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Toyota: Runaway Prius Guy Jim Sikes Is Balloon-Boy 2
Business Insider ^ | March 15, 2010 | Henry Blodget

Posted on 03/15/2010 11:57:14 PM PDT by hamboy

The appropriate word here would probably be "busted."

"My Prius went wild!" guy Jim Sikes apparently didn't realize his car carried the equivalent of an airliner's Black Box.

Ah, well.  Live and learn, Jim.  In the Big House.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: baloon; jamessikes; prius; runawayprius; sikes; toyota; warontoyota
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1 posted on 03/15/2010 11:57:14 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: hamboy

Another 15-minuter


2 posted on 03/15/2010 11:59:18 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: hamboy

All new cars carry a “black box” in them. I think the Prius has one in them.


3 posted on 03/16/2010 12:00:42 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: americanophile

He should have dressed better for that 15...


4 posted on 03/16/2010 12:01:43 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: Irenic

...we’ll see him again...in orange.


5 posted on 03/16/2010 12:03:40 AM PDT by americanophile
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To: hamboy

“Mr. Waltz said data captured by the car indicated that the brakes and accelerator were depressed about 250 different times during the incident.”

Sounds like the guy tried the break — I don’t think this is evidence that he was lying.


6 posted on 03/16/2010 12:05:05 AM PDT by SmartInsight
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To: hamboy

“Mr. Waltz said data captured by the car indicated that the brakes and accelerator were depressed about 250 different times during the incident.”

Sounds like the guy tried the break — I don’t think this is evidence that he was lying.


7 posted on 03/16/2010 12:05:54 AM PDT by SmartInsight
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8 posted on 03/16/2010 12:06:34 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: SmartInsight

Please! He’s a grifter and a fraud. Probably planning to file a big fat lawsuit until he got ratted out. I knew this was bogus the minute I read the details. To prison at once with him.


9 posted on 03/16/2010 12:08:06 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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Comment #10 Removed by Moderator

Remember the Chili Finger Lady ?


11 posted on 03/16/2010 12:10:38 AM PDT by sanjoaquinvalley (Long Time Lady Lurker)
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To: F15Eagle

It would be easy to disable to black box(if you knew where to look).


12 posted on 03/16/2010 12:12:33 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: ccmay

That is exactly the point, he is NOT planning to file a lawsuit, he is not appearing on TV, he has nothing to gain. On the other hand, TOYOTA has a lot to lose.

The balloon boy hoax WAS perpertrated for financial gain.


13 posted on 03/16/2010 12:14:34 AM PDT by SmartInsight
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To: F15Eagle

I know that you can have a focused EMP beam.


15 posted on 03/16/2010 12:21:27 AM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: hamboy

I didn’t think that the black box reveled anything, because there was no collision.


16 posted on 03/16/2010 12:31:15 AM PDT by Gator113 (I do not want Obama IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED. Are we there yet? 2010-2012)
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To: Gator113

reveled=revealed


17 posted on 03/16/2010 12:39:29 AM PDT by Gator113 (I do not want Obama IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED. Are we there yet? 2010-2012)
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To: hamboy

Geeez Arch, where’s Edith???


18 posted on 03/16/2010 12:42:32 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this...)
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To: Gator113
"brakes and accelerator were depressed about 250 different times during the incident.”

These so called Black Boxes are likely just data stored within the multitudinous microprocessors on board. Since there are two brake systems and two propulsion sources and various combinations of which ones are in use, it's possible that some combination of rapid inputs could confuse the complex hardware operation. The new inexpensive memory chips could easily hold data from the last hour or more.

19 posted on 03/16/2010 12:50:24 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SmartInsight

You damn betcha he was planning a lawsuit for the first 24 hours or so after he got out of the car. He is not planning a lawsuit NOW, because all the ambulance chasers looked over his flimsy bogus case and told him to get lost.

The one and only thing that lawyers care about is stuffing their pockets with money, and there ain’t a nickel in this pathetic payasada. This did not turn out at all as he had anticipated.


20 posted on 03/16/2010 1:08:45 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: SmartInsight; ccmay
He's not planning to file a lawsuit — because his little scam was uncovered. He might avoid jail because he was lucky enough to be found out, before filing a suit.

A panicked driver, who knows little or nothing about driving, might pump the brakes 250 times — instead of holding them down long enough to be effective. A devious schemer would pump the brakes, and the accelerator hundreds of times; to attempt to simulate a runaway auto situation.

The 911 operator tried to get him to put the car into neutral — several times. He claimed to be too busy to do that.

21 posted on 03/16/2010 1:09:00 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: hamboy

What there an Obama sticker in the car?


22 posted on 03/16/2010 1:13:45 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Perhaps you could disable the black box but then there would be a record of you doing that, wouldn’t there? That said I think it is likely the disconnecting of the box would render the vehicle unable to start.


23 posted on 03/16/2010 2:22:06 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: hamboy
Like many people, I have watched this thing play out since it started several weeks ago. The Congress has gotten involved which should be a danger signal to anyone.

I have had some minor and low level experience working in "cooperation" with the Japanese in the auto industry. From my vantage point I found the executive level Japanese to be arrogant and condescending toward those they deemed to be inferiors which is most people. In my role at the time as a subordinate to an American executive, I was one of those inferiors who at times had to try to interact with the Japanese executive. I found them invariably to be imperialistic and arrogant in their approach to their "lessers".

As I've watched this Toyota thing play out, I've seen much of the same thing, imperial arrogance in Toyoda and his direct reports toward our country and toward the approach to their problems. I think they arrogantly failed to understand that in Maobama and his stooges they were not playing with the traditional American administration basic philosophies. I think they totally underestimated the hold that unions, including the UAW, have on Maobama.

This is a big opportunity for the UAW to "bring Toyota to their knees", as they like to shout to their noble worker membership during contract negotiations. They haven't been able to organize very many domestic Toyota operations and they're angry. I still get the UAW propaganda from time to time in the mail because my son worked for a brief time at a Ford plant while going to college, and that stuff drips with their hatred for Toyota.

I think it very possible that as part of the dust settling on this problem, the UAW will be welcomed into the domestic Toyota plants and the "workers" will be the ones to find the solution and all will be good again. Paybacks are hell.

24 posted on 03/16/2010 3:17:53 AM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

He claimed to be too busy to do that.

Yeah. This is what I can’t figure out. He WASN’T too busy to call 911 on his cell phone - a task far more difficult than slipping the car into neutral...


25 posted on 03/16/2010 3:19:02 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: hamboy

I must admit that I suspected it would end this way the minute I heard the story.


26 posted on 03/16/2010 3:57:38 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: hamboy
I have to say I am surprised that Toyota stock has not fallen further.


27 posted on 03/16/2010 4:28:35 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Congratulations UVM Catamounts - Going to the Big Dance!)
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To: RushLake
I think it very possible that as part of the dust settling on this problem, the UAW will be welcomed into the domestic Toyota plants and the "workers" will be the ones to find the solution and all will be good again.

I think that Toyota would close its plants before they'd let the UAW poison the operation. I know that I would.

This whole issue came to fruition after Toyota closed the plant in California - the plant that had been shared with GM before GM abandoned it (it was UAW BTW). This is all about revenge and has nothing to do with an alleged vehicle defect. Especially a defect that allegedly covers so many vehicles.

This "Prius boy" scam plays right into Toyota's hands. I wonder how many more scams there are out there, trying to get a buck or two out of Toyota...

28 posted on 03/16/2010 4:46:47 AM PDT by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: SmartInsight
Sounds like the guy tried the break — I don’t think this is evidence that he was lying.

There is not a car made where the brakes are not capable of stopping the vehicle even at full throttle. Especially an underpowered car like the Prius.

This guy was trying to get rich off of a big name. Hopefully, he'll be arrested and tried for scamming the 911 system instead.

29 posted on 03/16/2010 4:53:11 AM PDT by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: hamboy

A man by the name of Inanian (sp?) who is an expert on cars was on WOR’s John Gambling show this morning. Gambling was under the impression that Sykes was trying to scam Toyota. Inanian said the highway patrol smelled the burning brakes (not reported by the press), they were metal on metal, which I assume means completely worn and that just because Toyota says they could find no problem doesn’t mean there was no problem.

How many times have people taken their cars to mechanics who can’t find the problem but the owner knows there is a problem?


30 posted on 03/16/2010 5:13:55 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: hamboy
I also thought the guy was Balloon Boy Redux, but now I do think it was a computer glitch for two reasons:

1) Toyota has tested and retested the Prius in question, and each time they pressed on both the gas and the brake, the engine was killed by the computer, and

2) The CHP officer that chased the guy down said "'When I saw him, I could smell the brakes,' said Officer Todd Niebert, a 14-year CHP veteran. 'I could see his brake lights coming on.'"

If the brakes were coming on, the engine should have died. If it didin't there was a computer problem.

31 posted on 03/16/2010 5:14:08 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo
"brakes and accelerator were depressed about 250 different times during the incident.”

If the brakes were coming on, the engine should have died.

No, the engine would have dropped down to idle, not died. But given that he "depressed the brakes and accelerator about 250 times", I suspect that every time he depressed the brakes, it tried to close the throttle, but he would release the brakes and keep his other foot mashed to the floor on the accelerator. So, he just repeatedly mashed his right foot on the gas, and would mash the brake pedal periodically with his left foot so that it looked like he was trying to stop, and so that he could get the brakes good an hot in order to fool the cops (and the gathering throng of media drones) into thinking that he really had a problem.

32 posted on 03/16/2010 6:00:55 AM PDT by meyer ("It's not enough just to not suck as much as the other side" - G. Beck)
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To: meyer
I'm sure you're right, NUMMI is undoubtedly a part of the equation.

I spent several years as an elected UAW official. When I tried to move up, it was discovered that I wasn't a minority, and that I had a college education. I took an opportunity on the salaried side of the business, and put up with crap like my wife's tires being slashd in the parking lot, anonymous threatening phone calls, "accidently" slammed into while passing a union goon. 30 years later, I had a UAW retiree as a guest at my home who called me a traitor, just before I showed him the door. That's the lower level union trash. Its harder hard ball the farther up the food chain you go.

33 posted on 03/16/2010 12:16:03 PM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: Yo-Yo
If the brakes were coming on, the engine should have died. If it didin't there was a computer problem.

If Mr. Sikes already messed up the brakes what else can you expect?

34 posted on 03/16/2010 7:45:19 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: SmartInsight

It is evidence he’s lying. If you knew how a Prius braking system worked, the conditions of the brakes a week before his jaunt and the condition after his jaunt, you would come to the same conclusion.


35 posted on 03/17/2010 7:41:03 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: SmartInsight

His lawyer is also representing the family of the California Highway Patrol officer who died along with others, in a fiery crash in San Diego that was blamed on floor mats. I think one can reasonably infer that the Prius Flyer is looking for money. I don’t think it is reasonable to infer he’s not.


36 posted on 03/17/2010 7:48:31 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

He actually did it to damage the brakes by overheating. He did this over several days thinking the damage would be “evidence” of continued hard brake application. He didn’t realize that it is actually evidence to the contrary given how Prius braking systems work. By the way, the reason the computer logged 250 brake applications is because that’s the limit. He applied those brakes at least 250 times (and not over the course of time/miles he claimed to have driven).


37 posted on 03/17/2010 7:56:31 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: bmwcyle
Was there an Obama sticker on the car?

I think that Priuses leave the factory with Obama stickers.

38 posted on 03/17/2010 8:00:10 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: RushLake

Riiight. The UAW comes back roaring like a lion because your colleagues snubbed you. Nevermind the very consistent votes and strong pushback from those very Toyota & other Japanese plants against the unions over the years. So strong in fact, that the UAW is trying to get Card Check enacted so they can intimidate the very employees who have kept them out. Maybe they were right to snub you.


39 posted on 03/17/2010 8:04:25 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: goldi

Toyota did find the problem. Through investigation of the car, the on-board computers, the known time-line & the known distance traveled. The problem turned out to be that the owner was lying & what damage was inflicted on the brakes was done on purpose.


40 posted on 03/17/2010 8:10:21 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: Yo-Yo

You’re operating under a false assumption & clearly do not know how the Prius braking system works. Hint, it doesn’t work like a normal car. Read up some & you’ll change your mind, I think.


41 posted on 03/17/2010 8:13:19 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: driveserve

They didn’t snub me posterior orifice. If any snubbing was done it was me to the UAW since I “snubbed” them and moved on with my life, which by the way, jerk, is my right or anyone elses for that matter. I was making some observations on how the UAW reacts to situations it doesn’t like. Too bad you’re too stupid to understand the written word, and worse that you can’t simply ask for clarification which I’d been happy to have provided. I suggest you go back in the bathroom with your copy of Hustler and really satisfy yourself. I suppose that this response to you could be construed as a “snub”. Have a nice day limp wrist.


42 posted on 03/18/2010 2:46:57 AM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: driveserve
You’re operating under a false assumption & clearly do not know how the Prius braking system works. Hint, it doesn’t work like a normal car. Read up some & you’ll change your mind, I think.

Instead of a flip and holier-than-thou response, why don't you try to explain what part I got wrong from the Toyota press release which stated:

The Prius braking system uses both conventional hydraulic friction brakes and a regenerative braking system which switches the electric drive motors into brakes to generate electricity.

The system features a sophisticated self- protection function which cuts engine power if moderate brake pedal pressure is applied and the accelerator pedal is depressed more than approximately 50 percent, in effect providing a form of “brake override.”

This function, which is intended to protect the system from overload and possible damage, was found to be functioning normally during the preliminary field examination.

Now, what part of the Toyota Prius braking system do I not understand?

43 posted on 03/18/2010 4:41:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

The part where you want me to explain to you how it works. Like I said, read up (do the work) & you’ll change your mind, I think. If you read Toyota’s response correctly. you’ll see it’s all there. How’s that for flip?


44 posted on 03/18/2010 11:36:21 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: RushLake

Well, I guess you showed them. Serves them right seeing how they really missed such a gem. No need for clarification, by the way. You’re quite an open page.


45 posted on 03/18/2010 11:41:04 PM PDT by driveserve
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To: driveserve

Clymer.


46 posted on 03/19/2010 4:13:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: driveserve
Too bad you're too stupid to understand the message then being as how there's no need for clarification. You UAW goons really have no reason to get all angry. Your boy is in the White House, you own two car companies, it doesn't look like you're going to get hurt with Maobamacare. Regardless, there's still a lot of venom flowing from you guys. Hard to fathom.

I note that your union reached agreement with Toyota over the buy out packages associated with shutting down NUMMI. The only thing that would have made things better, IMO, would have been if you could have gotten your car company, the "new" GM to maintain the arrangements with Toyota. Your brothers and sisters wouldn't have had to take those buy outs.

47 posted on 03/19/2010 12:18:53 PM PDT by RushLake (Liberalism/Progressivism--Domestic terrorism financed by your tax dollars.)
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To: SmartInsight

>>...he is not appearing on TV, he has nothing to gain.<<<

Really? Where did the picture come from? What are those microphone looking thingees in the picture?

>>...he is NOT planning to file a lawsuit...<<

Based on the facts as they are coming out, and emphasizing your comment uses the present tense, I agree with you. Based on what happened that first day, I have no doubt whatsoever that this was a ploy for a nice fat lawsuit settlement. None whatsoever. And when you check the guy’s track record, it only supports that position.

I think what he is planning to do now is keep himself out of prison for attemting to defame Toyota. If I were them, I’d go for the jugular.


48 posted on 03/19/2010 1:33:00 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SmartInsight

In the article it said he depressed them in a way that overrides the automatic safety feature.


49 posted on 03/19/2010 1:34:27 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Yo-Yo; driveserve

Actually, in the story in the OP:

“Toyota Motor Corp. said Monday it believes the driver of a Prius involved in a high-speed incident on a California highway repeatedly pressed the brake and accelerator, apparently defeating a system that can prevent unintended acceleration.”

Why is a guy, trying to stop his car, depressing the accelerator multiple times - the same accelerator he said he reached down and tried to pull up because it was “stuck to the floor” even though he would have needed the arms of a chimpanzee to even touch the front of the pedal?


50 posted on 03/19/2010 1:48:01 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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