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Palinís Support of McCain: Not A Mathematical-Political Equivalence
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Posted on 03/27/2010 1:48:22 PM PDT by reasonisfaith

Anyone who abandons support for Sarah Palin because she campaigned for McCain is going to have to demonstrate a bit of consistency. Otherwise, sincerity and honesty are liable to come into question.

The argument can be reduce to this core notion: Palin’s support of McCain means she is equivalent to McCain. In other words, in political terms she is the same thing as McCain.

So if this is the way things are supposed to be done, of course we will have to abandon support for anyone else supporting McCain in the Arizona primary. Maybe this will make some of us slow down a bit.

But that’s not all. Because if support for McCain bestows a sort of mathematical, political equivalence with him, then that equivalence carries through with even more distant political alliances. By which I mean, we will be forced to reject any particular politician x who supports Palin, and by the same means we must reject any politician y who supports politician x. And for any politician z who supports politician y, you’re not getting our vote either.

If we are to be consistent, we must identify the chain of support all the way down the line. Because the entire chain is defined by the initial link. The initial link which is Palin’s support of McCain.

So it never ends in this game of political equivalence, until all the dominoes have fallen. Silly at best, self destructive at worst. I think the error in judgment took place in the beginning, with the conclusion that Palin’s support of McCain somehow transformed her into McCain himself.

It’s a form of tunnelvision--an inability to comprehend the importance of the larger context--otherwise known as a lack of common sense.

And then there are the socialists disguised as conservative posters, whose life agenda is to thwart Sarah Palin. They aim to stop her or any other Reagan-like individual who would threaten to save our country from Marxism.

A much better approach is to slow down and look at the individual, making a common sense judgment of their standing based on their entire record. And always focus on principles.


TOPICS: Education; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
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Sarah Palin is not John McCain, a fact based on her record as well as her rhetoric. She is a high-value target, and her enemies are posing as conservatives on this site. Don’t be fooled by them.

This vanity comes entirely from an idea by another Freeper: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2481051/posts?page=15#15

1 posted on 03/27/2010 1:48:23 PM PDT by reasonisfaith
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To: counterpunch; Batman11; TCH; Blue Highway; grannyheart2000; J Edgar; arbooz; 3722535r; ICAB9USA; ...

The anti-Palin nuts are trying a bit too hard on this one.


2 posted on 03/27/2010 1:54:37 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: rintense

(used your idea)


3 posted on 03/27/2010 1:55:49 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: reasonisfaith

yep, Can anyone say that Michelle Bachmann is polluted because she said that she likes Sarah and asked her to campaign for in two weeks on two fundraisers and rallies? of course not.......most of those attacking have a history of leaning for another candidate, just check their post history, it tells you who they support!!!!


4 posted on 03/27/2010 1:59:20 PM PDT by Bigtigermike (Loose lips sink ships, stay away RINO's)
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To: reasonisfaith
LOL.

I told you on the other thread.

Palin is not running for office. Defending Palin's support for McCain is the same as defending McCain.

Who cares if the libs are trashing her. She holds no political office and therefore carries no legislative power. In fact, she gave up that power.

You are trying to equate two different things. We supported Palin only because she was better than McCain.

Now you want us to support McCain again, because of Palin, over a better candidate - Hayworth.

You can't have it both ways.

5 posted on 03/27/2010 2:00:56 PM PDT by raybbr (I hate B(ig) H(ead) Obama)
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To: reasonisfaith
It is because of what she is doing for McCain that makes me like here even more.
I know she has her views that don't necessarily coincide with John's but she is honest, loyal, and has the integrity of a future leader.
Unwilling to throw McCain under the bus.
6 posted on 03/27/2010 2:03:26 PM PDT by lucky american (If you think the Libs care about your health.....LOLOLOL)
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To: raybbr

Actually, Palin is not equivalent to McCain. Her support of him is not eqivalent to his political identity.

Please read the initial posting before replying to a thread.


7 posted on 03/27/2010 2:16:08 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: reasonisfaith
Actually, Palin is not equivalent to McCain. Her support of him is not eqivalent to his political identity. Please read the initial posting before replying to a thread.

I never said she was the equivalent.

But, thanks for posting from

8 posted on 03/27/2010 2:19:35 PM PDT by raybbr (I hate B(ig) H(ead) Obama)
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To: reasonisfaith

She’s in a tough spot. How can she not campaign for him after he helped put her on the national stage.


9 posted on 03/27/2010 2:24:26 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: reasonisfaith; All

I totally agree .. Palin is nothing like McCain.

I do feel that he is USING HER because he knows he’s in BIG, BIG trouble .. and he also knows she can draw the crowds.

While McCain may talk a good game, he rarely lives up to his words. Palin on the other hand, is the opposite. She promised him she would campaign for his senate race if he did not win the presidency. I don’t believe that at the time she made the promise, that she had been attacked so badly by the McCain campaign - who were jealous of her popularity with the public. I will forever be curious why McCain didn’t stop them .. was he jealous of her himself ..??

My concern is two-fold. I’m curious where the fickle public will stand if McCain wins, or if McCain loses. Will they dump her because McCain wins; or will they say she’s a loser if McCain loses. Can’t figure that out.

As for me, I still support her because I understand her need to keep her word, even at her own expense.


10 posted on 03/27/2010 2:25:02 PM PDT by CyberAnt (HEALTHCARE IS NOT A "RIGHT"!!)
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To: reasonisfaith

Ms. Palin does not have the right to try to include the TEA Party as a supporter of John McCain. She needs to leave the TEA Party out of her speeches extolling him. I resent, as a TEA Party member, her speech yesterday at a rally for him in AZ.


11 posted on 03/27/2010 2:32:55 PM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: winkadink

Based on your thought process, I think you should be required by law to take an exam before voting.


12 posted on 03/27/2010 2:37:26 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: reasonisfaith

She will have to re-establish her conservative status by denouncing McCain’s views on amnesty. Then all will be forgiven!


13 posted on 03/27/2010 2:44:29 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat
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To: reasonisfaith
"...if support for McCain bestows a sort of mathematical, political equivalence with him...'

This is getting as bad as the evo/crevo and north/south civil war threads; please try, just once, to understand and get off of the high horse.

There isn't any "mathematical, political, or other formula involved!

To support McPain is anathema to approximately half of those on FR.
To support McPain is to work against the other hopeful - who happens actually to be a conservative.
Running RINOs as an expedient got us Obama and the Governator(!)
Palin should be doing everything in her power to position herself for a run in 2012 - if she intends to do so - and stumping for Juan isn't positioning her anywhere but on a losing streak.
For that matter, and regardless that her supporters try to insist otherwise, her presentations so far have not progressed beyond campaign generalities and do NOT suggest that she has any valid concepts as to what needs to be done or even what she is facing.
It is too early to marry your vote to any single candidate, I have preferences as well but I will not preclude anyone who comes up with a better plan.

Finally, for the same reasons that the Huskster crowd and social conservative bloc drove away support from the larger body of conservative voters, your insistent denigration of anyone who does not share your fetish is irritating, juvenile, and counter productive.

14 posted on 03/27/2010 2:51:21 PM PDT by norton
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To: reasonisfaith

President Palin can call in some politcal chits with McCain when she’ll need them.


15 posted on 03/27/2010 2:52:51 PM PDT by frankenMonkey ("Natural Born Citizen" - US Constitution, 1787; "Words have meaning" - Barack Obama, 2009)
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To: norton

I’m not precluding anyone either.

I’m only saying that Palin cannot be equated with McCain’s RINOism simply because she campaigns for his conservative principles.

I have yet to see a well thought-out response to the true assertion that her failing to campaign for him would have brought much worse on her.


16 posted on 03/27/2010 2:58:18 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: norton

And let me see your list of politicians who have supported RINOs, and your statement that you will no longer support them.

Remember to include anyone who has supported the ones who supported RINOs, and the ones who supported the ones who supported the ones who supported RINOs, and so on.


17 posted on 03/27/2010 3:02:21 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: raybbr

That’s pretty good. Some of you guys are funny.

But I don’t think you can take me on without resorting to ridicule or silliness.


18 posted on 03/27/2010 3:03:38 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: norton

Our country is being overthrown, and you’re crying about getting off the “high horse?”

Look at the facts, buddy! Palin knows how to take the country back, and she will!

Forget McCain.


19 posted on 03/27/2010 3:17:21 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Bottom line, socialism cannot be sold on its own merits because it’s nothing but a worthless junk of an ideology.

The socialist cannot recruit people to their cause by offering the opportunity to intrude into the lives of others, reject absolute truth or wallow in the cesspool of envy. Or the promise that you can pretend to care about the completely fraudulent notion of social justice because you’re really in love with yourself above all else. Even less, the chance to live life gazing in self-adoration into the narcissistic pool of “social justice.”

Although McCain has been gazing into that pool—which is the source of all political corruption—for many years, Palin gives every indication that she has resisted it.

And her support of McCain cannot be equated with his rino style of politics.


20 posted on 03/27/2010 3:27:38 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Show me one example where the results of Democrat policy are not the opposite of what they promise.)
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