The "wack jobs" are the after-birthers foaming at the mouth ranting and spitting spews when news comes out they are so wrong.
Hey, have a pilsner - you'll feel better.
Posted on 04/02/2010 2:13:33 PM PDT by rxsid
By that strain of Birther "logic," Obama's kids are Brits, not American Citizens, and the progeny of his (theoretical) sons will be Brits too. And no one is eligible to be President, unless they are descended in an unbroken line of natural born citizen male ancestors back to 1787, when the Constitution was adopted.
And then you folks get all riled up when Obama holds you out as a bunch of raving wack jobs, and smears all of his opponents by equating them to you."
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You do know, of course, that the natural allegiance that is due perpetually, is for the INDIVIDUAL. The paragraph that comes from (& the one before it) clearly are in reference to the individual and their allegiance owed the crown. Horribly bad attempt at obfuscation.
Was his status widely known? Chester Arthur’s wasn’t...until 2008.
" The citizenship of your parents has nothing to do with yours. If you are a U.S. citizen now, and you never were naturalized as a U.S. citizen, then you are a natural born citizen.?
That would depend on bammies citizenship status now wouldn't it?
Learn some basics before you continue to make a fool out of your self.
Fraud protected by government officials is still fraud.
To delight in the successful perpetration of fraud is not something to be proud of.
I wonder if the unions pay overtime on Good Friday's?
Funny, last time I checked a man with a foreign father was currently the president while everyone who tells me I'm wrong has seen the folks arguing their case get laughed out of courtroom after courtroom.
So it looks like my definition of NBC is having a pretty good track record while the fictional "2 citizen parent" definition appears to be a big loser.
Anyways, don't blame me. I didn't write the law.
I'm tired of debating the issue. You're not going to convince me I'm wrong when all I need to do is google "44th President of the United States" to see that's just not the case. And while I am at, I can go ahead and google Ankeny v. Daniels, Donofrio v. Wells, Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz and, oh, about 60-something more birther courtroom defeats.
Wilson's mother would have become a citizen upon marrying his father, assuming she was not naturalized by derivation when her parents were naturalized.
Arthur's father was naturalized, but not at the time of Chester's birth. Rather when Chester was 14.
Chester's father's naturalization certificate was recently found. It shows him being naturalized when Arthur was about 14 years old. Arthur was not eligible.
I think Congress would just quickly pass a law changing the rules so that Obama would qualify..
Even if a mere statute could do that, which it can not, it would not help The One. Because making it retroactive would be an ex post facto law, which the Constitution forbids Congress to pass. (Article I section 9, 3rd paragraph)
Chester's father's naturalization certificate was recently found. It shows him being naturalized when Arthur was about 14 years old. Arthur was not eligible.
I think Congress would just quickly pass a law changing the rules so that Obama would qualify..
Even if a mere statute could do that, which it can not, it would not help The One. Because making it retroactive would be an ex post facto law, which the Constitution forbids Congress to pass. (Article I section 9, 3rd paragraph)
I figure that post would bring at least one of you guys around. LoL!
The judiciary will have to lie to themselves and to the nation by contorting the intent and meaning to find Obama as a natural born citizen . You better hope this doesn't get to the courts on the merits.”
I'll be honest with you. This specific issue has been addressed by one court already. I don't expect the Supreme Court to ever take it up because they would consider it a settled matter that doesn't require their attention. But if they do, I think the decision leaves Obama an NBC without so much as blinking an eye.
No one is sweating this because no one outside of these circles lends it any credence. Apuzzo or Orly or whoever is never going to win a single case for this. And we don't say that to apologize or cover for Obama.
Take the latest health care bill. I don't believe it will be overturned. However, I wouldn't rule that out, because certain precedents create a plausible string that some court might pull together to at least overrule parts of it. But this stuff? Honestly, it really does have zero chance of ever going anywhere.
I know you believe it should. I understand that is frustrating, and I apologize if in the past I have come across as mocking your frustration. But in all seriousness, don't make too much of an emotional investment in this.
Yes, very widely known. The affair between his mother, a woman of high society, and her French tutor was a big scandal, which greatly hindered his early social status. I can't find any instance of his rivals, some of the greatest legal minds of the day, using this to claim he wasn't Constitutionally eligible due to his father's status.
An interesting, but moot point because Fremont was neither elected nor sworn in as the US President.....
What this does illustrate is that our system for insuring that a Presidential candidate meets the Constitutional requirements is flawed. (Is there any system?)
Maybe we need a way to verify eligability before a candidate can be put on the ballot......... just saying.....
The "wack jobs" are the after-birthers foaming at the mouth ranting and spitting spews when news comes out they are so wrong.
Hey, have a pilsner - you'll feel better.
I'll be honest with you tired, the eligibility cases have barely left the judges personal offices and nowhere near being heard in the court room. You wish it was settled. Don't blink too much they may take it up eventually.
Pretty sure the status of the child follows that of the mother for an out of wedlock birth. That is, if the mother is a citizen, and the child is born in the country, then the child is a natural born citizen.
Entomology is the study of insects. I believe you intended etymology.
Many parts will be overruled or at the very least it's going to be repealed when Obutt is gone after 2012...especially the part forcing people to buy medical coverage - honestly.
I agree with you. I think there’s a fighting chance Obamacare will be over-turned on the individual mandate. How do you turn 300 million consumers into commercial enterprises with a straight face?
parsy, who thinks the Constitutional experts can’t see the forest for the trees
I've been similarly "burned". I was impressed with an anti-drunk driving poster I saw while on a trip to SHAPE in Belgium. I didn't have a French dictionary handy, so I grabbed a French/English dictionary at the convenience store next to the cafeteria and tossed it in my backpack. Later that evening, I pulled the dictionary out at my hotel room to attempt a translation. The word I didn't understand was translated as "bloke". Oh crap, the dictionary is UK English, not American English.
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