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Does The U.S. Need To Split?
84rules News & Commentary Blog ^ | April 9, 2010 | 84rules

Posted on 04/09/2010 9:58:57 AM PDT by 84rules

Many of us out in the blogosphere have been pondering this question for over a year. Imagine our surprise to find an article by Dr. Walter Williams that actually took on the issue!

Does The U.S. Need To Split?
84rules
April 9, 2010


TOPICS: Government; History; Miscellaneous; Politics
KEYWORDS: secede; sovereignty; states; williams
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To: Smokin' Joe
A house divided against itself cannot stand.

We currently HAVE a house divided. IMO, a better result would be each side getting their OWN house, where they can each live the way they want.

41 posted on 04/09/2010 10:40:21 AM PDT by Wissa ("So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."-Padme Amidala)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The entire country seceding from Wash. DC might be a solution.


42 posted on 04/09/2010 10:44:52 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Wissa

A lot of those who identify with leftist crap would change their minds if they were exposed to truth instead of MSM leftist propaganda.

Actually that’s happening already.


43 posted on 04/09/2010 10:46:01 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes. I have been shot at, wounded, bombed by, attacked by Communists, Marxists, and Socialists. I have held the hands of the dying to stop the spread of collectivism. I have paid a very dear price myself.

I did not do all that, witness all that, pay that price so Obama and his fellow travelers could take over this country. Not now, not ever.

If this means a smaller USA, so be it. Get the hell out of my country, you fraking communists. This is my country. You are not welcome here. You are not just another political movement. You are a poison to our Constitutional Republic.

May you all go to hell, and perhaps I will help you on your way.

Just sayin!


44 posted on 04/09/2010 10:46:46 AM PDT by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, telling it straight since AD 33)
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To: Safrguns

Hey, I know this model. It was call the Bolshevik Revolution. Are some conservatives now America haters?


45 posted on 04/09/2010 10:47:46 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Is Obama an Irish, Italian or Japanese name?)
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To: righttackle44

>>> Are some conservatives now America haters?

No... the federal government is, and it is evidenced by the new health care legislation.


46 posted on 04/09/2010 10:49:35 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: firebasecody

I second that!


47 posted on 04/09/2010 10:49:39 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: 84rules

The current path of the country is unsustainable and inevitable. We will need a RADICAL change in the way government in structured and paid for if this country is to survive.


48 posted on 04/09/2010 10:49:44 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wissa
We currently HAVE a house divided. IMO, a better result would be each side getting their OWN house, where they can each live the way they want.

If they don't like it, they have a wide assortment of socialist governments to choose from when they emigrate. There is only one USA.

49 posted on 04/09/2010 10:49:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 84rules
Some would argue that policies of Obama and the Democrats have already destroyed any credible military capability that we have.

SOme would argue there is a consensus on Anthropogenic Global Warming as well, even though over 35,000 scientists have signed a petition asserting otherwise.

As long as there are men and women who love our Republic in the Armed Forces, they will do their best to retain that credibility--their lives depend on it.

50 posted on 04/09/2010 10:52:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 84rules
There is a movement in the immigration ranks that are pushing for parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado? and Texas be given back to Mexico.

There is no end to outrageous ideas. They are not likely to be achieved peacefully or legally. Most will not willingly allow changes that endanger their lives .......

Oh, wait Health care passed, now we are destroying 1/3 of our nuclear weapons and we are not producing new ones, We have a Muslim president. No one can argue he was raised Muslim (Islam), and defends all things Islam, and criticizes all things Christian.

Maybe we better rethink what is and has occurred. Our freedom and liberty has a menacing black cloud hovering over us called new taxation. We are in a position to have the government take most all our money earned for taxes and to tax us out of our homes, via the EPA and new regulations forcing the cities to tax much more (taxing on rainwater run off. For everyone. When the states increase taxes, the city taxes increase, the school tax increases, property taxes increase, gasoline taxes increases, heating and air conditioning taxes raise substantially, sales taxes increase, airport taxes increase, transportation taxes raises the price of food, medical expenses increases, etc. ... income taxes increases, and social security is cut back, carbon taxes are levied, and coming is the UNITED NATIONS taxes/world tax to pay our share as we are a rich nation. !!!!!! Then suddenly everyone will wake up and say "WHAT HAPPENED?" TOO LATE. FREEDOM LOST IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOVER. ALL SORTS OF CHANGES TO OUR AUTOMOBILES, AND HIGH FEES FOR THOSE NOT COMPLING BY BUYING SMALL HYBRID CARS, CHANGES REQUIRED IN OUR HOMES/WINDOWS, HEATING/ AIR CONDITIONING/ KITCHEN APPLIANCES/ WASHERS/ DRYERS, ETC. Do not shrug this off ... it is right now on the planning drawing boards and the steps to do this is in process. Implemented quickly. Etc. and ETC. God help us in our day, in Jesus name, Amen.

51 posted on 04/09/2010 10:57:05 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: little jeremiah
A lot of those who identify with leftist crap would change their minds if they were exposed to truth instead of MSM leftist propaganda.

Would 60% of the people ever accept getting rid of Social Security, Medicare, etc just with being exposed to the truth? No.

How about in the Conservative portion after splitting up the country. Maybe.

Years of handouts have made even conservative-leaning people so accepting of the idea of a Mommy government that change is difficult. In our current country, I'd say its impossible, no matter how much you try to educate people.

52 posted on 04/09/2010 10:58:15 AM PDT by Wissa ("So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."-Padme Amidala)
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To: knarf
This is the most dangerous of questions and should not be considered ... even academicaly.

THEN WHY DID THE FOUNDING FATHERS WRITE WHAT THEY DID IN THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE? Were they fools then? They described & set the terms and conditions for just such an event to happen now did they not? To say Never gives tyranny a foothold and safe refuge. The founding fathers disagreed with you as many throughout our nations history. Just because the first Republican POTUS Trash Canned the Constitution of the United States and tried to disolve states rights does not make it right even today. Indeed many states today are rightfully reclaiming their rights to self govern and It's About Time.

53 posted on 04/09/2010 11:00:10 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Smokin' Joe
If they don't like it, they have a wide assortment of socialist governments to choose from when they emigrate. There is only one USA.

As of right now, the USA is their country just as much as it is ours. Trying to beat them into submission will only prolong the fight.

I'd prefer two USA's (one being an actual Conservative one) to the current situation.

54 posted on 04/09/2010 11:03:36 AM PDT by Wissa ("So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause."-Padme Amidala)
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To: geologist
There is a movement in the immigration ranks that are pushing for parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado? and Texas be given back to Mexico.

There is no end to outrageous ideas. They are not likely to be achieved peacefully or legally. Most will not willingly allow changes that endanger their lives ....... will we?

Oh, wait Health care passed, now we are destroying 1/3 of our nuclear weapons and we are not producing new ones, We have a Muslim president. No one can argue he was raised Muslim (Islam), and defends all things Islam, and criticizes all things Christian.

Maybe we better rethink what is and has occurred. Our freedom and liberty has a menacing black cloud hovering over us called new taxation. We are in a position to have the government take most all our money earned for taxes and to tax us out of our homes, via the EPA and new regulations forcing the cities to tax much more ...

(taxing on rainwater run off. For everyone.

When the states increase taxes,

the city taxes increase,

the school tax increases,

property taxes increase,

gasoline taxes increases,

heating and air conditioning taxes raise substantially,

sales taxes increase, airport taxes increase, transportation taxes raises the price of food,

medical expenses increases,

... income taxes increases,

and social security is cut back,

carbon taxes are levied,

and coming is the UNITED NATIONS tax The United Nations Tax,

The World tax, because we are os rich (it is only fair

Then suddenly everyone will wake up and say " WHAT HAPPENED?"

TOO LATE. FREEDOM LOST IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOVER. ALL SORTS OF CHANGES TO OUR AUTOMOBILES, AND HIGH FEES FOR THOSE NOT COMPLING BY BUYING SMALL HYBRID CARS, CHANGES REQUIRED IN OUR HOMES/WINDOWS, HEATING/ AIR CONDITIONING/ KITCHEN APPLIANCES/ WASHERS/ DRYERS, ETC.

Do not shrug this off ... it is right now on the planning drawing boards and the steps to do this is in process. Implemented quickly. Etc. and ETC.

The amazing thing is ... in Obama's campaign rhetoric: he told us the intentions he had,

TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA,

TO REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH,

TO BUILD HIS OWN NATIONAL DEFENSE CORP AS WELL EQUIPPED AS OUR ARMY,

CAP AND TRADE,

IMMIGRATION AMNESTY,

NO MORE COAL MINING,

NO DRILLING FOR OIL.

WE HAVE MARXIST RADICALS IN CHARGE OF OUR GOVERNMENT.

And that is just for starters. do you have any illusions about what life will be like when our income disappears right before our eyes by taxation?

GET THE VOTE OUR IN OCTOBER AND PRAY, PRAY, PRAY.

God help us in our day, in Jesus name, Amen.

55 posted on 04/09/2010 11:04:22 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Especially large, productive parts?’

Do we have those anymore?

“all the reason the UN would need to impose international peacekeepers on the US, who would be welcomed by the Global Socialists, and who would have no compunctions about killing and looting here.”

Hit the nail on the head there! A split is exactly what our enemies want. There is no way Indiana could defend itself against UN troops or a Mexican “Red Dawn” invasion. Don’t think for a minute they haven’t thought of that!

“If there is to be a fight, it is for all of us, together, to reinstate our Constitutional Republic”

We “free states” must hang together. If California or New York (or whatever) refuse the Constitution then good riddance!

In the (first) Civil War the south did not have the means of production as the north did otherwise it might have turned out different.

Only if the majority of the states agree to reject the Federal Government could there be any victory. The “means of production” we need to be concerned about is the taxes that keep the Fed going. If that were cut off it would fall.


56 posted on 04/09/2010 11:09:38 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (To argue witha person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead)
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To: little jeremiah
The entire country seceding from Wash. DC might be a solution

The Tenth Amendment and original intent are the solution to hammering the Feds back within the bounds of the Constitution, and the budget will provide the incentive, if the loss of freedom has not.

57 posted on 04/09/2010 11:12:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: cva66snipe; All
Fortunately, it seems most everyone is interpreting "split" as "State's Rights".
58 posted on 04/09/2010 11:13:58 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Smokin' Joe
As long as there are men and women who love our Republic in the Armed Forces, they will do their best to retain that credibility--their lives depend on it.

Having served in the U.S. Marines, I am one of them. And my oath was to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. It was not to defend a nation or to take orders from a government that is becoming more and more corrupt and trampling on the very constitution I swore to defnd "against all enemies both foreign and domestic."

Many in the military today feel the same way (but regulations prevent them from speaking out about it). I would guess that approx. 75% of today's military would join the seccessionist states. (If I were still in uniform, I would do so.) It's not about preserving their own livelihoods. It is about preserving freedom and upholding their oaths.
59 posted on 04/09/2010 11:15:52 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: Wissa
As of right now, the USA is their country just as much as it is ours. Trying to beat them into submission will only prolong the fight.

The 'fight' as you put it has been going on for nearly 200 years. Ben Franklin said "A Republic, if we can keep it."

It won't end, and retrenching into a few conservative areas will only give our philosophical enemies all the room they need to regroup and renew their assault. They are Global Socialists, with all that implies, and will not quit until defeated. Period.

The only way to shorten the fight is to give in. I'm not wuitting.

I'd prefer two USA's (one being an actual Conservative one) to the current situation.

There is only one USA, there cannot be two or the 'U' falls off. That was addressed before.

60 posted on 04/09/2010 11:17:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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