Skip to comments.New York Post: Truman, Ike, Reagan: Next Up, Sarah Palin!
Posted on 03/17/2010 7:46:25 AM PDT by MaxCUA
click here to read article
You are apparently!
Bob J is the kind of guy you would just love to fire on a Monday morning or boot out of a bar on a Saturday morning.
with a smile on your face...
Why would she lose by 8% ? How is she any different than Romney or Huckabee as far as electability ?
You just don't get it do you? I'm definitely not pro-abortion. I certainly don't hate Christians, especially the ones at church. I don't hate women, as my late mother, my wife, two daughters and two granddaughters are all of the female persuasion. But, I don't care much for Sarah Palin. So, looks like you need to go back to the drawing board.
While conceding that it is speculative to compare people belonging to eras that are decades apart, let me quote a tennis analogy.
Laver ruled in the 60’s, Borg in the seventies, Mccenroe and Becker in the two halves of the 80s, Sampras in the 90s, and now we have Federer.
Every succeeding generation has gained exponentially over the previous in terms of quality of exposure and equipment.
You have see the comparison between Palin and Reagan, in this light.
Reagan followers have the advantage of hindsight. Been there, done that. But did he have the early exposure of Palin? Was the MSM technologically equipped to cause misery of the current magnitude?
"Based on what exactly? What about her CV gives you the idea that 70,000,000 Americans will decide that she has the expertise, knowledge and experience to pull the world's largest economy back from the brink and fight two wars and deal with the Mid-East and deal with the Asian Dragon and deal with a resurgent, aggressive Russia and deal with a collapsing European Union and....."
See, the thing you should be thinking about is this...If you can't provide a convincing argument on Palin's qualifications to accomplish all the above and more and at the same time here on a conservative site then how in God's name do you expect tens of millions of moderate/middle/independent voters to be persuaded?
That, my young friend, is the Palin problem....when the emotion is stripped away there's just not very much in the way of genuine POTUS class experience or expertise.
Perhaps the number one experience, that no one today can match is the hate filled and vile rants of the left, media, and plain dumb people. And she has done it with grace, but not backing down. You can tell whom your enemies fear most by who that hate the most. Bush, Reagan, and now Palin!
She did all these things and her critics say, she not smart enough. So, all the people who hired her, voted for her, worked with her, did it because she wasn'tt smart enough! Her experiences of just being a woman and doing what she has done, makes her smart enough!
Some people think she is not smart enough ... they think that no woman is smart enough. Neither Obama nor Hillary Clinton can match her experiences.
No one in politics today can match her in the most important qualities that Jefferson said George Washington had. " He administered the government with fairness and integrity, assuring Americans that the President could exercise extensive executive authority without corruption. Further, he executed the laws with restraint, establishing precedents for broad-ranging presidential authority. His integrity was most pure, Thomas Jefferson wrote, his justice the most inflexible I have ever known, no motive of interest or consanguinity, friendship, or hatred, being able to bias his decision.
And yes I think Sarah Palin has these same qualities that Jefferson said Washington had!
What America needs to see is genuine, long-term accomplishments that support assertions that she can fix the economy, save medicare, save social security, deal with the unions, confront an aggressive china, face down an increasingly expansive Russia, walk the tightrope in the MidEast, manage relations with a US-hating UN, fight a war in Afghanistan, finish a war in Iraq, fight AQ and its global allies, deal with all border and immigration issues, assure and support a flailing European Union, assure and support our crucial Asian allies, preserve relations with the crucial FSSRs....the list goes on.
There is almost nothing in Palin's resume that gives us confidence in her ability to do all of the above, especially given the certainty of a strong oppositional media...the same media that drove her from the one real job she had.
Could you possibly spin any faster?
Reagan's terms as Governor of California ended 35 years ago...suggesting that he is somehow responsible for today's circumstances is beyond silly.
Palin's self-interrupted single term as Governor of Alaska is not yet over, at least by the calendar. And, just last week an Alaskan freeper was complaining that things in Alaska have gone downhill since she quit.
Then it’s beyond silly to remember George Washington or Abe Lincoln or any other great leader in History who left a legacy.
Fact is, JUST 35 years later, Reagan’s California is BANKRUPT and JUST 22 years later Reagan’s America is essentially BANKRUPT too. We are still fighting against Hizbollah and Iran, and the FEDGOV that grew under Reagan is still growing.
Reagan didn’t quit? Well then WHAT DID he do? Fact is, Palin did more in Alaska than Reagan did in California, and excepting ONLY the demise of the USSR, in the US.
As surely as dogs return to their vomit, the McPalinites turn to smearing Ronald Reagan.
“Man, I’ve told you before here, here and here, you’ve gotta get your head out of the libtard rags.”
This is the standard response from Palin supporters when confronted with facts. EVERY publication in the US is a lib rag and therefore it ALL has to be a lie.
So where are we supposed to get our information? World Nut Daily and the Enquirer? I agree that 90% of the media is left leaning and that many writers and journalists want to skewer Palin. (How’s that different than any other pub or conservative?) But that doesn’t mean everything they say is a lie. I’ve put forth some information that you infer is false. Then it should be EASY to REFUTE it, right? But you never do.
I’m not alleging all my info is correct, I don’t produce it I just pass it along. If if IS false, please correct me, with cites from somewhere other than Going Rogue or a “Palin for president” website. If I am incorrect I will adjust my position accordingly.
“Palin grew up living in wolves territory shed know what to do.”
All your saying is that Palin is a loose cannon who can’t be trusted with the nuclear button.
Once the Republicrat parasitic class gets a “health” bill to play with for the next couple of decades..they’ll let a Palin in the front door of the Whitehouse....
“I believe the people of Alaska pay Fed Income Taxes and like every other State in this UNION deserve to get some of that back.”
All 600,000 of them. The COUNTY I live in has over 2 million people. On a per capita basis there is NO WAY anyone can justify the amount of money Alaska “get’s back” from the taxpayers of the other 49 states.
But that’s not even the issue. As stated Alaska is so wealthy it has no income or sales tax. It sends checks BACK to it’s residents every year. I’d love to see figures on how much those 600k residents PAY in income txes and how much the State gets back in services and direct revenue from me and other taxpayers who don’t live in the great white north.
Federal Tax Burdens and Expenditures: Alaska is a Beneficiary State
Alaska taxpayers receive more federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid compared to the average state. Per dollar of Federal tax collected in 2005, Alaska citizens received approximately $1.84 in the way of federal spending.
You make an false idol of anyone and I’ll stand to tear it down.
Reagan was a great President, but not perfect. IMO, from her upbringing and history Palin would be a GREATER President than Reagan. She already beat Reagan as a Governor.
That was the idiotic smear CONSTANTLY used against Reagan, if you remember. It was wrong about him, and it’s wrong about Palin.
No, it's just beyond silly to compare Palin to any of these giants.
"Fact is, JUST 35 years later, Reagans California is BANKRUPT and JUST 22 years later Reagans America is essentially BANKRUPT too. We are still fighting against Hizbollah and Iran, and the FEDGOV that grew under Reagan is still growing."
Explain, please, in detail exactly how this can be attributed to RWR.
"Reagan didnt quit?" (no, he didn't...if I am wrong then please show us where he did quit)
"Well then WHAT DID he do? Fact is, Palin did more in Alaska than Reagan did in California, and excepting ONLY the demise of the USSR, in the US."
Please detail exactly what Palin accomplished in her self-interrupted term for Alaska and then please explain, in detail, exactly how her accomplishment during that brief period surpasses RWR's (completed) terms as Governor and his eight years as POTUS.....
Should be easy for you to do since you state that it is "fact".
“The PFD goes up and down, might be 200 bucks in 2 years not 3000.”
This is what I found for the last 4 years.
Now either your fibbing, spinning or you are pathetically misinformed.
And this is what I’m talking about. You are an Alaskan resident, a Palin fan, and I know more about the Palin and Alaska facts than you.
Why is that so?
If I’m wrong about these numbers, please correct me.
Then you make this statement.
“First you need to educate yourself quite a bit more than you already think you seem to know about Alaska.”
If I’m right and you’re wrong you owe me an apology and also one to everyone reading this thread for misleadng them.
For many of us, it’s just be another day in the Palinista neighborhood. Smoke, mirrors, obfuscation, misdirection. Pay no attention to he facts behind the curtain, look at the bright shiny object I’m dangling in front of you. You are getting sleepy...very sleepy.
Polls taken in 2007 showed her with 93% and 89% popularity among all voters ...She has conviction, courage and a willingness to take personal political risks for better government.
In her State of the State address on January 17, 2008, Palin declared that the people of Alaska "can and must continue to develop our economy, because we cannot and must not rely so heavily on federal government." Alaska's federal congressional representatives cut back on pork-barrel project requests during Palin's time as governor
Buy your own dog food, I ain’t feeding your doggies.
In other words...your absurd assertions and statements of “fact” cannot be supported by reality. Of course I knew that was the case and that you wouldn’t even try. The only question was exactly how you would duck the issue...now we know.
She carried McCain! If not for her being on the ticket — to McCain’s credit — he would have been hair cut shorter more than a Marine recruit.
Like I said you are a moocher.
I'm right and you're still a liar and a smear merchant of the highest order.
Murkowski set aside $113 million for that bridge and HE spent the rest Bob, not Sarah Palin.
Of the $113 million, only $36 million was actually spent on it before Palin was able to kill it.
Even the DNC posted this info on their website after Sarah was nominated for VP. When the MSM started the Bridge uproar that your brother Howard Kurtz gleefully joined in, they pulled the page. Charles Johnson at LGF archived the page and still has it here. HERE'S THE DNC QUOTE:
The Gravina Island Bridge initially received $223 million in 2005 via earmarks by Alaska Senators Ted Stevens and Lisa Murkowski. The bridge would have connected Ketchikan, Alaska with its local airport on nearby Gravina Island (population 50). Congress stripped the earmark after a national uproar about it but appropriated the money anyway for unspecified transportation uses. Former Gov. Frank Murkowskis administration set aside about $113 million of the appropriation for the Ketchikan bridge. However, Gov. Sarah Palin said the $398 million bridge was $329 million short of full funding, and only $36 million in federal funds were set aside for it. She said it was clear Congress had little interest in spending any moremoney for it and that the state had higher priorities.So, Palin canceled the project because she didnt want to pony up any Alaskan sheckles for it AND after it became a political hot football, then stole the 233 million advanced from the US taxpayer.
Stop being a pathetic, lowlife, Palin-deranged moonbat, Bob.
Well, it's kind of hard for ordinary Joes to relate to the life of a movie star.
I guess it's tough when reality crashes your party and people ask real questions.
You have three options of reply...
1. Insult again.
2. Refuse to reply
3. Actually defend your statements of fact with detailed facts.
I know that number three is not really an option but, what the heck...
You are no less than a persistent street beggar and you ain’t getting more than what I already gave you for lunch.
Please educate me. The only two things I could find that stand out are her negotiations with the oil companies, most of which (and I say most, not all) I think were commendable. The second was that disastrous ethics legislation that she championed that was so poorly written it ended being the tool with which her opponents took her down. That discussion deserves a thread all of it's own.
“...her high rating with her constituents...”
Why wouldn't her rating be high after she doubled the amount of the checks the state wrote directly to the voters? I love this discussion about her approval ratings. They were in the low eighties when she was giving them free money but once the scandal involving her ex brother in law were fleshed out they dropped precipitously. When she left office after only 2 years they had gone from the 80’s to the low 50’s.
Do you REALLy want to talk about Palin’s approval ratings and why hey dropped so much so quickly?
...watched her go against the corrupt local politics & win...watched her fight the corruption in her own party & win”.
Please enlighten me on this. Palin supporters keep talking about how she went after corruption and put a bunch of people behind bars but my research shows that investigation was started and conducted by the Justice Department and the FBI. The investigation started years bfore she was Governor and the indictments were handed down BEFORE Palin was sworn in or right around there. Palin had NOTHING to do with this investigation that Palinsistas give her credit for.
Please show me where I am wrong about this. BTW - Couldn't Palin find at last ONE corrupt democrat to go after? Are there no sleazy dems in Alaska? Why was Palin’s complete and total focus on republicans?
People need to ask them self this question because the answer tells a lot about Palin and how she rose to power.
“...then watched her become one of the best Governors I've seen up here.”
I understand she is you're friend, but could you please define what “best Governor” means to you?
“I'm sure in your state, you all prefer letting the crooks in government steal it all though.”
I'm concerned about how the State of Alaska and it's Governors steal from the taxpayers in the other 49 states.
“We had a flood, washed half the town away at ice out. Palin flew in, walked all over the community by herself, no film crew or news people, just her style. She then jumped on a 4 wheeler and rode out a mud bog trail 7-8 miles by herself to visit the Indians who had lost everything they ever owned.”
So what. I don't have a desperate need for a President that knows how to drive a 4 wheeler. I want one that knows how to navigate the Byzantine halls of getting legislation passed or the treacherous waters of foreign policy.
I don't want a President that “is just like me”, I want one that's a whole lot smarter and more experienced. And I absolutely don't want one that is just like what I see as her supporters here. That scares the hell out of me.
“That's how for real Sarah Palin is.”
Palin is a politician. She lies, cheats and steals to get elected. Anyone treating their politicians differently are in for a bruising. My concern is you're blindness and devotion to what you believe is some kind of political messiah is going to get all of us bruised pretty badly.
“I'd vote for Palin if she was a dang democrat”
Tell sme all I need to know.
“...that's how honorable she is, one of a kind and I wish she was still our governor.”
Half of the voters of Alaska disagree with you.
“Polls taken in 2007 showed her with 93% and 89% popularity among all voters ...”
Then why did her popularity drop to the low 50’s by the time she resigned?
BTW - I think ANY Governor that writes a check over 3000 to each and every resident would get a 80-90% approval rating. How dumb do you think everyone is?
That is the problem with all of you guys who blindly push Palin as the last best hope for America...when the real questions get asked you all respond with insults.
Bob J — I bet that toxic smear PR campaign against Sarah must have cost many millions just in Alaska. Nationwide — many tens of millions. Vicious smear campaigns work ESPECIALLY well against the young and virtuous. It takes twenty solid years of somewhat famous public virtue to build up an immunity to them.
But part of it was also Sarah’s willingness to use up poll credits to get difficult initiatives underway.
” She said it was clear Congress had little interest in spending any moremoney for it and that the state had higher priorities.”
All this proves is that if Pain couldn’t suck off he teat of the taxpayers of the lower 49 for that bridge than she wasn’t interested in spending Alaskan tax money on an Alaskan bridge that Alaskans would be using.
In otherwordss, “if you’re not going to give it to us, then I’ll pick up my ball and go home.”
How fiscally conservative.
Not at all. I just know that the kinda vile dogies you are housing are never satisfied no matter how much you feed them.
I can see good in Reagan. Even greatness.
But you can see nothing but a mirror of some internal grudge about G-d knows what when you look at Palin, imo.
She still does.
... just know that the kinda vile dogies you are housing are never satisfied no matter how much you feed them.
So it is that a few decent bits from a somewhat junk source is GOOD ENOUGH for the likes of your current distemper.
If I lived in Arizona I’d vote JDH. But I appreciate Palin’s sense of loyalty. McCain is a real American, a hero at times, and a real character too. He’s been too long in DC by too many years though.
“But part of it was also Sarahs willingness to use up poll credits to get difficult initiatives underway.”
And what “difficult initiatives” were those?
Please, I want to be educated.
And is Palin’s endorsement and active campaigning and raising cash for McCain one of those “willingness to use up poll cedits” for the “fifficult initiative” of playing politics as usual to curry favor with the GOP elite and help her get the GOP nomination in ‘12?
Palin the “rogue” is now “Palin the business as usual” as long as it benefits her personally. People escuse this as “honoring her committment to McCain” and all I keep thinking to myself is why she isn’t honoring her committment to her supporters, her conservative ideology and even more important her public statements about cleaning congress of the RINO’s that are standing in the way?
Please explain to me, how is McCain any different than Scozzafava? I’ll tell you how, it was easy to throw Scozzfava under the bus because she was a lightweight and had nothing to offer Palin. McCain is powerful and important and she needs his support if she is to make a run at the presidency.
So Palin tosses her (and our) ideals under the bus because for Palin it’s all about Palin.
His accomplishments in the California Water Project, one of the great engineering feats of all time, dwarfed Palin's Bridge-to-Nowhere/Road-to-Nowhere fiascos.
I can’t help you when YOU are the only one who knows what your motive for your harpy-ism is.
When I read: "I've got the answers but don't feel like telling you", I'm reminded of talking to my eight year old when he knows that he doesn't actually have the answer.
Everybody here sees through that. We all know that if you had facts (real ones that can be proved) then you would run with them. You don't so you don't.
Everybody can do their own research, if they have an honest motive, they will out the truth for themselves. I can not do that for them or for you.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.