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Latest Physics Theories May Help Challenge Evolution
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| 30 Mar 10
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Posted on 03/30/2010 8:53:37 AM PDT by nysuperdoodle
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To: tacticalogic
Are you submitting that it is impossible for life to have the ability to evolve? You're going to need to define your term a little more precisely.
Do you mean "evolve from non-life" or "evolve from other, already-existing lifeforms"?
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posted on
03/30/2010 9:30:14 AM PDT
by
Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
(We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
To: Moonman62
How is the flow of heat incompatible with evolution? The article refers to "work" energy. Not "heat" energy.
To: nysuperdoodle
Newton's Laws are incompatible with life.
After all, bodies at rest do not remain at rest.
Q.E.D.
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posted on
03/30/2010 9:31:54 AM PDT
by
Lazamataz
("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Do you mean "evolve from non-life" or "evolve from other, already-existing lifeforms"? That would be "evolve from other, already-existing lifeforms".
Evolution is not abiogenesis.
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posted on
03/30/2010 9:37:25 AM PDT
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: Westbrook
The problem is that the second law of thermodynamics and evolution are pretty much incompatible
That's about the dumbest thing I've ever read. Evolution and the law of "no right on red until after stop" are also incompatible.
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posted on
03/30/2010 9:44:22 AM PDT
by
Filo
(Darwin was right!)
To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Only in the world of creationists is evolution random.
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posted on
03/30/2010 9:45:52 AM PDT
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discostu
(wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
To: Tao Yin
No loopholes are required. An open system is different than a closed system. Both a closed system and an open system's entrophy can change. But without an organizing factor it can only change (overtime) in one direction.
To: nysuperdoodle
"Latest Physics Theories May Help Challenge Evolution of String Bikinis"
(1) Gravity tends to pull down Warm Globes.
Just remember Einstein ate Fig Newtons and flew on Qantas while formulating the
(2) Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states that bodies cool down really fast after a real hot time, sometimes going into a sleepytime mode.
To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
The article refers to "work" energy. Not "heat" energy. Where do you see that? I see the article incorrectly equating entropy with chaos.
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posted on
03/30/2010 9:57:23 AM PDT
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Moonman62
(The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
To: discostu
Only in the world of creationists is evolution random. The "Creationists" I've talked to understand that neo Darwinism envolves both randomness (chance) and an organizing principle. (i.e.natural selection).
To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Involves randomness is which genes combine yes. But it is NOT a random process, and every single time anybody tries to attack evolution with the word “random” all they prove is they don’t know what they’re talking about.
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03/30/2010 10:05:27 AM PDT
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discostu
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
“The article refers to “work” energy. Not “heat” energy.”
Ahhh, since when was there a difference?
Hank
To: discostu
If evolution isn’t random, then it’s directed or organized. That would imply intelligence, would it not?
To: Moonman62
Where do you see that? I see the article incorrectly equating entropy with chaos. Second Law of Thermodaynamics: In any system, entropy (chaos) is always increasing, and any decrease of entropy (chaos) inside a system requires work (intelligence) to be added to the system.
To: nysuperdoodle
No. There’s a more dynamic world than that. Just because it ain’t random doesn’t mean there’s a plan, it means we can construct what’s happening and why.
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03/30/2010 10:13:33 AM PDT
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discostu
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To: Pollster1
Evolution is not the addition of energy to a system, it is the addition of information. Evolutionary changes are the addition of new information which changes the organism in better ways.
Addition of uncontrolled energy (i.e. the sun) is always destructive and contributes to the breakdown of systems. It must be controlled through the information stored in the cells of plants and animals in order to make the energy constructive (usable).
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posted on
03/30/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT
by
wbarmy
(I decided to be a sheepdog when I saw what happens to sheep.)
To: discostu
Involves randomness is which genes combine yes. But it is NOT a random process, and every single time anybody tries to attack evolution with the word random all they prove is they dont know what theyre talking about. Then you reject neo Darwinism? Last time I checked that was the reigning paradigm. Chance followed by natural selection ...no?
Once selected via "natural selection" from random mutations then the life form maintains itself for a time. But eventually, both individually and as a species succumbs to the inexorable ravages of the second law.
To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
To: nysuperdoodle
The problem is that the second law of thermodynamics and evolution are pretty much incompatibleThe problem is that the second law of thermodynamics and evolution are pretty much incompatible Darwinian Evolution is an obvious crock.
But suggesting that we don't ever see signs of order arising from chaotic situations is equally fatuous. Take a look at a snowflake sometime.
ML/NJ
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03/30/2010 10:31:20 AM PDT
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ml/nj
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