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Ok, so Barak Hussein Obama, AKA Barry Soetoro, is not a natural born U.S. citizen, so what?

Posted on 03/28/2010 3:11:41 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8

Ok, basically, unable to sleep and this has been rolling around my head for days, and I'm increasingly annoyed by conservatives, and as pissed at liberals as I can ever recall being. If this below is true, then what? If it's bogus, I can't find it on Snopes or Truth or Fiction. If this is on those sites as bogus for God's sake someone please post where, cause the b*****d is still President, so if it's true, hmph. Maybe someone else can find it. But first things first, IF this below is true, then...???

Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya Soetoro, and 9 year old Barry Soetoro. This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro.

Name: Barry Soetoro Religion: Islam Nationality: Indonesian

How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America?

PART 2: In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document provides the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking - that he is NOT a natural-born citizen of the United States - necessary to be President of these United States. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya, here we see that there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship. Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still on-going but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused comment on this matter.


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SO, IF that's ALL true, what? IF this Gary Kreep guy is legit, how long does it REALLY take to prove something like this? A one plus year long investigation seems questionable. IF all of the above is true, where are all the wealthy conservatives? Why aren't they filing suit? There must be SOME suit that can be filed against Obama IF it's true. Running for public office under an assumed name? Perjury; as he lied about being a citizen under oath as he took the oath of office, violating Article II of the Constitution which prohibits foreign born persons from running for President or VP. Breach of contract, as taking the oath is a contract with the country, and if he was not born in Hawaii or the other 49 states, he's breached that contract by flatly lying and omitting facts. There must be SOME kind of law that he could be sued over. Or at the very least, why doesn't some rich conservative slander and libel Obama SO viciously in public about this that Obama has to sue them for slander and libel, then have it proven in court that Obama is not a citizen. The lack of a slander and libel suit would prove to illustrate that someone is telling the truth, since only a total moron would sue someone for libel and/or slander KNOWING they're really telling the truth, since the suit would verify the claims and put them on the record as factual. Why doesn't Limbaugh, or Perot, or ANYONE, someone with both conservative convictions, a platform, and money to back it up, file suit and be done with all the rhetoric and bulls**t. I am 100% behind the Tea Party movement and have been solidly conservative politically since long before I could vote, but at the same time, as a 38 year old parent of two, I am beyond sick of the bulls**t. If the b*****d is lying and is not a citizen, why don't the people wiht the money and platform to take it on, DO IT and stop talking about it! ALL conservatives with money and a voice do is TALK TALK TALK! Where's the f*****g action? I have no money for that. I have no voice or platform to do it. All I have is my family which liberal extremists would easily target and destroy if someone like me does this. But there are plenty of rich powerful conservative who are immune to that kind of thing because of their money and power and positions. Yet all they do is run their mouths. Where's the action? This man is 16 months into his term as Premier, or President, whichever you prefer to call him, and has just used that office to pass Commiecare, the most horrible debt making socialistic takeover of industry and violation of the Constitution in the nation's history. Makes Social Security look like McCarthyism. Give the clear evidence that Obama is a flat out socialist, not even conservative to be an extreme liberal, where's the wealthy powerful conservative people the past year using the legal system to remove Obama from office and put an end to this? Please explain how it's not as simple as getting a conservative Judge to issue a subpoena to be served at the White House demanding Obama provide an original certified copy of his birth certificate, or be held in contempt and go from there. The President is not immune to being held in contempt of court for violating a court order. Especially if there's reason to believe he's in violation of Article II of the Constitution by holding the office. So all this rah rah conservative bulls**t tells me one of two things. Either Obama is a citizen but him and all his people are simply the stupidest effers on the face of the Earth for not putting it to rest long ago, OR, he's not a citizen and not a single conservative person with money and a platform to be heard has the b***s to stand up, file suit against Obama, and do something about it. Either way I'm totally disgusted and fed up with all the talking and b******g and moaning, and the total absence of someone filing suit and doing something that actually matters, putting their butt on the line instead of just talking about it. Because all the talk in the world will simply get us two and a half more years of commiebama, give or take ANOTHER four after that, and we won't even frikkin recognize the damn country when he finally leaves. So what? Where's the damn law suits instead of all the damn talk? Are there any conservatives with money that can do more than talk? Cause I'm not seeing them. And I'm so far beyond disgusted seeing what this country is turning into I don't even know what to do anymore. This isn't the same country my family has fought in every war since the Revolution anymore. Not the country my father fought for. And from what I see, voting for the most conservative candidates I could for 20 years, and campaigning and volunteering before and after voting has done exactly squat when I see the state of the nation. So, if Obama's not a citizen, so what? cause no one is doing a damn thing about it but talk. And talk is like taking a dump. Everyone can do it and it deosn't matter.
1 posted on 03/28/2010 3:11:41 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8
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To: TexasPatriot8

Nothing is being done because it would embarass Nancy Pelosi. She had to certify his eligibility. Got it?


2 posted on 03/28/2010 3:14:45 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. — Thomas Jefferson


3 posted on 03/28/2010 3:17:07 AM PDT by dubie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

I see that you’ve I.D.’d a problem.

What are YOU going to do about it?


4 posted on 03/28/2010 3:17:14 AM PDT by raygun
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To: TexasPatriot8
I'm no grammarian ... but ...

SO, IF that's ALL true, what?

IF this Gary Kreep guy is legit, how long does it REALLY take to prove something like this? A one plus year long investigation seems questionable.

IF all of the above is true, where are all the wealthy conservatives? Why aren't they filing suit? There must be SOME suit that can be filed against Obama IF it's true.

Running for public office under an assumed name?
Perjury; as he lied about being a citizen under oath as he took the oath of office, violating Article II of the Constitution which prohibits foreign born persons from running for President or VP. Breach of contract, as taking the oath is a contract with the country, and if he was not born in Hawaii or the other 49 states, he's breached that contract by flatly lying and omitting facts.

There must be SOME kind of law that he could be sued over. Or at the very least, why doesn't some rich conservative slander and libel Obama SO viciously in public about this that Obama has to sue them for slander and libel, then have it proven in court that Obama is not a citizen.

The lack of a slander and libel suit would prove to illustrate that someone is telling the truth, since only a total moron would sue someone for libel and/or slander KNOWING they're really telling the truth, since the suit would verify the claims and put them on the record as factual. Why doesn't Limbaugh, or Perot, or ANYONE, someone with both conservative convictions, a platform, and money to back it up, file suit and be done with all the rhetoric and bulls**t.

I am 100% behind the Tea Party movement and have been solidly conservative politically since long before I could vote, but at the same time, as a 38 year old parent of two, I am beyond sick of the bulls**t. If the b*****d is lying and is not a citizen, why don't the people wiht the money and platform to take it on, DO IT and stop talking about it!

ALL conservatives with money and a voice do is TALK TALK TALK! Where's the f*****g action?

I have no money for that. I have no voice or platform to do it. All I have is my family which liberal extremists would easily target and destroy if someone like me does this. But there are plenty of rich powerful conservative who are immune to that kind of thing because of their money and power and positions. Yet all they do is run their mouths. Where's the action?

This man is 16 months into his term as Premier, or President, whichever you prefer to call him, and has just used that office to pass Commiecare, the most horrible debt making socialistic takeover of industry and violation of the Constitution in the nation's history.

Makes Social Security look like McCarthyism.

Give the clear evidence that Obama is a flat out socialist, not even conservative to be an extreme liberal, where's the wealthy powerful conservative people the past year using the legal system to remove Obama from office and put an end to this?

Please explain how it's not as simple as getting a conservative Judge to issue a subpoena to be served at the White House demanding Obama provide an original certified copy of his birth certificate, or be held in contempt and go from there. The President is not immune to being held in contempt of court for violating a court order. Especially if there's reason to believe he's in violation of Article II of the Constitution by holding the office.

So all this rah rah conservative bulls**t tells me one of two things. Either Obama is a citizen but him and all his people are simply the stupidest effers on the face of the Earth for not putting it to rest long ago, OR, he's not a citizen and not a single conservative person with money and a platform to be heard has the b***s to stand up, file suit against Obama, and do something about it.

Either way I'm totally disgusted and fed up with all the talking and b******g and moaning, and the total absence of someone filing suit and doing something that actually matters, putting their butt on the line instead of just talking about it. Because all the talk in the world will simply get us two and a half more years of commiebama, give or take ANOTHER four after that, and we won't even frikkin recognize the damn country when he finally leaves. So what?

Where's the damn law suits instead of all the damn talk?

Are there any conservatives with money that can do more than talk? Cause I'm not seeing them. And I'm so far beyond disgusted seeing what this country is turning into I don't even know what to do anymore.

This isn't the same country my family has fought in every war since the Revolution anymore. Not the country my father fought for. And from what I see, voting for the most conservative candidates I could for 20 years, and campaigning and volunteering before and after voting has done exactly squat when I see the state of the nation.

So, if Obama's not a citizen, so what? cause no one is doing a damn thing about it but talk. And talk is like taking a dump. Everyone can do it and it deosn't matter.

5 posted on 03/28/2010 3:20:48 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: raygun

What would you suggest I do Ray? Sell everything I own, all my kids things, and do what? Go where? I have two kids not even in school yet. We make ends meet while paying off debt. Never travel or do anything for now. Other than your snappy little one line taunt, what would you suggest I do? I give money to conservative causes when we can afford it. Support the Tea Party movement as much as we can considering we have no life with a 2 year old and 7 month old and no help to watch them while we do something else. And have one car so we aren’t debting ourselves every month with a second. So tell me Prof, what would you suggest I do? And why the hell should someone like me be expected to sacrifice my kids safety and security when the thousands of very wealthy and powerful conservatives who could do it without jeopardizing their families do NOTHING!


6 posted on 03/28/2010 3:23:34 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: knarf

In addition to not being a grammarian knarf, you contribute exactly noting to a discussion. Your post was as useful as not posting at all. Please pardon me if I made some grammatical errors at 5:25 in the morning, typing that at 55 wpm without spell check, after my 7 mo old woke me up and I can’t get back to sleep. I’d totally love to see you type that much, that fast, with fewer errors. If you can’t contribute seriously to the thread. f**k off. I’m not looking for smart a** remarks from punks with no life. I’m dead damn serious and want serious responses because I’m sick of all the bulls**t, and the election in seven months is shaping up to be as meaningless as all the rest of them. If you can’t understand why I’m frustrated, then seriously, piss off. I want serious thoughtful replies, not taunting bs. Thanks much.


7 posted on 03/28/2010 3:28:21 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: TexasPatriot8
I'm as pissed as you and actually appreciate your post.

I've done this many times in the past and have never been lambasted for attempting to make a worthy writing easier for more people to read.

Making your thoughts easier for us old farts to read IS contributing.

We don't give a shit anymore and will pull a trigger before YOU do.

Our kids are grown, the house is paid for, our lives are over and we have a more burning desire to DO something ... especially because we ARE poor, (ex?) working class heroes and there doesn't seem to be ANYONE interested in doing anything more radical than talk and campaign/vote.

8 posted on 03/28/2010 3:38:28 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Apparently the fix is to get healthcare thrown out by the courts while allowing him to finish his term and be lauded as the greatest turd-bucket the RATS have ever nominated to anything. Even greater than Carter or Clinton, which ain’t saying much but he will be spun as a prez. who didn’t get a real chance to strut his stuff.


9 posted on 03/28/2010 3:39:00 AM PDT by Waco (Kalifonia don't need no stenkin oil and no stenkin revenue.)
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To: knarf
Please explain how it's not as simple as getting a conservative Judge to issue a subpoena

Aye, there's the rub. Saying it's simple don't make it so.

10 posted on 03/28/2010 3:39:19 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (+)
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To: TexasPatriot8
Texas, if you go back through the archives of FR and look up “Obama Birth Certificate” (there may actually be a category for it), you will see that dozens/hundreds of suits have been brought both before and after the election to answer the very question that you are asking. Most of them were dismissed “for lack of standing”, even though Alan Keyes, his opponent for the Democratic primary, should have had “standing” if anyone did. There have been military personnel, attorneys, “just plain people”, and others who have tried through the courts to get an answer. None of them got through. There was a judge in California who was a “take no prisoners” judge, and hopes soared that an answer could be found. Then, an assistant from the very group of lawyers defending Obama on keeping his papers hidden was added to the judge's staff, and the case before him was dismissed within a couple of weeks.

What can be done??? I don't know; wish I did.

11 posted on 03/28/2010 3:40:15 AM PDT by Humal
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To: wastoute

No wastoute I don’t get it, because that’s not how government works. Speaker of the House has less than nothing to do with the process if he wasn’t a citizen ever, she would just be on the hook after the fact, but the legislative branch has no authority to block a private citizen from filing some kind of litigation against the President regarding his citizenship. I’d be more worried about Obama’s cronies and the radical liberal socialist thugs out there that would target someone doing something. That’s why I pointed out it has to be someone with the money and power to handle that fact, but they do noting. ALL I CAN DO is be pure dee 100% fed up and pissed about it because I have no power or position to do anything about it, no kind of money it would take to do something about it. And no platform to do something about it. And those that do have those three things do nothing. Limbaugh has all three of those things, and none of the liabilities, but I don’t see him filing any kind of suit as a citizen. I only see him doing his show 5 times a week. And his show is the best conservative show ever, but it’s not going to get osamaobama in court, ever. All I can do politically is vote, which considering I’m in Texas is pissing WITH the wind at least, since where I live, the Republican candidates win 95% of the time, and volunteer for candidates whenever we possibly can, support conservative groups, etc, but there’s nothing else we can do, literally nothing. And those that can, all they do is talk. If I had several hundred million dollars in the bank, a law firm on retainer, and a platform to be listened to from, I know enough about the system to know I’d be doing more than just talking. But those people, talking is ALL they’ve done the past year and a half. All talk, no walk, and commiecare is what we have to show for it, as thanks for conservative inaction. I don’t even imagine the country will be anything like it was when I was 20, when my kids are 20. This makes me wish my 6th great-grandfather had just stayed in Austria and said he was Catholic, not protestant, so the Catholics wouldn’t run him out, cause the U.S. is quickly becoming the opposite of what it was when I was little and I don’t know if that’s more scary or disgusting. But it’s harder and harder to “ignore” on a normal daily basis and just do what you have to in life, as though things will be ok, when it’s more and more obvious, things will NOT be ok. Not if you like the Constitution and want to live under it’s authority. It’s NOT ok anymore. And there’s NOTHING to be done about it. If the Democrats hold Congress in November, the sky’s the limit as to how bad things will get. And conservatives with a voice and the position and money to back it up aren’t doing anything to really change it. Just talking.


12 posted on 03/28/2010 3:41:34 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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..."Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. The transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia while an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify for this scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

repeatedly, on FR site, this has been called a hoax-it ain't true-claim was some kinda 'joking' (last Spring?)!!!

my little checking indicated NO Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program for undergrads....

13 posted on 03/28/2010 3:45:45 AM PDT by 1234 ("1984")
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To: TexasPatriot8
I don't know what would be the best thing for you to do. It would be a most egregious of error for my presumptuousness to suggest otherwise.

You mention a bunch of youngsters that are dependent upon your decisions. You have no idea how I envy you.

If I was in your shoes, I'd get as straight with Jesus Christ as I could. I'd try to show those youngsters every day what it means to have a "personal" relationship with one's saviour. But I don't have such a blessed gift as "children; I have no insight in that regard.

I'm unclear why you refer to me as "Prof". I haven't a clue whether I know you, or not. Nevertheless, it sounds as if you're struggling. I will pray for you.

Dunno if that helps. Not exactly sure how that has anything to do with anything anyway...


14 posted on 03/28/2010 3:49:03 AM PDT by raygun
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To: TexasPatriot8

Humal, so liberals moles are in every Judges staff in the country and no one has standing to question Obama’s citizenship? Where is that covered in legal precedent that someone can be just dismissed as not having standing when they’re wanting to see proof of the President’s citizenship? How can NO citizen have standing in the courts set up by the same Constitution that says you have to be a born citizen to be President? This is just like all the crap with john effing kerry and all his traitorous crap he did during Vietnam, all the lies and deceit, all the deliberate burying of documents, the flat refusal to answer questions, his refusal to sign one document that would make his military records open to prove his case if he was telling the truth, all that crap. Just ignored and no one got to the bottom of it, and he’s STILL Senator with no answers to any of it and no one challenges it. And he’s less than half as bad as Obama who’s a flat out socialist not even born here, yet the Constitution is violated day after day after day with evidence he’s not a citizen, which never sees the light of day in any court, and I just don’t understand why or how. It all makes the Constitution look really weak and flawed if it can be subverted and flaunted like this by extremist people manipulating the system, and that makes me really sick.


15 posted on 03/28/2010 3:50:44 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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Knarf, ok ood you do understand what I’m saying. I thought you were making light of it or mocking me. It’s just to the point that when I hear a conservative voice talking about obama, A CONSERVATIVE mind you, I just have to turn it off, because all I hear is “yeah yeah yeah, rah rah rah, talk talk talk”. Lotsa talk, nothing coming from it. Every day is done and lots of conservative voices have had their say on tv and radio and the net, and after all that’s over, exactly NOTHING has changed. Might as well never have happened. The Tea Party movement is the only thing I see right now that I still believe is some substance with gains to be had, not just talk. I guess it just frustrates and angers me to the extreme that a piece of foreign trash like obama and his extremist cronies with the support of the democrat party can violate the Constitution so blatantly, and nothing is done but talk. But boy howdy if someone goes public and says they’re going to blow his head off, yeah boy real action is taken there, cause that isn’t just talk. They’ll statch that person’s butt up and he’ll never be seen again. That makes me wonder. Is it legal for the Secret Service to even arrest someone for threatening to kill the President if the President is illegally the President because he wasn’t born in the U.S.?

I’m always nervous even mentioning anything like this in the same sentence knowing how radical and extreme obama and his people are. Even though some radical wrote a whole book on assassinating George W. Bush while he was President and nothing happened to them, I truly believe someone could do FAR less than that regarding osama and wake up in a world of hurt in a short period of time.


16 posted on 03/28/2010 4:01:20 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: TexasPatriot8; knarf
Paragraphs are our friends. It is very hard to read two or three hundred words without them.

Knarf's version is much easier on the eye. That is a contribution in my mind.

17 posted on 03/28/2010 4:09:02 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy (Gen 15:16 The iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

It’s in our constitution that one must be a natural citizen. If there is any doubt on the British Kenjan subject, we should err on the side of caution and never take a chance. The Germans took on Adolf Hitler, who was born on April 20th 1889 in Braunau-am-Inn, Austria. Barry’s not Hitler but he employ’s similar tactics, pitting Americans against Americans especially when it comes to redistributed wealth from white to black. Hitler used the same tactics against Jews. It’s worisome, indeed.


18 posted on 03/28/2010 4:10:49 AM PDT by yorkie01
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To: TexasPatriot8
"<.P>"

Is my friend if not yours.


19 posted on 03/28/2010 4:19:19 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Am I the only one who finds the name ‘Barry Soetoro’ extremely funny (as in: little hoodlum)?


20 posted on 03/28/2010 4:19:30 AM PDT by Ayn And Milton
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If I was in your shoes, I'd get as straight with Jesus Christ as I could. I'd try to show those youngsters every day what it means to have a "personal" relationship with one's saviour. But I don't have such a blessed gift as "children; I have no insight in that regard. I'm unclear why you refer to me as "Prof". I haven't a clue whether I know you, or not. Nevertheless, it sounds as if you're struggling. I will pray for you. I said prof because I thought you were patronizing me. Obviously you weren't. And boy I tell you what, the paragraph above that you said that I pasted, absolutely right. Everything is a lot different with kids. Any waves I could make, try to make, and would fail, would come crashing down on them, because liberals destroy people who make waves and they take glee in destroying the kids of those who make waves. If I had no kids, I'd just be p.o.'d. But because of my kids. I am terrified to the extreme knowing they will be living here long after I'm gone. It really scares me, and the worse and worse it gets the more and more I lean on my Christian faith. You couldn't be more right. The only worldly thing there is to be grateful for is that I live in Texas. Because whatever bad happens, it will impact Texas lesser so than the other states since most people in Texas are conservative, among the people and the government, moreso really the more radical the democrats get. The sad irony is, all my life anytime something annoying would happen nationally, people in Texas would joke "well, time for Texas to secede", TOTALLY joking as any real Texan is an American as much as a Texan. But the past couple years, since Obama, and now with commiecare, and his judges, and the debt, and taxes, and looming things on the horizon he's trying to do. Well. It's no joke anymore. I hear people talk about Texas seceding now, and there's no smile and no laughter. They're really fed up and sick of it. And frankly, if it came up to a vote of the people of Texas, God help me I don't know what I'd do. There's part of me that thinks maybe, just MAYBE, if the people of Texas voted to secede because obama has so clearly violated the Constitution of the United States, and the Texas Senate voted in kind, MAYBE that would get the American peopel's attention for real and they'd rise up and get rid of Obama. God help Obama if he used the military to try and stop the secession since Texas joined the U.S. ONLY with the provision that if the majority of the people voted to secede ever, it had to be respected by the U.S., since Texas was an independent Republic and it's sovereignty would be respected if sought again. I just don't know. I just know that a lot of people aren't joking about it anymore, and after two years of total rule in Washington D.C. by Democrats, demonstrating a total disregard for the U.S. Constitition, a lot of people here aren't seeing a reason to stay in the U.S. if the Constitution isn't going to be obeyed and upheld. And I'm having a harder and harder time disagreeing with them. And that scares me too. Maybe it would force the other 49 states to act FINALLY in the best interest of the country, while there is still a country to act in the best interest of. And when the Constitution is a document of LAWS and not SUGGESTIONS, Texas would be very happy to come back. I just don't know. I only know that given the spirit in D.C. right now, people in Texas screaming for secession are seeming a LOT less radical to me than they would have seemed 10 years ago. Or even two. And D.C. and what is seen and hear from there is all a LOT MORE radical sounding than calls for Texas secession. It's insane because I can't IMAGINE leavin the U.S., and at the same time, if things continue their current course, and the democrats maintain control of Congress, it's about to the point I can't imagine STAYING in the U.S.. :(
21 posted on 03/28/2010 4:21:42 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: wastoute

He made adeal she couldn’t refuse POWERE.


22 posted on 03/28/2010 4:23:49 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: TexasPatriot8
The Scriptures say there WILL BE a one world government.

I always thought The USA would be the stalemate for that ever happening, because as I understand scripture .. the people of the planet WANT anti-Christ.

We in America ask, "You WHAT ?" .. primarilly because we DO have a Christian backgtound .... or at least we DID.

So, for me ... it is good to remember that prophecy says it will all come to pass and that there apparently isn't much we can do about it, except 2 Chron 7:14.

Now, that's not to say I can stop harboring thoughts of insurrection against the magistrate that is no longer for good, per Romans 13.

23 posted on 03/28/2010 4:26:30 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: TexasPatriot8

1234, so it’s all bogus? If it’s bogus how does it keep coming up so firmly so much the past 2 years? That’s the thing that keeps bothering me. It’s NOT HARD to show you were born in the U.S. and obama’s people have never been able to do that. Why aren’t copies of his certified official birth certificate from Hawaii being dropped by plane in every red state? Why don’t his minions hold copies in front of the cameras and push them in people’s faces? They never produce any of the documents that are questioned which would prove his citizenship? If it’s all bogus, why have his people all been so impotent when it comes to proving the accusations wrong? That tells me it’s not bogus, since they’re putting all their efforts into squashing those questioning it, not proving them wrong. It’s not hard to provide documents proving citizenship. I’ve found documents from my family 260 years ago before this country was a country. But obama and his people can’t produce one stinking birth certificate official and certified from the state of Hawaii? It can’t be all bogus when obama and his peopel can’t do something so simple.


24 posted on 03/28/2010 4:27:47 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: knarf

THANK YOU for formatting the original post — to make it more readable.


25 posted on 03/28/2010 4:30:17 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: TexasPatriot8

Patriot,

Please know that there are literally millions of Americans who share your views and frustrations. We’re all asking similar, if not the same, questions.

I’ve always admired Texans. You kick butt and take names later every day of the week. Believe me when I tell you that the rest of this country is watching what Texas does from here on out.

One irony I see in all that is transpiring right now is this; clinging to our guns and our religion is what will see us through. God will provide the wisdom and grace to guide our way and our guns will allow us to defend and feed oursevles if the unthinkable ever happens.

Hang in there. We know how you feel.


26 posted on 03/28/2010 4:36:39 AM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: TexasPatriot8
Now, that's not to say I can stop harboring thoughts of insurrection against the magistrate that is no longer for good, per Romans 13.

Boy is that ever true. I agree with the whole thing you said but that part REALLY jumped out and bit me. I just can't escape this feeling that in the coming years there will be some very hard decisions to be made by everyone. And the life as usual internet, cell phone, texting, satellite tv, business as usual stuff will be over. Reality will take a front seat and those who don't pay attention won't last long. Scary.

Every time something especially politically dark is on the news, I've more and more looked at my wife and said "Jesus is coming", and she just nods. Her out of state family is seriously considering moving to Texas and they never even mentioned that before, they always wanted us to move there. I just feel bad for the poor souls that might ever pose a threat to my kids. There better be a lot of them, and they better be better armed than I am, or woe be unto them.

And sorry for the lack of paragraph breaks. I honest to God was so wrapped up in my thoughts I totally forgot about html. There were paras in my typing, but no html in the same places. Sorry about that. Wasn't intentional.

27 posted on 03/28/2010 4:37:29 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Present it to the media and the courts.


28 posted on 03/28/2010 4:39:35 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: TexasPatriot8
It’s NOT HARD to show you were born in the U.S.

I think he was born in Hawaii BUT...

1) The Kenyan was not his father (he looks nothing like him)so there goes the exotic name...and

2) He never bothered to shed Indonesian citizenship

3) Which is why he didn't get around to registering with Selective Service until a few years ago with sloppily falsified documentation, made to look old. Why would an Indonesian register for the draft?
29 posted on 03/28/2010 4:42:39 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: Nepeta

You’re not going to rehash a bunch of crap that has no bearing on anything are you?

You sound like a disgruntled Democrat when Bush won the first (& second) time.


30 posted on 03/28/2010 4:46:35 AM PDT by raygun
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To: southernsunshine
I sure appreciate your post. Thank you. In all my angst your post was great to remind me of what I say and think so much, with my wife too when we talk, is that we firmly believe that most people in the U.S. do feel the same as we do about all this garbage. It's just so frustrating and anger inspiring to know that we are a majority in a country founded on majority rule, and we are systematically being ruled and squashed and taxed and legislated into oblivion by the minority, who is simultaneously destroying the very freedoms and liberties that are most important to us, that generations of family have fought and bled and deid for, as a people of a nation. I don't know if it makes me more sad, or angry. I think more angry, but there's nothing to do with it but chew on it and get disgusted at it.

The more time that goes by, the more I keep thinking "Pray to God, watch for Jesus, keep the guns cleaned, loaded and handy, and pay attention, because things really could get really ugly really quickly. It just seems crazy having some of the thoughts I've been having as to what "might" happen, and the past year, I can't just dismiss them as "silly" anymore. It is not good.

And inside your four walls at the end of the day, it's easy to feel like you're not part of the majority. God help us if all Americans who feel like us don't vote it and vote against EVERYONE that voted for commiecare. Because they're ALL the same people destroying the country. Not figuratively, LITERALLY destroying it. Thanks a lot for your post.

31 posted on 03/28/2010 4:49:03 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: TexasPatriot8
How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America?

How? Easy.

You can start by blaming the Cook County Board of Elections not doing their job in verifying ALL his qualifications and documents, then the IL Board of Elections and then the IL Secetary of State for certifying his election win -- as US Senator.. After that it was game, set, match. But in his run for POTUS the 50 State Board of Elections and all the Secretaries of State then also failed to do their job.

But I'll take the blame. It's Illinois' fault.
We're run by crooks and scoundrels and apparently -- we like it that way. (/s)

32 posted on 03/28/2010 4:49:47 AM PDT by Condor51 (SAT CONG!)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Ok, I’ll file suit, and have it dismissed because I have no standing, and none of the original documentation, even though obama has no original documentation either, but he’s President and I’m nobody, so I lose. And I’ll email it to 500 media email addresses I have in my CC file, and get back a couple dozen responses, all sarcastic liberals who voted for obama, and get ignored by all the rest because it was a quick click and delete for them. Next?


33 posted on 03/28/2010 4:52:28 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: raygun
You sound like a disgruntled Democrat when Bush won the first (& second) time.

Uh, no, actually I still have in my possession a mint condition Goldwater bumper sticker. I've been a Conservative for some time now...
34 posted on 03/28/2010 4:52:40 AM PDT by Nepeta
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To: TexasPatriot8
"How did this little INDONESIAN Muslim child - Barry Soetoro, (A.K.A. Barack Obama) get around the issue of nationality to become President of the United States of America?"

He became President because neither Congress nor any of the 50 states nor the FEC set up a process to verify that Presidential candidates were actually eligible for the job. The liberal MSM refused to investigate. And the Judiciary refused to grant discovery in any lawsuit.

And there is considerable confusion about "natural born" citizenship vs plain old citizenship. Since Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen, many voters simply assume Obama is eligible and are not aware there is a "natural born" criteria or what it means.

What can be done?

There are still some ongoing lawsuits and/or appeals that are still being worked.

Several states have legislation in the works to set up a process to examine Presidential candidates eligibility. If even one state refuses to list a candidate in the future it will raise publicity and cause other states to examine the question.

However, none of the state legislation specifies which documents are acceptable and which are not. Therefore it is likely that Obama's "cerficiate of live birth" that was issued by Hawaii to foreign born citizens would be deemed acceptable since the legislation does not specify that as an unacceptable document.

So this legislation will block some of the candidates such as the guy with the Green Card, who ran for president last time from being on the ballot in those particular states. That's probably enough to derail any candidate that is not at least a citizen. But not enough to derail an Obama-like candidate that may have citizenship but is not "natural born".

35 posted on 03/28/2010 4:55:50 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Condor51

Unfortunately, and it’s sad, but Illinois, along with Jersey, and Louisiana are just the worst for sure when it comes to political corruption. Though Louisiana is slowly but surely becoming less and less democrat. It’s no irony that all three of the states with the reputations of being the most politically corrupt, are all democrat controlled for decades. It’s both sad and amazing that so many people in positions of power have failed this country so miserably, in allowing obama to rise to an office that he is legally not qualified to run for. Just pathetic.


36 posted on 03/28/2010 4:56:35 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

.... then send it to Orly Taitz.


37 posted on 03/28/2010 5:02:04 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: TexasPatriot8

For whatever it’s worth, Snopes, FactCheck, and UrbanLegends, claim that no such lawsuit was ever filed; no such organization as “Americans for Freedom of Information” exists, and SCOTUS never agreed to hear any case concerning zero’s natural born citizenship status.


38 posted on 03/28/2010 5:06:40 AM PDT by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: TexasPatriot8

My heart goes out to you and all other young couples who struggle with the responsibilities of job, home, and parenthood in today’s world. You, no doubt, fear for your future as well as that of your babies. I, also, do not understand why this matter has not be faced and cleared up..More and more people are believing that the citizenship of our President does not qualify him for office. However, with all the other breaches going on regarding our form of government and our Constitution, what can we expect? Power still lies with The People, even though intimidation is now coming out of Washington D.C., and the Major News Media in an attempt to stifle any ideas other than their own. They want to silence opposition and will use any means to do it. So, what does a young person like yourself do? First of all, know that tyrants usually end up turning on each other and I would guess that at some point, before too long, an “insider” is going to get past the “Chicago Way” and begin to sing. Also, as the vice tightens against the people, more will be willing to risk and sacrifice to save the country. Things are not quite bad enough yet but probably will become that way quickly. Listen to Glen Beck as often as possible. His history lessons are painful because they are the truth. The way we fight this is to turn to FAITH, HOPE AND CHARITY, as much as possible in our personal lives. Busy parents can do that at home, on the job and in interactions with friends. Let those closest to you know you love them and pray each and every day, whether you are a believer or not, God will hear you. I know you are a true PATRIOT and a TEXAS PATRIOT, to boot..That puts you way ahead of most of us..God bless and don’t lose heart. You are not alone.


39 posted on 03/28/2010 5:12:27 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: knarf
>" ALL conservatives with money and a voice do is TALK TALK TALK! Where's the f*****g action? "

I pitched a quarter at Orly. What have you done?

40 posted on 03/28/2010 5:13:30 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: real_patriotic_american

I don’t know that sending money or anything to Orly Taitz is any better than doing nothing. AFter Googling her, reading IMDB and other sites on her, while impressive as a person having multiple degrees, speaking five languages, etc so on, politically she’s gotten zero traction and some of her litigation has been conspiracy theory fodder. She’s what we call in Texas a little nuts. Is there anyone going after obama legally that doesn’t appear to have a need for Xanax or Lithium? Maybe the articles were making her sound crazy and she’s not, but she sounds a bit off the beaten path that nearly all conservative Americans would be comfortable being on.


41 posted on 03/28/2010 5:18:20 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: knarf

You know what?....Your post is an excellent example of why folks like TexasPatriot8 and myself are frustrated with conservatives.....Who cares how it was written?....So no spell check....Big deal!....We have a man who was raised Muslim, apparently born in another country, shows disdain for the American way of life and Christians sitting in The White House and all you can comment on is grammar.....That’s why liberty loving Americans are beating their heads against the wall.....No powerful conservatives tackle this obvious obstruction of Justice......


42 posted on 03/28/2010 5:19:59 AM PDT by 3722535r
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Goodday so it’s all just a rah rah piece done by some conservative with too much time on their hands. Great. I really despise people who make crap like this up, as though it helps anyone at any point. Totally useless. I still don’t belive obama is a citizen but it sucks that losers make crap like that up that I got in email. Morons. Thanks for the help checking that.


43 posted on 03/28/2010 5:21:13 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Paragraphs give the spittle a chance to dry.


44 posted on 03/28/2010 5:22:12 AM PDT by Grut
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To: TexasPatriot8

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

And I am sure you have seen this.....This coverup is within the last few years.....People use the same old conspiracy theory bull#### on me when I mention this.....Paint me as being a nut.....I understand where you are coming from.....This article was from a Kenyan AP report I believe, back in 2004......


45 posted on 03/28/2010 5:25:34 AM PDT by 3722535r
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To: jazzlite

Thanks Jazzlite really apprecaite it. Totally agree with you. And on Beck also. Can’t recall anything I’ve ever heard him say that I disagree with. Really like him a lot. I have heard him say a lot of things I don’t like, only because I wish he was wrong because it was bad, but he was right, even though I wish he wasn’t. I wish he was wrong half the time because that would mean that things aren’t as bad as they are, but they are, and he’s right. It’s bad when you wish someone you like was wrong a lot so things wouldn’t be as bad as they are.


46 posted on 03/28/2010 5:26:15 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (We can't afford Obama. We can't afford a socialist muslim sympathizer as President. Boy was I right.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

the “Occidental transcript release” has been in dozens of bogus messages, many released around April 1st

I think your instincts are right on, but be wary of quoting 3rd part reports of “proof” from the internet. Someone is trying to pwn you

The US had a soft coup in January 2009 when this man was installed, and very branch of our govt, every past president of the US, and every other govt in the world, was and is, part of.

History was right. Empires never last. Even the noble ones.


47 posted on 03/28/2010 5:26:59 AM PDT by silverleaf (Karl Marx was NOT one of America's Founding Fathers)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Check your FReep mail.


48 posted on 03/28/2010 5:27:09 AM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: 3722535r
Y'know wha else?

Destroy the ability to communicate intelligently and you destroy intelligence.

We have a language, and it has rules, and our founding documents are written in that language and you texters are incapable of understanding English because evrything is an abbreviation, LOL.

zero loves HIS blackberry too ... and charmed all the OTHER berry's, LOL

49 posted on 03/28/2010 5:30:05 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Hopefully, those State AG’s challenging Barry’s health care bill can subpoena his birth records.


50 posted on 03/28/2010 5:30:15 AM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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