14/2010 10:21:37 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: LukeL

I have been smelling a big scam since these Prius stories surfaced.

Just like the Audi stories of the 70s, some dumb bugger hit the gas instead of the brake — initially — and then other lying cheating scumbags smelling lawsuit cash have chimed in hoping to hit Toyota in the wallet for “damages.”

Needles in a Pepsi can? Cooked finger in a Wendy’s chili?

HORSECRAP!!!


4 posted on 03/14/2010 10:27:43 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: LukeL

” use the emergency brake, shift in neutral, or turn the key back until only the eletronics work.”

This is what I want to know.!!!!
While I have driven many cars and over one million miles in my life, I have not driven, but just a few times, since I left the USA in Jan. 2005.
I never saw a car that could not be switched off (first click of the ignition switch) or one that could not be shifted into neutral while moving, or inoperable brakes.

Are the cars that much different now?


5 posted on 03/14/2010 10:32:01 PM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Talkradio03

I’d like to see a poll that asked whether the Prius incident was real or faked, and I’d like to see it broken down along ideological lines. I’ll bet ten bucks liberals would say real and conservatives faked. Everything is political these days, from the weather to your gas pedal.


6 posted on 03/14/2010 10:38:04 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: AlexW

This fraud guy was told about 20 times by the 911 police operator to put it in neutral but he kept saying he could not. The whole thing is a fraud. The guy was broke and his car was behind on his payments etc etc.

Almost every thing I have read, have heard and been told is modern brakes will stop any car. This was true with the Audi 5000/100.


7 posted on 03/14/2010 10:38:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Ronin

Dittos.


8 posted on 03/14/2010 10:38:30 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Talkradio03

Call 60 Minutes, they know how to make a run-away car.


9 posted on 03/14/2010 10:44:46 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: AlexW

I drive a 2000 Cav and I think the same holds true in all cars, that you can shift from drive to netural without depressing the button on the shifter or the brake. Also I think all cars have the two clicks to start a car, one click turns on the electronics and the next starts the engine. If it wasn’t for modern locking steering wheels it should be possible to steer a car with no power at all.


10 posted on 03/14/2010 10:47:30 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Frantzie
> Almost every thing I have read, have heard and been told is modern brakes will stop any car.

I've got a 2005 SUV with 4WD-Low capability that I need in winter for my steep country driveway. I went out one very cold morning and the engine was initially racing (around 1800 RPM). I threw it in 1st (1-low) and it started moving forward like it could climb a tree. I hit the brakes but they had iced and it seemed at first like I couldn't stop the car. So I really stood on the brake pedal, and it stopped the car with some effort.

Modern brakes will stop any car. Of course they might get kinda warm in the process if the engine is racing.

11 posted on 03/14/2010 10:48:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Talkradio03

Someone got their 15 minutes with the “can’t stop” story.

Corny, but someone felt the need to do it...
http://toyotasimulator.com/


12 posted on 03/14/2010 10:53:25 PM PDT by Gun142 (Where Will You Be When You Get Where You're Going? -- Jerry Clower)
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To: dayglored

Good point. If they are wet or really cold it can be a tougher. When they start to warm it will stop. Your setup probably has pretty strong pulling power too w/4WD. Very cold, 4WD, 1st low low gear, iced brakes. I would say that is a pretty good test.

I wonder if the electronics computer in cars backs off the throttle if people slam on the brakes.

This whole toyo thing is BS.

The only real accident appears that cop in the Lexus with messed up floor mats. It was a loaner cause his car was being serviced. The mats were the wrongd size or something. Cheaps Ford even have little hooks to hold the drivers mat from sliding forward.


13 posted on 03/14/2010 10:54:49 PM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Yardstick
I’ll bet ten bucks liberals would say real and conservatives faked. Everything is political these days, from the weather to your gas pedal.

That's because liberals never believe anything is their fault and conservatives believe that people are responsible for their own actions.

Furthermore, conservatives are more likely to be convinced that responsible manufacturers, such as Toyota, test the every-loving bejeezuz out of EVERY component that goes into their cars and it is highly unlikely that they would allow a defective design in such a critical area to make it into production.

Additionally, conservatives have become jaded and disillusioned by the large numbers of potential scam artists and crooks out there who have cheerfully jumped into these controversies in the past, hoping for a free piece of the monetary settlements that might be made available. Liberals do not see anything wrong with that, because they believe that all corporate profits are dishonestly obtained anyhow, and any goodies they can get are justified.

Conservatives are more likely to feel sympathy for the workers, stockholders and product owners who see their efforts and investments improperly diminished by the actions of jackels eager to cash in on unproven allegations.

14 posted on 03/14/2010 10:59:57 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: Ronin
Lemme get this straight.

You are saying that if I burn my crotch with McDonald's coffee when my Toyota accelerates out of control, I shouldn't be able to sue for millions?

Waddayou, some kinda commie? Get me Edwards on the phone. Now!

15 posted on 03/14/2010 11:01:12 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Obama? Definitely eligible to be Prime Minister of the UK.)
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To: Talkradio03
The Prius has a parking-brake switch.

Pressing it when going less than 5 mph will cause a "parking-brake" action.

Pressing it when going over 5 mph will cause the engine to shift into neutral - then the driver can simply apply brakes and stop in a safe location.

Failing that, holding down the power switch for three seconds will actually shut the engine down completely.

This guy was a complete hoax.

16 posted on 03/14/2010 11:01:35 PM PDT by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: Frantzie

My wife’s RX300 has the little floor hooks as well and it is a 2000.


17 posted on 03/14/2010 11:02:30 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this...)
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To: Frantzie
> Your setup probably has pretty strong pulling power too w/4WD. Very cold, 4WD, 1st low low gear, iced brakes. I would say that is a pretty good test.

Yep. Of course, shifting to neutral eliminates the problem, but since in my case I was trying to maneuver the car around, I needed it to be in gear. :)

> I wonder if the electronics computer in cars backs off the throttle if people slam on the brakes.

I dunno. Interesting thought.

I had a buddy in the 70's who drove his automatic with both feet -- right on the accelerator, left on the brake. It was so he could keep the engine going (otherwise it tended to stall at idle). He went through brake pads like crazy.

> This whole toyo thing is BS.

Yep. Smells like somebody is trying to destroy the competition by innuendo rather than in the marketplace.

18 posted on 03/14/2010 11:03:53 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Yardstick

> Everything is political these days, from the weather to your gas pedal.

No, this is about engineering.

The 2008 Prius’ engine can get it from 0 to 60 in about 11 seconds.
The 2008 Prius’ branks can get it from 60 to 0 in about 3 seconds.
You can do the math. :-)

Another thing that the MSM never mentions: some of these alleged unintended accelerators are several years old, why are all of these cases suddenly happening now? Hmmm...


19 posted on 03/14/2010 11:05:25 PM PDT by km6xu (1998 Onion Headline: Palestinian Gunman Angered by Stereotypes)
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To: Ronin
I have been smelling a big scam since these Prius stories surfaced.

Exactly. Talk about a ready-made class action lawsuit for the looters. All you need is an easily fabricated story.

20 posted on 03/14/2010 11:05:45 PM PDT by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: Kenny Bunk

Ha! Good luck. He’s too busy fixing his hair and apologizing to his mirror reflection for his oppsies.


21 posted on 03/14/2010 11:09:08 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: dayglored

I think it may be a combo. Destroy the competition.

I also think it is beat up the biggest transplant auto manufacture to scare the other transplants with non-union factories (Nissan, Honda, BMW Hyndai, Mercedes, etc etc). Then the UAW thug try to force their way into the non-union factories or else - you get the Toyota treatment.

Obama, his Chicago goons, the UAW and other unions are so evil assited by their trail lawyer buddies.


22 posted on 03/14/2010 11:11:11 PM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Talkradio03

My husband said there was something funny about that guy. You’re supposed to put the car in neutral.


23 posted on 03/14/2010 11:14:13 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: dayglored

I had a similar experience with a ‘78 Delta (it was 25+ years old at the time). Sometimes for no whatever reason the engine would start revving like mad while in neutral/park, or even just coming from a dead stop. I was always able to stop the car by slamming hard on the brakes.

If a rustbucket from 1978 could handle that, I can’t see how a Prius could not.


24 posted on 03/14/2010 11:19:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Talkradio03

The whole reason the gov’t wanted a majority stake in GM, was so that they could bully the competition (i.e. possibly better cars) with impunity and drive them out of the market. After what I’ve seen, I won’t even consider buying a GM vehicle, until the gov’t sells off it’s ownership and allows the free market to be just that: free. I’m pretty sure I’m not alone on that point. I wonder if the gov’t thought about that first, or if they don’t even care. Are they going to prop up a failing car company forever, if no one buys the cars? Reminds me of Weekend at Bernie’s.


25 posted on 03/14/2010 11:48:31 PM PDT by RedDogzRule (Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith alone. - James 2:24 (KJV))
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To: Ronin
I have been smelling a big scam since these Prius stories...

I posted that the recent prius story sounded fishy the day it hit the press.

26 posted on 03/15/2010 12:28:12 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: HonestConservative; holdonnow; kristinn; sneakers

FYI

Someone should check for a deposit in his bank account (or purchases, payments), right before this.


27 posted on 03/15/2010 12:29:43 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: Yardstick
I’d like to see a poll that asked whether the Prius incident was real or faked...

Here is my vote: FAKED!

28 posted on 03/15/2010 12:31:42 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom
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To: politicket

What got me was the comment that the car eventually stopped when stepping on the brakes and applying the emergency brake at the same time.
Pressing the brake pedal actuates all 4 wheels. The emergency brake uses the same brake components only without use of the pedal. Applying both gives NO extra braking power over just the brake pedal.


29 posted on 03/15/2010 1:13:20 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: AlexW

I am not that familiar with the prius, but I do know it has a push button ignition in their ads.


30 posted on 03/15/2010 2:08:49 AM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do the work Americans won't do)
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To: Fiddlstix; All
Did the exploding FORD PINTO’s did not get as much attention as the Toyota???

I don't think so..!

31 posted on 03/15/2010 2:12:44 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Talkradio03

As soon as I heard this story it made no sense to me.. actually a Prius doing 90 makes no sense but that’s another story.


32 posted on 03/15/2010 2:21:57 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA, Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: bossmechanic
The emergency brake uses the same brake components only without use of the pedal. Applying both gives NO extra braking power over just the brake pedal.

Actually, that's not true in cars that have rear disk brakes. The rear brakes in my car are a combination of drums and disks. The brake pedal actuates the rear (and front) disks and the parking brake actuates the rear drums.

33 posted on 03/15/2010 3:59:44 AM PDT by Plexi
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To: Frantzie

And I’m pretty sure that last was a case of non-Toyota aftermarket mats, and not official Toyota parts at fault.


34 posted on 03/15/2010 4:03:21 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Talkradio03

“Mr. Sikes didn’t know that the Toyota Prius has a safety feature, when you press both the brake pedal and gas pedal to the floor, the engine shuts off... “

LOL!! So instead of Balloon Boy, we have Gas Pedal Guy.


35 posted on 03/15/2010 4:04:17 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Talkradio03

CNN is incompetent. Call Dateline.


36 posted on 03/15/2010 4:16:33 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: bossmechanic
The emergency brake uses the same brake components only without use of the pedal.

Very true. However if the back drums are not adjusted optimally, partially engaging the emergency brake prior to pedal braking will enhance the stopping ability of the vehicle. So says my E-150 while grossly overloaded with tools.

37 posted on 03/15/2010 4:22:40 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: maddog55
actually a Prius doing 90 makes no sense but that’s another story

Not only is 90 possible, but Al Gore's inconvenient son was busted for doing 100 in a Prius.

38 posted on 03/15/2010 4:23:33 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Talkradio03
“Mr. Sikes didn’t know that the Toyota Prius has a safety feature, when you press both the brake pedal and gas pedal to the floor, the engine shuts off... “

Unfortunately, not all Toyautos have this feature. But Toyauto is busy adding it to all their cars. Too bad safety wasn't a priority for them a few years ago.

39 posted on 03/15/2010 4:29:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: Talkradio03

And now a word from Toyota owners.


40 posted on 03/15/2010 6:00:26 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: FreedomPoster

“And I’m pretty sure that last was a case of non-Toyota aftermarket mats, and not official Toyota parts at fault.”

I think that was what happened with that Lexus in CA. Floor mats are a real simple thing until they get wedged on the gas pedal. If they are not factory or have the hole for teh little hooks - a little thing can become a big problem fast.


41 posted on 03/15/2010 8:37:44 AM PDT by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Talkradio03

The Marxist Obama group is consciously and purposely destroying one of the most successful private companies in the world - Toyota. Toyota is an especially desirable target for this gang - who are enemies of capitalistm - since Toyota employs so many people in the U.S. and capitalist Japan and elsewhere.

By the time Obama’s group is through with Toyota, the roll of the unemployed will swell greatly. That result certainly seems to be their aim. All day long on CNN and its web equivalents - Toyota this, Toyota that. The media networks - even Fox News - are complacent about the nuclear threat to the world - practically silent. The media focus rather on first highly suspicous, then outright bogus reports of out of control cars.


42 posted on 03/15/2010 11:20:37 AM PDT by Mack Truck ( CAIR is the biggest enemy of free speech and freedom in America.)
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