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Frum: Republican Waterloo
moderatevoice ^ | March 21, 2010 | JOE WINDISH

Posted on 03/22/2010 5:53:57 AM PDT by ironangel

Former Bush speechwriter David Frum says it’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the GOP disaster. And he blames this “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s” on conservatives and Republicans:

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

Do you think maybe we’ll see the re-emergence of some moderate Republicans?

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When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.
1 posted on 03/22/2010 5:53:58 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: ironangel

When Frum went gay on us didn’t he also start working for the fascists?


2 posted on 03/22/2010 5:55:28 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: ironangel

Frum is a nut.


3 posted on 03/22/2010 5:56:15 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: ironangel

I am not buying it.
Rush knows theres plenty to get angry about. He makes hay even when the sun is not shining


4 posted on 03/22/2010 5:56:36 AM PDT by winodog (We've got more people voting for a living than we do working for a living.")
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To: ironangel

That doesn’t even make sense.


5 posted on 03/22/2010 5:57:08 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: ironangel

Frum is a maroon, a squishy unprincipled moderate, who had a lived during the time of the Revolutionary war, would have been arguing for offering the British some sort of “compromise”.

We lost a battle. The war is by no means over.


6 posted on 03/22/2010 5:57:40 AM PDT by webschooner (Lincoln Freed the Slaves ... Obama Enslaves the Free)
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To: webschooner

HA..Frum is a joke. This article is a joke. Health care is NOT. So bugger off Frum.


7 posted on 03/22/2010 5:58:38 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: ironangel

Rush wants conservatism to succeed, period.


8 posted on 03/22/2010 5:58:40 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: ironangel

What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.


So....let me get this straight. Rush wants Obama to fail, but he also wants the GOP to fail? Unless he wants both sides to fail, one of these must not be true. I am not a regular Rush listener, but I have listened to him for almost 20 years. I don’t buy for a second that Rush wants a more Socialist country just so he can get a bigger audience. Someone who is THAT manipulative would have done much better with women that Rush has.


9 posted on 03/22/2010 5:58:58 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: muawiyah

FRUM SCUM


10 posted on 03/22/2010 5:59:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: ironangel
Nice to see the collaborationists coming out of the woodwork already. Freedom lovers have never made deals with, or accomodated, totalitarians, fascists or dictators. The Iron Curtain, and with it the Soviet Union, fell because this nation, under Ronald Reagan, would not make the final accomodations to the Soviet Union to accept that it would exist in perpetuity. Solidarnosc did not make fatal accomodations with the Polish communist party. We never made fatal accomodations with the Nazis or the Japanese Empire, even though plenty here at home called for such accomodation.

Why on Earth should we make accomodations with our own home-grown fascists?


11 posted on 03/22/2010 6:00:26 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: ironangel
Your comment indicates too many traps where your forehead hit the HUD!

Get real!

12 posted on 03/22/2010 6:00:56 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: ironangel

Do you think maybe we’ll see the re-emergence of some moderate Republicans?

Not very likely Frum, there are too many in the Congress now. Any more and we would become another arm of the democrat party, which I think is what you think we ought to be doing.


13 posted on 03/22/2010 6:01:45 AM PDT by wita
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To: The_Victor

Dittos.


14 posted on 03/22/2010 6:02:21 AM PDT by adc (Rush '12All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: webschooner

Frum is what is wrong with the RINOs. They just want to become the Democrat lite party. 40% of Americans self-describe themselves as conservatives or twice the number who say they are liberals. The problem with the GOP is that they have failed to distinguish themselves from the Dems on the major challenges facing this country. The voter must choose between tweedledum and tweedledee.


15 posted on 03/22/2010 6:02:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ironangel
When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry.

Oh, poor, poor David, who has been around Democrats and RINOs so long that he can see nothing except through a cynical lens.
17 posted on 03/22/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: ironangel

Frum is literally the biggest jackass I have ever seen in my lifetime. This idiot is translating a very unpopular bill passing as a victory. In face, the party in power was placed there 18 months ago, and basically has destroyed all that good will in the time since. Every election since then and every poll in the past nine months proves this bozo wrong. The people lose here, not the GOP. the GOP and people are now all on the same team.


18 posted on 03/22/2010 6:04:14 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: webschooner
Mark Steyn had something to say about David Frum.
19 posted on 03/22/2010 6:04:34 AM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: ironangel

I can’t wait to hear Rush tomorrow morning, my time, via Rush 24/7.


20 posted on 03/22/2010 6:04:47 AM PDT by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: ironangel

Obama got the bill passed, but he failed the American people.

So Obama DID fail.

Frum can cram it up his elitist arse.


21 posted on 03/22/2010 6:05:10 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: ironangel
Wow. Frum is modest.

NONE of us should begrudge either Frum, Mitt Romney or their Legion of attacking RomneyBOTs.
Last night was the win of Frum, Romney, and the
other antiPalin RomneyBOTs.

ROMNEYCARE IS OBAMACARE.


Frum: "I will support (Romney) without qualm."


"Romney presidential campaign staffers…have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters."

"Frum ... (Romney supporter called Gov. Palin’s) nomination a "huge mistake" October 13 (2008)"


" 80 percent of Romney's former staff was absorbed by McCain
and these individuals were responsible for what amounts
to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."


"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off
….hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."


"the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
... was Nicolle Wallace's husband."


"Peeking Out From the McCain Wreckage: Mitt Romney"

"Someone's got to say it: IS MITT ROMNEY RESPONSIBLE FOR OBAMA'S VICTORY?"

"Vanity: Team Romney Sabotaged Palin and Continuing to Do So?"

"Romney Supporters Trashing Palin"

"Romney advisors sniping at Palin?"

22 posted on 03/22/2010 6:06:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ironangel
You know Frum, biting the ankle of the guy carrying your weight is just not a manly thing to do.

I mean just imagine if you had written as many columns ripping Obama and pointing out his connections to Ayers and Alinsky and Jeremiah Wright as you have ripping Limbaugh and conservatives, or praising 0's articulation and style? Maybe we wouldn't have had this health care joke.

It's still not too late. How about some columns on how mandating health insurance coverage with IRS thugs to enforce is unconstitutional and unAmerican?

I won't hold my breath.

23 posted on 03/22/2010 6:06:32 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: ironangel
“most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s”

That will be the Dems this November.
24 posted on 03/22/2010 6:06:59 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Thrownatbirth

Frum and the person he was writing for were nothing more than a Vichy government in the US.


25 posted on 03/22/2010 6:07:44 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: ironangel

If this was so beloved, why did only 219/431 votefor it? (50.8% is NOT overwhelming support)


26 posted on 03/22/2010 6:07:49 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: ironangel
Jame Carevell is that you?

Find it odd how certain "Conservatives" no matter what the issue never find any reason to attack the Left but always seek some reason to shoot their own political allies in the back.

So which Leftist clown posse do you and Frum work for? Moveon.org? ActUp? SEIU? Organizing for America?

Freepers are too smart to fall for this idiotic drivel. We know who are friends are, we know who are enemies are. Rush is on our side, Frum is not. Since you choose Frum's idiotic drivel, apparently you aren't either.

27 posted on 03/22/2010 6:08:07 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
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To: ironangel

Is Frum secretly a woman? I don’t mean to insult women, by the way, many of whom are tougher than he is.


28 posted on 03/22/2010 6:08:37 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: ironangel

I followed the link, was this posted so we could know our enemy? Why would anyone listen to moderates after yesterdays vote? Their appeasement and entitlement attitude help make us into a Socialist America. Moderates and Democrats (ALL Dems) need to be dropped off in the Amazon jungle so they can build their utopia or be eaten by the animals. Better yet sunk off the coast on on some old ships to create new coral reefs, at least than moderates and liberals would be useful. Boy that felt good to vent!


29 posted on 03/22/2010 6:08:50 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: ironangel

David Frum is a nudnick, idiotic, quisling, man of no principle, easily duped, and pawn of the left. And he’s a poofter, to boot.


30 posted on 03/22/2010 6:08:56 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ironangel

Frum is an IDIOT.

Trying to make a deal with the Democrats would be like a Cambodian peasant trying to make a deal with a Khmer Rouge firing squad when all they want you to do is die.


31 posted on 03/22/2010 6:09:40 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The Constitution is the issue, other issues are small potatoes. If we fail none will matter.)
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To: ironangel

People of Frum’s ilk detest real conservatives, esp. Christians and the Tea Party crowd. To Frum, they are the real enemy - not Democrats.


32 posted on 03/22/2010 6:09:46 AM PDT by randita (Sarah Palin has the same computer that I have.)
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To: ironangel
Actually Rush said he wanted Obama’s policies to fail.
33 posted on 03/22/2010 6:10:18 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: Maurice Tift

This guy is so far out on a limb with this article and the one you linked to, I’m wondering why I haven’t followed him a bit more closely just to see if he is consistently stupid.


34 posted on 03/22/2010 6:10:41 AM PDT by wita
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To: ironangel

What an utterly asinine article. Pure garbage from someone who has not looked down the road any farther than his nose. Rush wanting the GOP to lose because if they won there would be fewer listeners is the most absurd thing I’ve read this morning. What this a.. fails to recognize is that because we lost, there will ultimately be, at some point, NO DISPOSABLE Income to support the sponsers. What an idiot. Our whole economic system has been derailed and this smuck writes that Rush wanted the Republicans to fail. Frum YOU ARE AN IDIOT.


35 posted on 03/22/2010 6:11:15 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (II Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ironangel

David, we’d all be better off, and you’d be happier, if you would just be done with it and immolate yourself.


36 posted on 03/22/2010 6:11:19 AM PDT by dps.inspect
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To: dps.inspect

Well blame all the republicans instead of the folks that did it? Odd reality he lives in. Sounds like a Liberal to me?


37 posted on 03/22/2010 6:12:58 AM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: ironangel

Welcome to FR troll, this is your tenth post since your 1999 sign up and you attack Rush Limbaugh and conservative talk radio with it.


38 posted on 03/22/2010 6:15:47 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: ironangel
re: “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s”

No, it's not! The Democrats have a comfortable majority in the House. That's the way politics work. The majority pretty much gets done what they want to get done.

Fact is, more Democrats voted with the Republicans than the other way around. It would be a “crushing legislative defeat” had the numbers of Dems vs Republicans been more nearly equal. But with the significant majority the Democrats enjoy in the House passing anything by only 4 votes is a defeat for the majority.

39 posted on 03/22/2010 6:16:51 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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Really!! and what is it that Frum is wanting anyway? A bunch of John McCains running around DC congratulating the opposition for beating their pants off... OH how collegial, how gentlemanly, how pleasant it would be if we could all have a pony like John McCain!!


40 posted on 03/22/2010 6:16:58 AM PDT by dps.inspect
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To: ironangel

Riiight!!Obama and the libtards are totally blameless in this battle because the Republicans were not bipartisan enough.


41 posted on 03/22/2010 6:17:42 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: ansel12

Yep Ironangle looks to be just another Moveon.org Faux “Conservative”


42 posted on 03/22/2010 6:17:54 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
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To: ironangel
Do you think maybe we’ll see the re-emergence of some moderate Republicans?

"Moderate" Republicans are the reason we have reached this point in the first place. What rock has Frum been living under for the past six years?
43 posted on 03/22/2010 6:19:58 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: ironangel

Frum = Is a COMMIE


44 posted on 03/22/2010 6:20:06 AM PDT by Three if by government
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To: ironangel

Whose side is Frum on?


45 posted on 03/22/2010 6:20:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rbg81

People have been saying things like this about Rush for years. Rush’s popularity just keeps on growing.


46 posted on 03/22/2010 6:22:52 AM PDT by ShandaLear (The price of Obamacare? 30 pieces of silver.)
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To: ironangel

This is such cr*p! Rush doesn’t need any more money you jerk!


47 posted on 03/22/2010 6:25:59 AM PDT by italyconservative (So ready for 2010! Takin' it to the streets!)
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To: ironangel

What is left unsaid by the rats taking over healthcare cannot be posted.


48 posted on 03/22/2010 6:27:52 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Congress is out of order!)
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To: ironangel
This is an idiotic article that is only matched by your equally idiotic comment.

Clearly you do NOT listen to Limbaugh. Limbaugh doesn't need ratings, nor does he need any more money...he could quit now and live quite comfortably off of his earnings. Your understanding of what motivates Limbaugh is baseless.

We've been stung by the Obamacare vote, so you hop on your computer the next morning and do what? Try to initiate in-fighting? Try to start some finger pointing?

49 posted on 03/22/2010 6:27:56 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: ironangel
Frum likes the frog in the pot technique. Put a frog in a pot of water, turn on the heat, frog adjusts, keep adding heat, frog adjust to point of death.

Frum prefers conservatives act like frogs and cede ground, take ground, but slowly we are pulled to the left. That is moderation. Standing up for doing what is best for our country or .....eureka!...the constitution is a detriment. I think we have played nice far too long.

50 posted on 03/22/2010 6:28:45 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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