Skip to comments.Two Options Left, Stop It Ourselves or Revolution
Posted on 03/17/2010 1:30:57 PM PDT by TheNewPatriot
I see only one of two options to stop this hideous, onerous, and unconstitutional bill masquerading as healthcare reform. Know this, there is nothing, and I mean nothing in this bill that will reform, improve, or expand healthcare. If youre naïve enough to think otherwise, then youre beyond help and do not have the ability to think rationally nor do you understand the Constitution. Not only is the mandate in this bill unconstitutional to force FREE citizens (for now) to buy healthcare, so is the process theyre trying to use to ram this up our butt. What they are planning shreds the Constitution. If they plan on deeming (pretending) it passed, then I plan on deeming that I paid my taxes as well. If they want to play the game of lawlessness, then Im happy to join the game and play lawlessness as well. That means that there is no way in hell I am buying their healthcare and I am not paying their fine. So what remains? I will officially exercise my Second Amendment rights and I wont be going to jail either. You can figure out the rest, use you imagination. Think showdown at the OK corral when they come knocking.
Now, there are only two options left to stop this insanity of a government and a banana republic President (President, thats a joke, he has the credibility of a parasite, as far as Im concerned hes a piece of human excrement) run amuck and ignoring the majority of America. One, if they pass this, its game over and you better prepare for your new national anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kdwxFsthI&feature=related) because the land of the free will no longer exist and you better start thinking about another revolution like that of those who founded this country. That means exactly what you think. If you know anything about this countrys history (which is unlikely for most thanks to the land of academia), the revolution started for a lot less than what these Bolsheviks are planning with their assault on America. The other option since the Communists (formally the Democratic Party) refuse to listen to the people they represent (this is a representative republic, not a dictatorship or a socialist democracy) is to storm the house whenever they feel they are ready to vote and stop it ourselves. Truthfully, Im not really ready to take up arms, not until its the final recourse. So the last civil option and second to the last resort is to stop it ourselves. They cannot deny or use deadly force to stop the American public from entering that chamber. They do not own it, nor are we subservient to them. They work for us and its time to put that fear back in their arrogant minds. Which means if they won't do the job we want, and right now that means dropping this, then we only have one choice, stop it ourselves.
Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
Most Americans are too focused on getting their brackets right than care what is happening in DC.
Green Day was right for the wrong reasons.
If you are just advocating violent removal from office of the current occupants, that's not a revolution. That's rebellion, or a coup.
It's like it says in the Declaration:
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government
I'm all for altering our system. Are you? Otherwise, you are just advocating anarchy.
If a crowd happens to gather in Washington and surround the white house.. I will join them
I believe resetting to original intent counts as altering, abolishing, and instituting a new government because our current government is NOT the one outlined in the Constitution.
I support a revolution.
A more manageable option is secession.
If people haven’t revolted yet, they may never ever revolt.
What do you mean by resetting? What would you change?
It’s our political caste that is revolting; despicable scum to their core.
Did’nt a Rep.( I think King) say something about a “Velvet Revolution”. ( Don’t know if this would really work).Any way I’m just as frustrated as the everyone else... I had a crazy thought today, that I may be explaining to my children and grandchildren that once upon a time this country had a constitution that our Government went by. Of course it is the Once upon a time that scares me.
“Revolutions are used to replace a FORM of government with another form.”
Replacing our system with a government of limited powers would in fact be a change in the form of government.
I agree. The Constitution is a total failure when it comes to limited powers. That’s a proven fact. So, what shall we replace it with?
Something very similar but with real limits, I would hope.
I don’t think you can have both.
I think we can have individual freedom and limited government, I don’t think those are contradictory.
Actor Jon Voight is asking all liberty loving Americans to meet up in DC this Saturday, at noon, on the steps of the Capitol.
We can have those things, but we can’t have limited government under anything similar to our Constitution.
The basic framework of the Constitution and form of government (Representative Republic) I wouldn’t change. I would change various wordings to bring it up to date to modern vernacular though to make it easier to understand.
For example the 2nd Amendment would say something like “The rights of The People to keep and bear arms such as used in the defense of home, community and country shall not be infringed”
Leave the words “militia” out of it as that got perverted by politicians and wacko groups. Leave out “well regulated” as regulated now (laws saying what you can and can’t do) doesn’t mean the same as it did then (well trained, properly working, etc).
Add in the words “used in defense of home, community and country” to strike out anti-gunners saying the founders only intended us to have muzzle loaders. If the military and police have them, The People can have them.
I’m all for penalties (even very harsh ones) for using those weapons to commit crimes or destruction, but restricting law abiding people from having them to prevent possible future crimes is not what our founding fathers had in mind.
That’s just one thing I’d change (or reword) among many.
None of that requires a revolution. The Constitution provides an amendment process. If everyone resorted to revolution just because they couldn’t get an amendment passed, that wouldn’t be a very stable system.
Just called Salomon Ortiz’s Office and his lil butt boy laughed at me when I told him that if Salomon supports and votes for OBAMACARE and it passes “I will not comply” and will not pay the fines and will reject any deals... I will go to prison before I submit and I will not submit after that either.
(Went without saying that I wouldn’t vote for him or JR)
The government has much more fire power than the people. In the other revolution the people and the government were much closer to being even.
Those serving in the military who would support an action like this may be able to check out and return home but they wouldn’t be allowed to take their weapons. Those that remain like the current government and I don’t think it would be a fair fight.
Obama and his followers are going to do what they want and there’s nothing we can do about it. This great nation is great no more. It’s almost over. I hope I’m wrong.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Pass or Fail .. I WANT HEADS! This shall not pass into History as a simple little Bill, this has been an attack on our Nation from within that the MUZZIES could only dream about... I WANT HEADS!
Gov Goodhair best get back on his soap box and this time apply deeds with and to his words.
There are revolutions and there are rebellions, the former requiring organization, which in this country pretty much has to come from states, which we are seeing in the form of bills that declare independence from mandatory, federal healthcare, the tea party movement and so on. There is going to arms in the streets, but without organization and political purpose, that is just rebellion or anarchy. Who do you shoot, a cop, a soldier, a teacher, your neighbor, anyone with an Obama sticker...? That kind of insanity goes on in Third World countries all the time, and it doesn’t do them much good. There is passive resistance, like not paying taxes, not going to work, sit ins, marches, all of which have their place, but you need goals, social, political and economic targets, like changing the educational and information institutions, like the left did. The left has staged a slow but steady takeover of institutions for more than fifty years. The left owns our universities, most of our media, our public education and much of the day-by-day bureaucratic government, not to mention most of our federal agencies. The only way to get it all back is by winning hearts and minds and educating people to think and love liberty and getting liberty loving people into those positions. That will take generations of change and undoing what the left has done. It is happening in the media with FOX and the Internet, and the disconnect the American people have with the state media. We will have to have the same kind of movement with educators and our universities. ...Third party political movements may make statements, but they aren’t going to change the nation, other than making the job the left is doing easier for them. The left has had its fringe parties, but their goal has always been the complete takeover of the Democratic Party, and it has worked for them. Any serious conservative/constitutional revolution will require the complete takeover of the Republican Party, that requires getting people involved with local politics and political organizing, cities, counties, state and federal government. There has been a revolution going on in this country and internationally that has worked very well, and we on the right would do well to look at how it has worked, because that revolution’s benefactors control Washington right now, and they control the education of our young people. Turning this tide is going go require a lot of planning, hard work and patience. The left has almost won the war, and if we lose the battle of 2010 and 2012, they may get it all. Let’s spend our time and energy wisely, towards winning some elections and displacing the left, fighting them politically and culturally and moving people back towards liberty and sanity.
The rank and file would probably return home, rather than fight against their parents, who are likely conservatives.
The real question is, what would the Generals do? That is why the removal of Zeyala in Honduras was successful...the Generals supported it.
A parallel government needs to be established so that they could step in immediately.
The constitution is NOT a total failure- it is a nearly perfect way to run a country
We have just elected people who choose to ignore it
MAKE THAT A POST ON ITS OWN
I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT
Why not start the gathering rather than waiting for someone else so that you can join in?
There are others.
1. The courts
2. The states
3. The underground economy
4. 2010 election
It is important that you get involved in the 2010 election. Quit looking at the effing White House or even the Federal govt all the time and trying to go for the brass ring.
The Founders set up a divided govt for a reason. Exploit it. GET INVOLVED IN YOUR STATE ELECTIONS!!!!
There are already states moving to nullify health care. If we have conservative majorities in enough of them - what will Obama do? Send out the military? States have national guards and can call up citizens to the militia.
Same with the county. Your county sheriff is the highest ranking public official in your county. Make sure you have friendly leaders.
There is no time for crying, whining, getting PO’d, or going thru a bunch of dramatics. Get involved, develop some strategy.
This won’t be won by blunt shovel tactics. We gotta get smart.
They'll put liens on your property first.
The Constitution as a government of limited powers is an abject failure. 200 years—the verdict is in.
I don’t think it’s been ignored as much as it’s been used to national advantage. I think the obvious flaws and loopholes have been continually exploited, all using the powers granted by the system (e.g., judicial review).
There are several civil options available through the state legislatures. Thirty-three states, maybe more, have already started some form of anullment of the HealthScare non-Bills. Two govornors, VA and ID, have signed, and more will be along shortly.
Several states have passed and signed into law some form of prohibitions against federal interference in their intrastate firearm business. More will be along shortly.
About 99% of everything the federal government does is unconstitutional, and the state legislatures and governors, working together, have the powers to rein in the insanity. They need to use it, and there is no time to waste.
The people and the states have to declare, and keep declaring, their sovereignty over their federal creature, ever reminding their federal creature that, "we brought you into this world, and we can take you out of it, or replace you with a more obedient set of employees."
Before the bullets start to fly—why not hold a National Strike—No one works, goes to school, all roads and highways closed from traffic. Let the streets be filled with singing mobs of patriots. Out congressmen should be burned in effegee
as well as the president the Joker-in-Chief. Close down the nation for a week. All governmental offices closed. It works in Europe. No one should buy anything outside of food.
This is from a 2007 contact list of congressional aides. Some might not be there any longer, but worth a try.
Contact congressional aides.
U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121
U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121
White House comments: (202) 456-1111
Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep
Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
Toll free to the US Senate:
1-800-882-2005. (Spanish number)
1-800-417-7666. (English number)
Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!
Defeat Obamacare call list: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts. Be sure to call KNOWN RINOS too.THEY ARE ANSWERING THEIR LOCAL NUMBERS
Here is one of the ones Rush gave out on the radio that Im calling. So far its been busy but Im going to burn it up till I get to tell my congress critter to vote NO!
Join me?..... 1-877-762-8762
KEEP THE CALLS UP! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE
CODE RED Contact list http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/
Remember they are all being offered BRIBES for their votes. Ask them how much their bribe price is.
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obamas announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the fixer bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
Dennis Kucinish, Lakewood 216)228-8850, Fax (216)228-6465,
Parma. 440)845-2707, Fax (440)845-2743, DC (202)225-5871
James Oberstar (202) 225-6211, Duluth (218) 727-7474, Chisholm (218) 254-5761, Brainerd (218) 828-4400, North Branch, (651) 277-1234
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
James Matheson Toll-Free Number 1 (877) 677-9743 (202) 225-3011Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928,
Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)
On the Bubble (Major developments from the yes and no columns in the House)
Congressional Dems on Twitter
And here are toll-free numbers we can use to call any Senators or Reps.
At the first number below you must wait through a tape recording urging you to tell your Rep or Senator to vote yes for the health care bill. Just hang on and when the recording is over, you will get the Capitol operator. Just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Then you will either talk to an aid or have the chance to leave a message for him/her to vote NO on the health care bill.
When you use the second number and the Capitol operator comes on, just ask for your Rep or Senators office. Every time I use this number I get the Rep or Senators answer machine, so it may be set up that way all the time...to go to their answer machine. Either way you can leave a message to vote NO on the health care bill!
We need to use these toll free numbers that have been set up for the health care/ BO supporters and illegals to use! After all they are FREE!
1-800-828-0498 , 1-866-220-0044, 1-866-338-1015, 877-851-6437, 877-210-5351
“I agree. The Constitution is a total failure when it comes to limited powers. Thats a proven fact. So, what shall we replace it with?”
I don’t know. The progressives may have found the fatal flaw in any system of representative limited government. If, somehow, we could make America limited government again, the odds are that a generation or two from now, a new group of progressives would blow the whole thing up again, with the consent of the governed. They just keep trying and eventually they get enough power for enough time to ruin things.
If you have to look at a turning point in American history, it was when women got to vote. I know that’s not PC. But the progressive argument has consistently made sense to women and gotten very little traction among men. The progressive experiment in America probably never would have occurred had the franchise been limited to men.
Women’s suffrage seemed and seems like a really good idea. But objectively it may have been the single decision America made that relegated a republic of limited powers to the dustbin of history.
The American revolution was pretty much a single point in history. Revolutions usually end up a lot less successful than the American revolution, even if well-intended (by that I mean the French revolution was a well-intended failure but the Russian revolution was evil thru and thru—and a failure also). Sooner or later, even if the intention is good, here comes Robespierre.
The key to limiting government is to not create a big one. That was the mistake of the framers. They thought they could keep the lion in the cage, when in reality you just can't allow there to be a lion.
A confederacy of states is the way to go. Let the progressives f up their own states. No national government---just a confederation. No house of reps. No direct taxes. Expressed powers only. No permanent judiciary.
You may be right that people will screw up whatever system they get. It's possible some problems simply don't have solutions. I just think creating a national republic was a mistake, and begged for trouble when they could have/should have simply amended the old confederation.
“Btw, you’re the second poster today who’s written me lamenting the 19th amendment. lol. I used to say “Repeal the 19th!” in my tagline.
You may be right that people will screw up whatever system they get. It’s possible some problems simply don’t have solutions. I just think creating a national republic was a mistake, and begged for trouble when they could have/should have simply amended the old confederation.”
I don’t mention the 19th very often. It’s not a very popular point of view. It usually means its time for duck and cover.
I think the Jews of the Old Testament got it right. Men just keeps rebuilding the Tower of Babel and it just keeps falling down. Each time, the builders think they got it right this time.
I'm inclined to agree.
Midnight on a carousel ride
Reaching for the brass ring,
Never could reach it
Just slips away
But I try...
“Before the bullets start to flywhy not hold a National StrikeNo one works, goes to school, all roads and highways closed from traffic. Let the streets be filled with singing mobs of patriots. Out congressmen should be burned in effegee
as well as the president the Joker-in-Chief. Close down the nation for a week. All governmental offices closed. It works in Europe. No one should buy anything outside of food.”
It goes in the right direction, but it won’t work. Not enough people participate to make it worth while.
The founders of this nation did not start the revolution and move toward independence. They materialized it. It is something that grew for decades. During those many years, the founders and their predecessors tried every single means toward reform. They petitioned, they begged. They did not one day just up and decide to start shooting Redcoats. They tried it all. And it ALL FAILED. It failed like it always fails. It always fails because the master or ruling entity has no reason whatsoever to negotiate or accommodate the weak. There’s no incentive either. The will just let you protest, and strike (depriving your family of money) while knowing that they are the master and you are a slave and are too afraid to rise up.
The Articles of Confederation were beyond repair. That is why the great Framers devised our beloved Constitution.
In the absense of reason, one can always resort to moony sentimentalism. Here's some mushy artwork to go along with it. Look at the cute ducks! Isn't that nice!
Patrick Henry never offered changes to repair the Articles of Association and neither can you.